OK, after relaxing for a while before coming back to this, I know one thing for certain: James Quick b. 1813 was a 2nd cousin once removed to his wife Elizabeth.
When he married Elizabeth Stevens in 1807 Robert QUICK was 'of St Ives'. No occupation stated.
Another thing nagging at me. - I show Elizabeth STEVENS as bp. 12th November 1775 at Gulval d/o Richard and Elizabeth (she was also STEVENS) who were married at Zennor 13th August 1767.
Richard was 'of Gulval' and what is nagging and annoying me is that I have reference to his 1824 Will but do not know if I have a copy or just exactly where it would be at the moment.
His wife Elizabeth was supposedly born at Breage d/o George and Ann Stevens
CT, will be interested to see what caused you to pick this match up for the family of Elizabeth Stevens/Stephens.
I went down a different path. Elizabeth Stephens married Robert Quick at Zennor in 1807. Elizabeth was "of the parish" and Robert was of St. Ives.
Elizabeth first: Because she was of Zennor, it seemed likely that she was born there. There are four reasonable possibilities:
ELISABETH STEVENS Christening: 29 JUN 1767 Zennor of Nicholas Stevens & Prudence ELISABETH STEVENS Christening: 23 JUN 1772 Zennor of David Stevens ELISABETH STEVENS Christening: 16 MAY 1773 Zennor of William Stevens ELIZABETH STEPHENS Christening: 19 DEC 1779 Zennor of David Stephens & Ann
Similar to the parents you selected, none of these options is clearly apparent since none of the father's names are used in the children of Robert & Elizabeth.
Partly because of her age (matching census records), partly because she was having children in 1817 (better she was late 30's rather than 40+) and partly because her mother was Ann, I had decided on the Elizabeth Stephens christened 1779 as the wife of Robert.
As to Robert: We know he was born in Towednack, but unlike most of his siblings we find that byt the time of his marriage at about 30 he is living in St. Ives, and apparently had been there for some time (years) to be "of St. Ives" at the time of his marriage.
Although originally from a farming district, living in town means that he was not necessarily following farming as a career. So what career was he following? Despite my earlier doubts it would seem that Robert (like his namesake and future in-law) was indeed a joiner.
We seem agreed that Paul and Ann/Nanny are the children of Robert & Elizabeth (Stevens) Quick.
I have just double checked, and Ann/Nanny's baptism (like younger sister Wilmot) gives her father's occupation as Joiner.
So despite the improbability that we would have two Robert Quicks of almost identical age, both marrying Elizabeths, both having children in St. Ives at the same time, and both being joiners, the records would say differently.
The explanation as to why James & Elizabeth married may be no more complicated than their fathers knew each other because they were in the same trade (as well as being cousins) - indeed the two Roberts may even have worked together.
Elizabeth Thomas bp. 1st April 1804 Robert bp. 25th October 1805 - bu. 30th December 1806 Thomas bp. 15th August 1806 Robert bp. 24th June 1808 Mary bp. 6th April 1810 James bp. 8th March 1813
STEVENS m. 3rd January 1807
Robert bp. 20th December 1807 Paul bp. 19th November 1809 Elizabeth bp. 29th November 1812 Ann bp. 26th May 1815 Wilmot bp. 9th February 1817 - bu. 13th March 1822
CT, Reviewing these families with a fresh mind, I agree with your match up of the Quick/Trennery and Quick/Stevens children. Your arguments posted above are along the same lines as those I was having with myself.
I also agree with the parentage of the two Robert Quicks as you outlined above.
I might add that (although it is not a rule that you can consistently apply) because breast feeding tends to lower the chance of a woman becoming pregnant it is not uncommon to see an average two year gap in births in families. On that basis and together with the reasonable likelyhood of a birth within a year of marriage, I concur with the placement of the Roberts.
This Mary (d/o Robert and Elizabeth nee TRENERRY) married Arthur ROSEWALL at St Ives
GANDOLF - Just for You !
