I have an elusive Edwin William Dumble who married Catherine Shugg, 5 March 1818, St Ives. I'm wondering if anyone may have done some research on Dumble families within the area and can add any further information?
1841 census residence: St Ives Father William Dumble, 40, born White S. Cornwall. Mother Sarah, 40, b. Corn. Children: Catherine 13, b.Corn: Edwin 10, b. outside Census County; Horatio 7, b. outside Census county; Sarah 2 b. Corn.
Found a marriage for William Dumble and Sarah Davey on 29 July 1818, Morval, Cornwall. He was a blacksmith (son's marriage record)
1851 Census gives Horatio's birthpalce as Guernsey, and 1851 & 61 C. give Edwin's birth place as Jersey. I've not got very far trying to confirm this, or find baptisms. I joined the Rootsweb mail list for the Channel Islands, but didn't get any response to my query. Thought I would post on the off-chance someone knew something...
Many thanks for your time, both in reading this, and in any digging that is done. Hopeful.... aren't I? Cheers, Rowena
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 23, 2009 23:45:04 GMT -5
Rowena - this marriage from St Ives might give a little clue to the identity of Sarah Dumble.
28 Oct 1860 by Licence Samuel James 22 bachelor Schoolmaster of St. Ives (Father: Samuel James, Game keeper) Sarah Veale Dumble 21 spinster of St. Ives (Father: William Dumble, White smith) Witnesses: Wm. Dumble, Thomas Williams
Yes, I'm in agreement with you that the Morval marriage is not correct. Pretty clever of me to have missed the Helston birth place of William. I checked the 1861 C, and he and his wife's details are consistent. If she was born in Lancells, Devon, then perhaps they were married there. So, I think I'll email the rootsweb lists I'm a member of, to see if anyone can check on their marriage. Recently joined the Devon list, because I had a few loose ends, and here's another one...
Another new query re Shugg. I'd like to confirm that what I have below is correct, if someone has some time to search for me. Any further detail would be appreciated.
Judith Shugg baptism: 3 July 1803 St Ives, Cornwall, to parents Thomas Jervis Shugg and Judith Quick. She died at age 34, buried 25 April 1837, St Ives, Cornwall. Married Malachi Hingston born 5 Nov 1803 in St Ives, Cornwall, and Baptism: 11 Feb 1806 St Ives, Sion Chapel-Lady Huntingdon. His parents were Malachi Hingston (or Hingiston) born 1765, St Ives, and Sarah Stevens born 1762, St Ives. malachi nad Judith married: 12 Nov 1826, St Ives, Cornwall, England. He died Oct - Dec 1861, Penzance Registration District.
Children of Judith Shugg and Malachi Hingston: 5. Catherine Stevens Hingston born 1827, married James Harry (b.1823) on 2 Sep 1848, St Ives. He died in 1855. 5. Sarah Hingston born 1832 in St Ives. Residence: 1841 Census, she is listed as a servant to her Uncle Robert Shugg. Listed as niece in the 1861 C. living with uncle Robert Shugg and aunt Philippa. Sarah had an illegitimate son, Thomas Hingston born on 28 April 1859, St Ives, and he married a Caroline Woodley. Thomas died in 1930, in Plymouth.
Thanks to Newlyn for the message re the Hingston web site and I notice there is a one-name study for Hingston as well. For anyone following this track. The address below is for the Hingston - St Ives family line. Looks quite detailed however minimal (that's zilch) research on anyone who married into the family. Private research compiled, no sources given. Hope this doesn't break some kind of Penwith protocol....
I'd like to cross check and confirm the Shugg research below. There are a couple of connections to a Stevens family or families. Stevens being a common name, I didn't know where to start... and hoped someone may already have relevant research.
Thomas Shugg bpt. 11 Oct 1818 (parents Thomas Jervis Shugg & Blanch Hosking) married Elizabeth 'Betsy' Bryant who was bpt. 26 Jan 1821, St Ives, parents Thomas Bryant & Ann (this is an IGI member submitted record & I'd like to confirm if possible). Thomas Shugg & Betsy Bryant married on 20 April 1843, St Ives. Their children were: 1. Thomas born Apr-Jun 1843, St Ives (emig to Oz. & married Jane Ball); 2. Blanch Shugg, born Oct-Dec 1844 St. Ives (married Richard Bottrell Jan-Mar 1868, Penzance Reg. Dist); 3. William Bryant Shugg, born Apr-June 1846 St. Ives; 4. Charles Shugg, born Oct-Dec 1850 St. Ives (emig to Oz & then NZ) Married a Mary Jane Stevens in 1879, Auckland, NZ. Met on the ship to NZ. She was born c.1861, parents Thomas Stevens & Mary Linskett; 5. Eliza Ann Shugg born Jan-Mar 1853 St Ives (could'nt find a marriage. reputed cook for Queen Victoria).
