1st post and finding my way around in here. I'm researching Shugg families in Cornwall, and at the moment specifically - St Ives.
I am currently working on the family of William Shugg bp. 1804 St Ives and Aurelia Curnow bp. 1802 Ludgvan, who were married 12 Oct 1829 in St Ives, and who emigrated from Bristol on the briganteen, 'Nora Criena', docking 25 Jan 1854 at Geelong, Victoria, Australia. The family moved to Sydney between 1854 & 1864.
My query is related to their children, and I have the following: 1. William Shugg born about 1830, St Ives 2. Jenefer Curnow Shugg bpt. 30 Sep 1832, Ludgvan, 3. John Curnow Shugg bpt. 2 Sep 1835, Ludgvan 4. Mary Anne Shugg bpt. 18 May 1836, and possibly died Sep Qtr 1837, Redruth Dist 5. Hannah Shugg born Jun Qtr 1838, St Ives (Penzance Reg Dist) 6. Amelia Curnow Shugg born June Qtr 1842, St Ives (Penzance Reg Dist)
I'm hoping to find a baptism for 1st born son William. Am unsure whether daughter Mary Anne is part of this family (another researcher insists she is part of this group). Would like to find if there are baptisms for the last 2 daughters Hannah and Amelia. Lastly, as Curnow seems to have been used as a middle name for 3 children, would like to find if it was used for all children in this family.
many thanks to both of you for that info. Gratefully received.
FreeBMD gives Hannah's Birth as the Penzance Reg District, and I suspect I took a liberty thinking it was St Ives... I have a family in Helston who appear to have stopped baptizing half of their children after registration was introduced...
Yes, I've not been able to find the family in the 1851 census either, but thought this might have been my dodgy skills with Census searching.
There is a possibility that this family emigrated prior to 1851 to South Africa, but I had been working on the theory that the family split up and emigrated at different time to the 2 oldest children (as has been the caase with other families I've researched).
2 children married in South Africa. Daughter Jenefer Curnow Shugg married a John Starke (from Norfolk) in Capetown in June 1851, and they settled there and had 14 children. Son William married an Elizabeth Gray, in June 1852 in Capetown, and they began their family in Sydney in 1855. I have been unable to find any shipping/passenger list entry into Australia (Sth Australia, Victoria, or NSW) for William & Elizabeth, under any form of spelling for Shugg) for William and his wife Elizabeth. A bit stumped on that one, and sick of pumping crazy spelling variations into search engines. They can't have come into Victoria with the family, as there were a total of 11 passengers on the Nora Creina.
Parents William and Aurelia, and children Amelia, Anna (Hannah) 7 John arrived through Geelong, Victoria in 1854. Looking again, it was an "unassisted passage". So, it may well have been broken by perhaps 4 years in Sth Africa working. I've tried looking for shipping records into Capetown and Sth Africa online, but there seem to be few transcribed records for the main Cape port.
But, it's now looking like the family has emigrated to SA, and then travelled onto Australia.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 24, 2009 4:24:51 GMT -5
Rowena - that makes a lot more sense now.
They were certainly not in England in 1851 and I have also checked Wales with no result.
And I did not stop at variations of the surname either! I tried searching on christian names with a birth year and birthplace and also, with Amelia/Aurelia, tried searching for anyone of that name born in Cornwall from 1842-1844.
Given Jenefer would have been only about 19 when she married in 1851 might suggest that she was less likely to have emigrated on her own or possibly even with her brother.
And the fact she married a Norfolk man also lends support to the probability she had been in South Africa for more than a brief time.
Son William is a little interesting. His parents arrived in Geelong in 1854 so why should he be in Sydney in 1855? And I notice his next child does not seem to appear until 1862.
Coincidentally John C Shugg (presumably his brother) begins having children in NSW in 1862.
Hmm - I see that John Curnow Shugg was married twice!
1856 - married Anne O'Connor at Sydney 1859 - married Elizabeth Morgan at Sydney
Yet the first child that I can find is not until 1862.
Amelia and Hannah married in Sydney in 1862 and 1864 respectively.
It begins to look like William and his family may have almost immediately headed for Sydney after landing at Geelong.
That's my offering for the moment but I would still like to know if you have any further information on that baptism for Mary Ann in 1836?
I've emailed the person who provided the Mary Anne baptism date, for more information and their source.
A number of the men in this family were married twice.