Arthur was the son of John and Catherine (nee QUICK) ROSEWALL
Amongst his siblings were brothers George and James.
George married Mary QUICK 1st November 1830 at St Ives
(Not sure yet but she looks like being the daughter of James and Susanna (LEE) QUICK)
James married Catherine QUICK 28th April 1851 at St Ives (d/o Andrew and Elizabeth (STEVENS) QUICK
Well this leaves me with a little problem. I have been so busy trying to sort out the Quick descendants of Andrew Rosewall (1640-1680) that I haven't really done anything yet on Andrew's two sibllings.
All I have at the moment is Andrew's brother James (born 1654) with no further information. Presumably when I get a chance to look into it further he will turn out to be the ancestor of John Rosewall and his son Arthur?
As for the Quick connection, at the moment have no clues as it doesn't seem to match anything I have at the moment.
I like the version of one Robert (Tren) still alive at the 1841 and 1851 census and the widow of Robert (Stev) alive and living down the road.
There were a couple of interesting things that I noted yesterday while I was searching around. First the 1841 census asks the person where they spent the preceding night. Whether they actually did or not is another matter.
Secondly Robert bap 27/2/1776, the son of Robert and Anne Mitchell, was baptised the same day that his brother of the same name was buried - weird eh?
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 17, 2008 3:15:40 GMT -5
Okay fellas - I am about to start working on a theory I formed a couple of hours ago after looking at the Census records for 'uncle' Sampson Noale.
In 1851 and again in 1861 Sampson (1861 Sampson T) is enumerated at the home of Arthur and Mary ROSEWALL and in both cases he is recorded as 'unmarried' and 'uncle'.
In 1841 he appears to be in the same household as Elizabeth QUICK, 60, and Ann QUICK, 25.
Will work from there and let you know how I fare.
GANDOLF - regarding Elizabeth STEVENS.
I think in one of my recent notes on this subject I referred to the 1824/5 Will of Richard STEVENS of Gulval.
I have to make a thorough search to see if I can find the details of that Will but I am thinking that the connection of Elizabeth to Robert QUICK may well have come from that particular Will.
That's all I can tell you about that at the moment.
As for your selection of four possibilities from Zennor:-
ELISABETH STEVENS Christening: 29 JUN 1767 Zennor of Nicholas Stevens & Prudence
About ten years too early based on Census records and would have been 40 or 41 when she married Robert QUICK - Strike 1.
ELISABETH STEVENS Christening: 23 JUN 1772 Zennor of David Stevens
Baptised privately and buried at Zennor 5th July 1772. BTW this was the David who married Ann ROWE. - Strike 2.
ELISABETH STEVENS Christening: 16 MAY 1773 Zennor of William Stevens
Buried at Zennor 25th November 1775, 'infant'. - Strike 3.
ELIZABETH STEPHENS Christening: 19 DEC 1779 Zennor of David Stephens & Ann
I believe she married William DAVY at Zennor 19th March 1808. Amongst the children was David Stevens DAVY bp. 10th May 1818 at Zennor. - Strike 4.
I think that means OUT! ;D
So despite the improbability that we would have two Robert Quicks of almost identical age, both marrying Elizabeths, both having children in St. Ives at the same time, and both being joiners, the records would say differently
Not a whole lot different to a problem I spent a lot of time sorting out a couple of weeks ago.
Richard EDDY born about 1785 Zennor married 8th December 1813 at Zennor Elizabeth SEMMENS
Richard EDDY bp. 9th March 1783 at Zennor married 18th November 1814 at Zennor Elizabeth THOMAS
Both farmers at Zennor and both having children (with some of the usual similar names) at the same time at Zennor - 8 to one family and 11 to the other.
And then there is Robert QUICK who married Catherine STEVENS at Zennor in 1828.
His eldest son, John, was a carpenter - albeit a little later.
Time for me to begin my investigations.
BTW Gandolf - this might determine the identity of the John ROSEWALL involved.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 17, 2008 9:19:47 GMT -5
Having duly grazed it is time to begin outlining the results of my more recent studies into this current problem.