Wanting to confirm William Bryant Shugg and his descendants. He married Mary Stevens (born ?) Jul-Sep 1870, Penzance Reg. Dist. Their children were: 1. Mary Stevens Shugg born Oct-Dec 1874, Penzance Reg. Dist. (married Samuel Kemp by Banns, on 7 Feb 1897, St Ives). 2. Eliza Thomas Shugg born 23 Apr 1887 & bpt. 25 Apr 1890, St Ives (couldn't find a marriage or death). 3. Bryant Shugg born 18 Nov 1889 & bpt. 25 Apr 1890, St Ives. (He is listed under Bryant Shugg, entering the USA through Ellis Island, New York at age 19, in 1909 residence; St Hesform?, England) Died in Michigan USA 1971.
Looks like William Bryant Shugg married again to Jane Stevens (born?) Apr-June 1892, Penzance reg. Dist. Their children were: 1. William Bryant Stevens Shugg, born Apr-Jun 1913, Penzance Reg District. 2. Maurice George Shugg born Jan-Mar 1901, Newton Abbot Reg Dist., Devon. Lived in Mevagissey & Oz, & returned to Cornwall, marrying late in life to a Janet. 3. Janet (Nettie) Shugg born Jul-Sep 1907, Penzance Reg. District. Married William James Paynter Uren, emigrated to West Australia. 4. Mary Stevens Shugg born Jul-Sep 1909, Penzance Reg. District.
Once again, thank you for your time and effort in any research done. Kind regards, Rowena
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 9, 2009 7:17:55 GMT -5
Thomas Shugg bpt. 11 Oct 1818 (parents Thomas Jervis Shugg & Blanch Hosking) married Elizabeth 'Betsy' Bryant who was bpt. 26 Jan 1821, St Ives, parents Thomas Bryant & Ann (this is an IGI member submitted record & I'd like to confirm if possible).
Rowena - the baptism for Betsy is correct as per the CFHS baptisms and she was baptised as 'Betsy'.
IGI shows the marriage for her parents although it does not appear in the transcript I usually work from which I know has other marriages missing.
However it does appear in what I believe to be a CFHS marriage index that I obtained some years ago:-
Thomas BRYANT married Ann JENNINGS 26th June 1819 at Lelant
Determing other children from this marriage might be difficult as there was another Thomas Bryant married in 1827 at St Ives to Ann Jacobs.
However from the 1841 Census it appears Thomas Bryant was born sometime between 1796 and 1801.
He also used the name 'Major' in naming two of his daughters - Catherine Major Bryant and Margaret Major Bryant.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 9, 2009 8:23:04 GMT -5
Their children were: 1. Thomas born Apr-Jun 1843, St Ives (emig to Oz. & married Jane Ball); 2. Blanch Shugg, born Oct-Dec 1844 St. Ives (married Richard Bottrell Jan-Mar 1868, Penzance Reg. Dist); 3. William Bryant Shugg, born Apr-June 1846 St. Ives; 4. Charles Shugg, born Oct-Dec 1850 St. Ives (emig to Oz & then NZ) Married a Mary Jane Stevens in 1879, Auckland, NZ. Met on the ship to NZ. She was born c.1861, parents Thomas Stevens & Mary Linskett; 5. Eliza Ann Shugg born Jan-Mar 1853 St Ives (could'nt find a marriage. reputed cook for Queen Victoria).
I don't have any further detail on births/baptisms for any of these and I had not pursued marriages.
But here is the marriage for the parents of Mary Jane Stevens:-
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LINSKIT Mary Penzance 5c 501 STEVENS Thomas Penzance 5c 501
So at least we know she was probably born in Cornwall.
This marriage was not at St Ives and I have not had time to put any work into finding just where it might have been in the Penzance area.
And this is probably the birth being the only one for that name between 1859 and 1862 in the Penzance R.D.:-
Something that may be useful - I just had a look at IGI for baptisms for Mary Linskit and found that there are only four entries for the name in Cornwall.
All are at Ludgvan - 1759, 1763, 1799 and 1830 with the latter most likely to be the mother of Mary Jane.
Mary d/o John and Margaret Linskitt bp. 21st November 1830 at Ludgvan
John LINSKET married Margaret CHELEW 4th June 1825 at Ludgvan
That would suggest the marriage of Thomas Stevens may have occurred at Ludgvan.
The 1861 Census adds more.
1861 Ludgvan Manwinnion
Thomas STEVENS, head, mar., 28, tin miner, Madron Mary do., wife, mar., 28, Ludgvan Thomas H do., son, 4, Ludgvan James do., son, 2, Ludgvan Mary do., daur., 1 month, Ludgvan Margaret LINSKET, widow, 62, nurse, Ludgvan
Mary Jane Stevens d/o Thomas and Mary baptised 19th May 1861 at Ludgvan