Father William Shugg was bapt. 26 Aug 1804 St Ives. His parents were William Jarvis Shugg bapt. 6 Jan 1783, St Ives, and Hannah Freeman bapt. 19 Nov 1780, St Ives. William 1804 married Aurelia Curnow 12 Oct 1829, St Ives. Her parents were John Curnow and Jenefer Chelew/Chellew. Aurelia (perhaps known as Amelia) died in 1854, Glebe, Sydney, New South Wales (NSW). William remarried Abigail (or Margaret) Appleton, 1866 in Sydney, NSW.
Son, William Shugg bpt 7 Nov 1830 St Ives, married Elizabeth Gray 28 June 1852, St John’s Church, Wynberg, Cape Province, South Africa. She was born c.1832 to parents John and Margaret Gray, in either the UK or South Africa. Elizabeth died in 1875, Waterloo, Sydney, NSW.
Children of William Shugg and Elizabeth Gray: 1. Charles Walter Shugg born 1855, Sydney, NSW, Australia 2. Edward Shugg born circa 1858, NSW, and died 5 Nov 1883, Alexandria, Sydney, NSW. He was unmarried. 3. Mary Gray Shugg born 1860, Sydney, NSW 4. William H. Shugg born 1862, Sydney, NSW, and died 1863, Sydney, NSW 5. Aurelia Shugg born 1865, Redfern, Sydney, NSW
William 1830 remarried Sarah Folkard. She was born c.1838, in NSW to parents John Folkard and Mary Ann/Marion Garrard. Sarah married William in 1876, Sydney, NSW. William was a mason like his father. He died 1879 Waterloo, Sydney, and Sarah died in 1904, in Ryde, Sydney, NSW.
Brother John Curnow Shugg bapt 2 Sep 1835, Ludgvan, married Anne O’Connor born c. 1835, UK. Married in 1856, Sydney, NSW. She died 1858, Mudgee, NSW.
John remarried Elizabeth Ann Morgan born c. 1839, UK. They married in 1859, Sydney, NSW, Australia. She emigrated age 17 on the ship Scotia, arriving NSW in 1854. On 22 June 1867 she is listed as being admitted to the Sydney Benevolent Asylum at age 28, with her children Emma 6, Annie Amelia 3, and Edwin John 6 months. The 2 youngest children died there. Elizabeth and Emma were discharged on 14 Nov 1867. The Sydney Benevolent Asylum looked after destitute people who could not care for their children. Unclear whether John was away working or whether he had left his family for a period of time. Elizabeth died in 1894, in Ryde, Sydney, NSW. John died 1897 Ryde, Sydney, NSW.
Children of John Curnow Shugg and Elizabeth Morgan: 1. Emma Shugg born 1860, Muswellbrook, New South Wales, Australia 2. Agnes M. Shugg born 1862, Cassilis, NSW, and died 1864, Glebe, Sydney 3. Annie Amelia Shugg, born 1864, Glebe, Sydney, and died, 6 Nov 1867, Sydney Benevolent Asylum, Sydney, NSW 4. Edwin John Shugg, born 1867, Glebe, Sydney, and died 12 Oct 1867, Sydney Benevolent Asylum, Sydney, NSW 5. Alfred John Shugg born 1869, Glebe, Sydney, NSW. 6. Margaret Elizabeth C. Shugg, born 1871, Sydney, NSW 7. William Arthur Curnow Shugg, born 1873, Sydney, NSW 8. Clara Gertrude Shugg, born 1877, Sydney, NSW
And what happened to the daughters of William Shugg and Aurelia Curnow?
Jenefer Curnow Shugg bpt. 30 Sep 1832, Ludgvan married John Starke on 9 June 1851, at the Wesleyan Chapel, Capetown, Cape Province, Sth Africa. He was bapt. 13 Apr 1823, Little Ellingham, Norfolk. His parents were Isaac Starke 1788-1859, Little Ellingham, Norfolk, and Lydia Machen bapt.1794, Sheffield, Yorkshire -1825 Little Ellingham, Norfolk. John died age 75, 8 Sep 1898, at home at Selhurst, Observatory Rd, Capetown, Cape Province, South Africa. (They lived on a road leading up table Mountain). They had a family of 14 children between 1852 and 1878 (I have their details if interested). John was a farmer. Jenefer (often spelt Janefer) died 30 May 1911, at Selhurst, on Observatory Rd, Capetown.
Hannah Shugg born Jun Qtr 1838, St Ives (Penzance Reg District). She died 1912, Redfern Sydney, NSW. Hannah married Christopher Selby in 1864, Sydney, NSW. He was born 1844, in NSW, to parents Daniel Selby and Mary McDonogh (McDonough?), who married in 1840, in NSW. He died 1922, Redfern, Sydney, NSW.