And it would appear now that Sampson Thomas NOALL may hold the key to answering a few of the questions that have either already arisen or can be found lurking in previous notes.
The first problem with Sampson is that his age as it appears in the 1851 and 1861 Census is consistent with a birth of about 1791 or 1792. And even his age of 45 in the 1841 Census would indicate this as a fair deduction.
However, there is no record that I can find of a Sampson NOALL before 1800 when Sampson Thomas NOALL s/o Richard and Mary was baptised at St Ives.
This is the second time I have discovered that I could not find a baptism at St Ives (or anywhere else for that matter) for a child named Sampson around the early 1790's. - Coincidence?
It now appears that there may be quite a number of baptisms missing for that period at St Ives.
QUESTION - was sampson baptised soon after he was born?
I now think not!
He was the son of Richad NOALL who had married Mary (nee THOMAS) widow of Robert QUICK at St Ives in 1783.
There are only three known children to Richard and Mary - Richard bp. 1785, Ann bp. 1788 and then Sampson bp. 1800!!
A rather large gap which leads me to the conclusion that Sampson was actually about 8 or 9 years old when baptised. And there is no further record for a Sampson who would have been born about 1800.
ANOTHER interesting item I have only just found to add to this discussion:-
Ann d/o Robert and MARY QUICK baptised 8th December 1811 at St Ives
This entry is about to become integral to the discussion.
The curious thing about this entry is that there is NO record of any further children to this couple AND there is no record of a marriage for Robert QUICK to Mary apart from the 1774 marriage to Mary THOMAS!
My opinion is that this is another error and that the mother is actually ELIZABETH.
And now to the main discussion.
Sampson Thomas NOALL died in 1863.
1841 Census - Gabriel Street, St Ives
Sampson NOALL, 45, joiner Elizabeth QUICK, 60 Ann QUICK, 25
Initially I had two possibilities for the identity of Elizabeth and Ann QUICK but now there are three:-
Anna Maria bp. 9th August 1816 at St Ives d/o William and Elizabeth (nee CURNOW). William ws buried at St Ives 24th May 1829 and was the son of Richard and Honour (nee JENKYN) QUICK.
I am sure Lannanta will view that information with interest.
Ann bp. 26th May 1815 d/o Robert (joiner) and Elizabeth QUICK
'A' Robert QUICK was buried at St Ives 17th February 1822 age 45
Ann bp. 8th December 1811 d/o Robert and Mary (now believed to be Elizabeth) QUICK
Before proceeding here are some more 1841 Census entries of interest:-
1841 Census - Glovers Street, St Ives
Elizabeth QUICK, 65, independant Anna do., 25
This will be the widow of William QUICK and I believe has nothing to do with the scenario EXCEPT that William was the son of Richard and Honour.
1841 Census - Fore Street, St Ives
Eizabeth QUICK, 60 Paul do., 30, white smith Nanny do., 25, dressmaker
1841 Census - Fore Street, St Ives
Thomas TREVAN (TREVORROW), 35, miner Mary do., 30 children Mary TREVORROW, 70 Robert QUICK, 65, joiner
I believe that Sampson NOALL is related to Elizabeth QUICK and the initial subject of this thread was the identities of the wives (both Elizabeth) of two separate Robert QUICKs.
Initially we had but ONE Ann as a daughter of Robert and Elizabeth and she was baptised in 1815.
But from the Census entries above it is clear now that there must have been a second and that each family had a daughter of that name.
Hence the importance of the 1811 entry with Mary recorded as the mother's name.
Here now are entries from the 1851, 1861 and 1871 Census that are important to the discussion and also to my conclusions which will follow.
