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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2008 0:41:46 GMT -5
It is good that life is a continual learning process . While I was looking for a second husband for a certain Quick lady I came across a marriage for a John Quick, widower of St Ives and a certain Loveday LEACHER, married in 1796 Some time ago I did a search of Phillimores and extracted all the QUICK marriages - but there you go - the search does not always recognise the word QUICK, and most likely any other word for that matter . I am now not too sure how many marriages I have missed . So, Ian, who is the John who married this 37 year old from Lelant? It is obviously not the same John that had already married Joanna PAYNTER and subsequently Alice QUICK. Regards Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 4, 2008 1:05:19 GMT -5
Right now all I can tell you about this John is that he was a 'cordwainer' and that he was married to someone else before Loveday. Great Help. I am hoping little problems like this might be solved as I progress on this current project. Will let you know more later on tonight. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 4, 2008 1:25:09 GMT -5
This is Your Lucky Day! ;D Believe I have just found the answer to your Loveday question. Still going through St Ives Marriages and currently up to 1863. 27 Aug 1863 by Banns Benedict Quick of full age widower Cooper of St. Ives (Father: John Quick, Cordwainer) Jane Thomas of full age widow of St. Ives (Father: Thomas Warren, Mariner) Witnesses: William Bennett, Wm. Dumble When I checked my database I found that old Benedict here is supposed to have married three times and this looks like the second marriage according to other information I have. Notice that his father is named as 'John Quick, CORDWAINER'. All information I have suggests that Benedict was baptised at St Ives 16th January 1791. I have his parents as:- John QUICK m. Jane BARNECOAT, sojourner, 7th October 1781 at Phillack I have John bp. 3rd October 1758 at St Ives s/o John Quick and Christian (nee Luke). This John then bp. at St Ives 10th January 1716 s/o Benedict Quick and Prudence (nee Varryan). If the link from Benedict to John is correct then it is this John who married Loveday Leacher in 1796. Howzat! ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2008 2:13:41 GMT -5
To quote a certain pointy eared vulcan - it seems logical.
Benedict certainly must have lived long and propsered if his second of three marriages happened when he was 72 years old. Can I assume that his first wife was Elizabeth Richards? - perhaps they did not have children as none appear in the 1841 and 1851 census, the only other person living with them was Benedict's sister Christiana.
Like you I also had John, son of John Quick and Christian LUKE opened on the desk but of course I did not have any information to follow up with.
Looks good to me bro.
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May 4, 2008 10:03:25 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 4, 2008 10:03:25 GMT -5
Mate - at this stage I have no idea who Elizabeth was as I have never found the Marriage record.
If you have information about it I surely would like to hear about it.
Well - best I check 'me tucker' and then get on with some more of this Quick stuff for a couple of hours.
May not be until tomorrow that I get those couple of problems outlined for your perusal but I will get it done.
Ian
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Loveday
May 4, 2008 14:12:55 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 4, 2008 14:12:55 GMT -5
Morning
I have a marriage for Benedict Quick for the 10th November 1822 at St Ives to a certain Elizabeth RICHARDS.
Allen
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May 4, 2008 14:56:47 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 4, 2008 14:56:47 GMT -5
Thanks Mate - now have it twice (Cornishmaid also sent it) so it just has to be right. Also now have the Robert Johns information I was after. Work is progressing on the St Ives Quicks so I am hoping that I will start getting things going tomorrow night. I am mostly working with the 1837-1900 Marriages for St Ives (will also utilise Lelant and Halsetown) along with the Census records and also St Ives Baptisms 1868-1900. A few little problems to sort out but things are moving along steadily. Off to bed now. Ian
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May 4, 2008 16:21:49 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 4, 2008 16:21:49 GMT -5
Hello again Ian Just as a matter of interest I have extracted all the QUICK entries in the 1841 and 1851 census returns and have them collated into a spreadsheet so that I can sort the data. At the moment I am adding the 1861 census to it, eventually having up to 1901 all in the one spreadsheet. I also have some additional marriages that I got from www.familyhistoryonline.net and that is where I got Benedict's marriage to Elizabeth RICHARDS. If it is of any use just let me know. Allen
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May 5, 2008 10:39:31 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 5, 2008 10:39:31 GMT -5
Thanks Allen - have updated my database with that latest information from yourself and Cornishmaid and am about to tackle those Quicks again. Good idea utilising the spread sheets as you are as it can simplify things. However, I reckon you will end up missing quite a few. You see, during my Quick journey through the St Ives marriage records I have found quite a few Quick descendants who have 'Quick' as a middle name. The problem is that it can be difficult to pick and the Census Index proves just that point. Very occasionally you will see e.g. Eliza Quick Glasson but, more often than not, it will be e.g. Eliza Q Glasson. But that is not all - I have now come across many such entries that have been indexed as e.g. Eliza L Glasson and similar when, in fact, it is really a 'Q'. And I will check out that linked site also. Back to work now. Ian
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May 5, 2008 14:26:17 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 5, 2008 14:26:17 GMT -5