Amelia1 Curnow Shugg born June Qtr 1842, St Ives (Penzance Reg District). Amelia married Ebeney Sydney Dent in 1862, in Sydney, NSW. Ebenezer (Ebeney) Sydney Dent was born 1844, in New South Wales to parents George Dent and Eliza E. Harding, who were married in 1836 in NSW. Cannot find records of children or death, may have moved interstate or overseas.
I've gone down 5 generations in a couple of cases with this family. (My obsessive recent project which seems to have been about avoiding doing my superranuation paperwork!)
I'd love to find the shipping for this family, but have searched and searched, with many Shugg spellings. Sometimes, it's just time to move away for a while, and give it a rest.
Amy, I sent an email with my email address to you, but wondering if you got it? I sent it through the members section. I think my email is available under my members entry, but if not let me know and I'll try again. Happy to share info. I've just put together a word doc generation list, and believe it to be pretty accurate, still searching for some finer details - but aren't we all...
Thanks CT. I'm on a concerted "campaign" to unravel those Shugg families, so would be very interested to cross-check with what you have. Yes, I've been trying to put find Judith's parents for a while. I have her birth as c.1756, from the burial for her, died at age 81, buried 17 Feb 1837. That would place her marriage age as 25, which seems about average back then. Her sons names were all normally occurring in the Shugg families for generations - except for Robert. I think that name is a clue.
With regard to Sth Africa - I find it quite hard to find my way around. Occasionally out of sheer frustration, or late night curiosity, I'll Google a name and see what happens. I've turned up some trees and great connections doing that. I did this with Jenefer Curnow Shugg, and in about the 3rd page was a family tree, with pretty good detail. From that it was clear she had married and lived close into Capetown. I started wondering if perhaps her brother had travelled with her and married there, so sent an email into the Rootsweb Cornish-Gen list about them, and asking to be pointed in the right direction with shipping. Someone suggested I join the Rootsweb-Eastern Cape List. With my first posting, a lady replied and sent me the marriage records for Jenefer and brother William and a death record for Jenefer's husband. I made contact with the Jenefer Curnow Shugg tree, and they were really pleased to have copies of the records. So, for me, that worked out really smoothly. I try to think a bit laterally, and sometimes it works.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 25, 2009 2:27:15 GMT -5
Rowena - thankyou for the information. I was subscribed to a couple of lists in South Africa but now not sure of the details, links, passwords etc. My old PC died some time ago and I had to build a new one so a bit of stuff got lost or misplaced along the way. But I had made some progress with a couple of the families with the rest being in areas not covered by the lists I was with.
Will try again.
I pieced the Shugg family together from the St Ives records and the Census mostly so it is, I think, quite accurate although certificates would provide added proof.
Judith Quick is the main concern for me as the Quick family has been a large ongoing project for quite some time.
She 'should' belong to the family/descendants of Gabriel Quick and Mary Phillips who married at Gwennap in 1674 as that is the only Cornish family where the name has appeared.
The answer to this problem will probably elude us for some time yet.
Thanks for the links which I will take a look at tonight.
Yes, absolutely the Mary Anne Shuug who died age 16 was the child of Samuel Shugg and Sarah (Sally) James Nicholas. Clever of me to have missed that! I've emailed my Shugg contact with regard to changing his typing error.
I'm wanting to check a couple of baptisms, to parents William Jarvis Shugg and Hannah Freeman.
My dubious children are: Elizabeth Shugg bapt. 10 Mar 1815, St Ives. There is a son Richard Freeman Shugg who is baptised 28 March 1815 St IVes, and this seems too close. I think Elizabeth belongs to another family. There is also a James born or Bapt in May 1820, St Ives. Is there a more specific d for him?
Many Thanks CT. Got another one! I'm wanting to find a baptism for Humphrey Couch c.1814, St Ives.
Humphry Mackworth Praed Couch. Born circa 1814. Married Sally Shugg on 25 August 1839 in St Ives. He died age 62, on 12 September 1875, St Ives. 1851 C. age 38. 1861 C. age 47, fisherman, residence: Near beach, St Ives. 1871 C. age 54, residence: Fore St, St Ives. Their children were: Humphrey Mackworth Praed Couch b. Jun Qtr 1840; John Shugg Couch b. Dec Qtr 1846; and Mary Ann Shugg Couch b. Sep Qtr 1849. Sally Shugg was the 1st child of Samuel Shugg and Sarah Nicholas, bpt 1818, St Ives. But her husband is a mystery! Rowena