1851 Census - Gabriel Street, St Ives
Arthur ROSEWALL, head, mar, 44, shipwright, St Ives Mary do., wife, mar., 41, St Ives Arthur do., son, unm., 11, scholar, St Ives M Q do., daur, 9, scholar, St Ives S. T. N. do., son, 11 mths, scholar, St Ives Sampson NOAL, uncle, unm., 59, joiner, St Ives
1861 Census - Gabriel Street, St Ives Arthur ROSEWALL, head, mar., 53, shipwright, St Ives Mary Q do., wife, mar., 51, St Ives Arthur do., son, unm., 21, shipwright, St Ives Mary Q do., daur, unm., 19, St Ives Sampson do., son, 11, St Ives Sampson T NOALL, uncle, 69, retired carpenter, St Ives
1871 Census - Gabriel Street, St Ives
Arthur ROSEWALL, head, mar., 63, ship carpenter, St Ives Mary do., wife, mar., 61, St Ives Mary Q do., daur, unm., 29, St Ives Sampson T do., son, unm., 20, school assistant, St Ives
What was Sampson NOALL's relationship to Elizabeth and Ann QUICK?
What was Sampson NOALL's relationship to Arthur ROSEWALL and his family?
Arthur ROSEWALL married Mary QUICK at St Ives 22nd September 1833
Mary QUICK was bp. 6th April 1810 at St Ives d/o Robert and Elizabeth QUICK
The two families of Robert and Elizabeth QUICK that are involved here:-
Robert QUICK married Elizabeth TRENERRY 17th February 1803 at St Ives
Robert QUICK married Elizabeth STEVENS 3rd January 1807 at St Ives
Discussion about the children of these two families took place in previous postings and it seemed that Gandolf, Lannanta and myself were in 'reasonable' agreeance on the outcome of those discussions.
BUT I now have reason to question some of my own outcomes.
1. As mentioned above - the relationhship of Sampson NOALL 2. Which Elizabeth married which Robert QUICK. 3. Which Robert QUICK was buried in 1822. 4. Exactly which children belong to which family.
In regards to 3. - the answer to this will determine which Robert was living at Fore Street in 1841 and was therefore the Robert QUICK buried at St Ives in 1855.
Once again I will list the children involved (including the 'new' Ann) after which I will close this note and continue in another.
All children baptised at St Ives:-
01 Apr 1804 - Elizabeth Thomas 25 Oct 1805 - Robert 15 Aug 1806 - Thomas 20 Dec 1807 - Robert 24 Jun 1808 - Robert 19 Nov 1809 - Paul 06 Apr 1810 - Mary 08 Dec 1811 - Ann (d/o Robert and Mary) 29 Nov 1812 - Elizabeth 08 Mar 1813 - James 26 May 1815 - Ann 09 Feb 1817 - Wilmot
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 17, 2008 10:42:15 GMT -5
It is now apparent that the wives of both Robert QUICKs were still alive in 1841 which means that the surviving Robert was, for some reason, not at home at the time of the 1841 Census.
Identity of Sampson Thomas NOALL.
I now believe that Sampson must have been baptised at the age of 8 or 9.
Although baptised in 1800 he was born about 1791 or 1792 and was the son of Richard NOALL and Mary (nee THOMAS) widow of Robert QUICK.
Robert was baptised at St Ives in 1751 and was the son of James QUICK and Mary (nee CURNOW) whose other children included William (mentioned earlier and married Elizabeth CURNOW) and Andrew who had married Mary MAJOR at St Ives in 1764.
Amongst the children of Andrew and Mary QUICK was daughter Catherine.
John ROSEWALL married Catherine QUICK 30th June 1790 at St Ives and amongst their children was:-
Arthur ROSEWALL bp. 24th February 1807 at St Ives married 22nd September 1833 at St Ives Mary QUICK bp. 6th April 1810 at St Ives d/o Robert and Elizabeth
It was with Arthur and Mary ROSEWALL that Sampson Thomas NOALL was living in 1851 and 1861 as 'uncle'.
Robert QUICK married Mary THOMAS at St Hilary 13th July 1774 and had four children before his death in 1780. (Buried at St Ives 24th January 1780.)