Gidday mate - Chelsea 2, Newcastle 0 - just in case you were interested Hey, you didn't by any chance come across an Israel Quick, baptised about 1812 to 1815 a St Ives. He is not the son of Paul & Ann (bap 1808) but appears to be born a few years later. In the 1841, 51 & 61 census he is a blacksmith, and in the 1861 census he is listed as being blind for the past 18 years. In 1861 he is a lodging house keeper at Marazion with wife Elizabeth. He seemed to have moved about a bit, being married in Falmouth and Joseph, his son, born in Truro. Allen
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May 5, 2008 16:45:26 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 5, 2008 16:45:26 GMT -5
Can't say that I know this bloke but, having had a bit of a look at things, I might be able to tell you who he was. I have worked back from the 1881 Census as a matter of interest and my first 'sight' of him is in 1861. It is the 1841 Census that is most interesting although 1851 or 1861 (can't remember which) requires some thought. In either '51 or '61 Israel has children with him and one of those children was Thomas 'R' Quick. I have considered that the 'R' might stand for Richards. Israel's age seems 'all over the shop' doesn't it? In 1841 there are three possible Israels to choose from - based on age. The first I have looked at is at St Ives and his age is recorded as (what looks like) 22. With him are Frances (73), James (28), Elizabeth (30), James (9), Israel (7), Richard (4) and Samuel (10 mths). Now Paul and Jane Quick had a son Israel baptised at Towednack in 1779. This Israel seems to have married twice - (1) Elizabeth Major in 1807 and, although I have not found her burial, (2) Frances Richards in 1811 at St Ives. As mentioned above I considered the possibility that Thomas 'R' might be Thomas 'Richards' and this could be an answer. The James named after Frances was her son by Israel and then comes James wife (also Elizabeth Major) and their children. I do not have a baptism for the Israel (22) in question but it would appear likely that he is also a son of Frances and, although a farmer here, could be the man you originally asked about. Perhaps Cornishmaid could check for a baptism for him and for any other siblings. Hmmmmm - just looking at the second candidate and he is an even better choice. This fellow is recorded as being age 23 and he is a 'smith' - i.e. a Blacksmith! Unfortunately he is at Stannack, St Ives, and appears to be lodging with a Sisley family. He has no other Quicks around him. OK - so there is another one I need looked up. IGI has limited stuff for St Ives after 1812 but they do show an Israel bp. 12th July 1823 to a Paul and Mary Quick. (Not sure who they are but they are certainly not one of the two couples of Paul and Mary that I currently know about!) And that is a Member-submitted entry from the look of it so I would be careful how far I trust it. Anyway that's all for now - most definitely bed time! Ian
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May 5, 2008 17:25:08 GMT -5
Post by cornishmaid on May 5, 2008 17:25:08 GMT -5
Well, no Israel Quicks that I can find that were baptised to Israel and Frances There are only 2 that I can find that would be in the right timescale; even then if you take the dates from the census these baptisms may be a bit late. Nevertheless, here they are: There is an Israel Quick baptised to Israel and Jane on 30 August 1818. Father Israel is listed as a Shipwright. Other children baptised to this couple are: Jane 31 December 1819 Wilmot 4 May 1821 Charles Allen 3 March 1830 Joseph 26 October 1832 There is a Joseph, so things may be looking up The other baptism for Israel that you found on the IGI seems to be correct, ie baptism on 12 July 1823 to Paul and Mary. However, Israel was a twin to Paul, and I can find no other baptisms to this couple in St Ives up until 1840. Did Mary die giving birth to twins? Is this why the Israel Quick you found is with the Sisley family? Just supposition at the moment. Am going to check out another baptism source tomorrow, to see if there is another Israel Quick baptised elsewhere in St Ives which could be our man.
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May 5, 2008 17:40:18 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 5, 2008 17:40:18 GMT -5
Gidday mate
I spent a bit of time on this bloke and I reckon that he might be the son of Israel QUICK and Sally RICHARDS. They had two children in St Ives - James & Alfred in 1811 and 1812, so right timeframe.
But anyway you will see that Israel marries a lady by the name of Elizabeth BLACKWELL in 1848 in Falmouth. Now I reckon that she was a widow when she married Israel, and Thomas R (aged 19 in 1861) is actually her son, originally a Blackwell. Only Joseph can be the son of Israel and Elizabeth I reckon - he becomes a carpenter and marries in Marazion. (Actually, in the 1871 census Elizabeth has some visitors by the name of EDWARDS. So I checked and in 1838/9 there was a marriage between Elizabeth EDWARDS and Thomas BLACKWELL - followed closely by a birth for a Thomas BLACKWELL - mere conjecture though).
I have asked Cornishmaid to see if she would be so kind as to have a look at the Falmouth registers to confirm that Elizabeth was a widow. If she is all is well, but if not then it is start over time.
I cannot find Israel in the 1871 census. Elizabeth and Joseph are still in Marazion at the lodging house and Elizabeth is listed as married - not as a widow. The only death that makes sense for him is in Helston district in 1874 - Israel Quick aged 62.
Intriguing
Allen
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May 5, 2008 17:48:14 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 5, 2008 17:48:14 GMT -5
I am sure that the Israel who was baptised in July 1823 at St Ives was buried three weeks later on the 3rd August.
Allen
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2008 4:21:54 GMT -5
This also looks very likely. In the FREEBMD it states that the Israel who died in 1874 was 62 - making him born around 1812. But the Helston OPC has that age recorded as 58 - implying 1816. The 1871 census seems to suggest that his wife had the old boy, blind now for 28 years, shunted off somewhere. She is clearly listed as married and not as a widow. So was he sent to the Helston workhouse or such like? Elizabeth seems to be an enigma also. Aged 30 in 1851, 48 in 1861 and 57 in 1871. Maybe errors in the entries. Hmmn; that would not explain why she said that she was from St Ives in 1851, then in 1871 Lannar in Gwennap. Still most intriguing. If he died in Helston in 1874, where was he in 1871 Lannanta
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