Mary bp. 30th July 1775 ROBERT bp. 3rd February 1777 Elizabeth bp. 1st February 1779 James bp. 1st August 1779
Richard NOALL married Mary QUICK, widow, at St Ives 31st August 1783 and had the following children:-
Richard bp. 7th February 1785 Ann bp. 27th September 1788 Sampson Thomas bp. 30th April 1800 (born about 1791/2)
Sampson Thomas NOALL therefore had two possible connections here:-
1. He was a half-brother to ROBERT QUICK 2. He was a cousin to Catherine QUICK who married John ROSEWALL
He 'could' rather vaguely be described as an 'uncle' to Arthur and Mary ROSEWALL via the connection to Catherine but I think that may be just a little tenuous. ;D
I therefore think it much more likely that he was the 'uncle' of Mary QUICK, daughter of his half-brother Robert.
SO - which Elizabeth did this particular Robert QUICK marry?
Well, I do believe I have just found some information that will CONFIRM that he married Elizabeth TRENERRY! ;D
Of the list of children provided at the end of my last note there are three who 'must' belong to the 1803 marriage to Elizabeth TRENERRY:-
Elizabeth Thomas bp. 1804 Robert bp. 1805 THOMAS bp. 1806
Thomas QUICK married Eizabeth MARTINS at Ludgvan 28th September 1828 and amongst his children was:-
Sampson Noale QUICK bp. 25th February 1844 at Ludgvan
To recreate an earlier excercise I will now group the children again using the mother's maiden name following my reasons for their placement:-
Elizabeth Thomas, Robert and Thomas as already described.
For a slightly different reason then before Mary must belong to TRENERRY as it explains the relationship to Sampson Thomas NOALL.
Elizabeth must belong to STEVENS as TRENERRY had a surviving daughter named Elizabeth.
James married Elzabeth QUICK and therefore must belong to TRENERRY.
Paul and Nanny (from the 1841 Census) are siblings. Paul must belong to STEVENS because he was baptised only four months before Mary (could happen with a late baptism of course). And Paul is also the name of a brother to the Robert who married Elizabeth STEVENS. The other Robert did have an uncle named PAUL but he had died prior to Robert's birth so may probably be discounted. The problem now is that we now have two Anns so which one goes with Paul?
The answer to that lies with this marriage:-
Ann d/o Robert QUICK married John MADDERN 14th July 1842 at St Ives - Witness:- SAMPSON NOALL
I have checked the later Census and Ann's age equates to a birth about 1814 or 1815 so the 'newly found' Ann bp. 1811 belongs to STEVENS.
Of the remaining children we have Robert (1807), Robert (1808) and Wilmot (1817).
Robert bp. 1807 is more likely to belong to STEVENS and was born the same year as the marriage.
Sampson NOALL also witnessed the marriage of Robert (1808) to Mary Jane STEVENS.
Wilmot remains the problem. She most likely belongs to STEVENS given that Robert had a sister by that name and it is not a name occurring in the family of our other Robert. My only query here is that she was baptised 5 years after her next eldest sibling. It is not a case of a late baptism as she was buried at Towednack in 1822 at the age of 5 years 6 months. And the fact she was buried at Towednack makes it more likely she was the daughter of STEVENS as her father was also born at Towednack.
Elizabeth Thomas bp. 1st April 1804 St Ives (m. John MICHELL) Robert bp. 25th October 1805 St Ives (buried 30th December 1806) Thomas bp. 15th August 1806 St Ives Robert bp. 24th June 1808 (m. Mary Jane STEVENS) Mary bp. 6th April 1810 St Ives (m. Arthur ROSEWALL) James bp. 8th March 1813 St Ives (m. Elizabeth QUICK) Ann bp. 26th May 1815 (m. John MADDERN)
Robert bp. 20th December 1807 Paul bp. 19th November 1809 Ann bp. 8th December 1811 St Ives Elizabeth bp. 29th November 1812 St Ives (m. James QUICK) Wilmot bp. 9th February 1817
I believe that now places the children for each marriage correctly.
It also explains the relationship of Sampson Thomas NOALL to both the ROSEWALL family and to Elizabeth and Ann QUICK in the 1841 Census.
We know which Robert married Elizabeth STEVENS and which married Elizabeth TRENERRY.
What is now required is to determine which Robert was buried in 1822 and which in 1855 and then to see if burials can be determined for the two Elizabeths.
I will ponder over that and post my results in what I will hope should be a final note regarding the two Roberts.
I do still have to try and work out where John ROSEWALL fits into the picture.
Big night last night and I was working along the same lines as you. I did not get into the same depth as you but I am certainly happier now with the proposed placement of the various people. I have to say that you have done very well
The name Sampson Noale had played on my mind ever since I was at the Ludgvan church last month where the following headstone is:
In front of this stone are deposited the remains of Thomas and Elizabeth Quick of Angunack, in this parish. Elizabeth Quick, 21/3/1885 - aged 82 years Thomas Quick, 16/8/1889, aged 93 years
And their children Thomas, 26/10/1831 - aged 1 year Jane, 27/1/1849 - aged 7 months Robert, 28/9/1852 - aged 22 years Elizabeth, 15/3/1858 - aged 16 years Sampson N. Quick, 15/3/1880 - aged 36 years
The reason why the name Sampson was bothering me was not really to do with this family, rather the elusive Sampson of the Revenue department.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 17, 2008 14:44:09 GMT -5
I am still having difficulty determining the fate of the two Roberts and also of the two Elizabeths.
With both Elizabeths now found to be still living in 1841 the problem is compounded of course but more so because of the even greater difficulty in identifying Elizabeth TRENERRY.
In an earlier post I mentioned two possibilities:-
Elizabeth bp. 18th August 1773 at Gulval d/o Thomas
Elizabeth bp. 25th February 1771 at Madron d/o Thomas
But another look at the Census indicates that neither can be considered given that in 1841 Elizabeth gave her age as 60.
The only possibility I can now see is that she was more likely to have been the daughter of William and Elizabeth TRENERRY who baptised five children at St Ives between 1779 and 1786.
William TRENERRY, tinner, married Elizabeth OSBORN at Zennor 28th December 1777
There are no baptisms recorded at Zennor for any TRENERRY family and likewise none at Towednack.
The children to William and Elizabeth at St Ives are William (1779), Mary (1780), Grace (1782 and married Edward QUICK at St Hilary in 1802), Margaret (1784) and James (1785).
These are the only TRENERRY baptisms occurring at St Ives.
With the marriage in December 1777 and the first recorded child baptised November 1779 it is apparent that there cuold well be another child and I would suggest that, if so, this child would have been Elizabeth who became the wife of Robert QUICK.
There are a number of deaths recorded in FreeBMD for Elizabeth QUICK between the 1841 and 1851 Census but I have details of only one.
Elizabeth QUICK age 74 buried 30th April 1850 (My transcription shows this as 1849 but FreeBMD shows no death in the June Qtr for that year yet there is one in 1850.)
If my conclusion regarding Elizabeth TRENERRY is correct then this is unlikely to be her burial.
With my understanding of the origins of Elizabeth STEVENS however this burial would be a match.
On that (rather flimsy) evidence I am suggesting that it was Elizabeth (nee STEVENS) buried in 1850.
Elizabeth (nee TRENERRY) therefore was buried sometime earier.
With the children of the two Roberts now slightly altered it is only the baptism of Wilmot in 1817 that might indicate that both Roberts were joiner/carpenters.
We do know that Elizabeth TRENERRY's husband was of that trade as a certainty and we know that Robert QUICK, retired carpenter, age 76, was still alive in 1851.
That Robert, whichever he is, was buried at St Ives 30th March 1855 at the age of 81.
Robert (of STEVENS) was baptised 27th February 1776 Robert (of TRENERRY) was baptised 3rd February 1777
Whichever of these was buried in 1855 the other will be:-
Robert QUICK age 45 buried 17th February 1822 at St Ives
The 1822 burial matches (almost perfectly) Robert of 1777. The 1855 burial matches Robert of 1776 more closely.
IF both men were joiner/carpenters then 1777-1822 and 1776-1855 would be my decision.
(It is also very unfortunate that neither of these men appear to have left a Will.)
One more item on the agenda here is the identity of Mary THOMAS and, therefore, the origins of the name Sampson Thomas NOALL.
Although the marriage to Robert QUICK took place at St Hilary it does not necessarily mean that Mary was born/baptised in that Parish.
And it is worth noting that Ludgvan and St Hilary share a fairly large border.
I have found two possibilities for the baptism of Mary THOMAS with families including Sampson.
Mary d/o William & Mary THOMAS bp. 16th April 1750 at St Hilary Sampson s/o William & Mary THOMAS bp. 17th January 1759 at St Hilary
William THOMAS married Mary ROGERS 9th May 1745 at St Hilary
Mary d/o Sampson THOMAS bp. 4th November 1750 at Ludgvan Sampson s/o Sampson THOMAS bp. 11th June 1752 at Ludgvan
Sampson THOMAS married Elizabeth TRELUDRA 11th January 1746 at Ludgvan
My leaning is towards the Ludgvan baptism but I will need to do a little work on the St Hilary PRs before committing the information to my database.
ROSEWALL - unfortunately I am as yet unable to determine who John ROSEWALL was.
There are two burials at St Ives that could be him:-
18th April 1817 age 72 - this would put his birth at about 1745 and would mean he was 45 when he married Catherine QUICK and 67 at the baptism of his last child. And I can find no baptism for a John ROSEWALL any closer than 1741 or 1753 at the moment.
17th July 1822 age 52 - places his birth around 1779 in which case he would have been the son of Thomas and Elizabeth and baptised 29th October 1822.
Thomas ROSEWALL left a Will but unfortunately he died about six years prior th the marriage to Catherine QUICK.
Well - there you have it folks!
Comments and discussion welcome and I look forward to it.
Firstly, before commenting on CT's post, some information on the Noall family.
All events listed below are at St. Ives unless otherwise indicated
John Noall m.24 Nov 1702 Prudence Quick
Prudence was the daughter of Thomas & Prudence (nee ??) Quick, and granddaughter of Francis & Elizabeth (nee Paule) Quick
Among the children of John & Prudence Noall was Richard Noall chr. 23 Apr 1721
Richard Noall (1721 - ?) m. 3 Feb 1745/6 to Mary Harry and had the following children: RICHARD NOALL chr. 5 Nov 1746 Mary Noall chr. 9 Apr 1749 Thomas Noall chr. 26 Dec 1751 Prudence Noall chr. 1 Jan 1755 John Noall chr. 27 Dec 1757 William Noall chr. 27 Dec 1757 Elizabeth Noall chr. 26 Dec 1760 James Noall chr. 31 May 1762
As CT said, Richard Noall married the widowed Mary Thomas and had three children RICHARD NOALL chr. 7 Feb 1785 Ann Noall chr. 27 Sep 1788 Sampson Thomas Noall chr. 30 Apr 1800 (born circa 1792 or 1793)
Richard Noall m. 2 Oct 1814 Grace Harry (likely a cousin through his mother) and had the following children: Richard Noall chr. 7 May 1815 (appears to have died young) John Noall chr. 20 Sep 1816 HENRY THOMAS NOALL chr. 20 Nov 1818 SAMPSON THOMAS NOALL chr. 22 Apr 1821 Richard Noall born circa 1825 (as per later censuses) William Noall chr. 20 Ju 1828
Henry Thomas Noall m. 1848 to Wilmot (Wellmot) Curnow, dau of Robert & Sarah (Sally) (nee Roach) Curnow
Sampson Thomas Noall m. 1843 Penzance R.D. to Jane RICHARDS and had at least the following children: Sampson Noall b. c.1844 EDWARD RICHARD NOALL b. c.1845 Jane Noall b. 1851
Edward Richard Noall m. 1869 to Jane Stevens Paynter