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Post by genie on May 6, 2008 5:20:59 GMT -5
I had a look at the Cornwall Online Census project Helston and Workhouses and I can't find an Israel Quick.
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Loveday
May 6, 2008 10:41:41 GMT -5
Post by cornishmaid on May 6, 2008 10:41:41 GMT -5
Nothing to report here I'm afraid. I had a look for baptisms of Isaac Quicks who may have been recorded in the non-conformist registers, but nothing. Also I'm afraid the Falmouth PR transcriptions I have access to don't cover the timescale needed.
Elizabeth is no help either. I had a look at Gwennap registers but no baptism of an Elizabeth Edwards (just in case it was her).
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Loveday
May 6, 2008 11:21:57 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 6, 2008 11:21:57 GMT -5
Becmong more of an enigma this Israel Quick. Over ten years ago I was given a copy of a CFHS printout for all the Quicks baptised at St Ives 1813-1888. This will only cover the Parish Church as I have checked on a couple of names that appear in the non-conformist registers that do not appear. However - Israel and Sally Quick had five other known children baptised at St Ives and there is little room to fit an Israel. John Richards Quick bp. 23rd September 1814 and bu. 17th December 1814 John Richards Quick bp. 27th September 1816 and died 1870 (He married Mary Nicholls at St Ives 3rd May 1840) Elisa Carter Quick bp. 14th June 1818 Paul Quick bp. 25th August 1822 Edwin Quick bp. 30th January 1824 (married Ann Matthews Madren at St Ives 11th April 1848) I am going to leave this fellow on the back-burner for a while. Except - in the 1851 Census when Israel is at Camborne he is a lodger at a 'lodging house for tramps'. Also checked FreeBMD and there is no birth for a Thomas R Quick around the right time. But Joseph (age 7 in 1861) is a possibility as there is a record for a Joseph in 1854. But then there is also an interesting Marriage:- September Qtr 1855 Redruth R.D. Israel QUICK m. Elizabeth Ann RICHARDS Now need to find out who he was I guess. ATTENTION Allen - ref the Falmouth marriage. By all means have the entry looked at for added details but I can now tell you who that Israel was. Israel QUICK m. Jane ALLEN 28th December 1817 They had 9 children baptised at St Ives through to twins Matthew and Paul in 1836. In the 1841 Census Israel appears to be widowed. In the 1851 Census this Israel appears St Ives with children Wilmot, Charles, Joseph and the twins Matthew and Paul. BUT Israel's wife is now ELIZABETH, age 46, born FALMOUTH Can you give me the exact date of the marriage to Elizabeth Blackwell please. Time to move on for a while.
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Loveday
May 6, 2008 11:28:05 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 6, 2008 11:28:05 GMT -5
Allen - you say you found Israel's wife Elizabeth in the 1851 Census where she says she was 30 and born St Ives. Could you tell me more please as I am damned if I can find her. Ian
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May 6, 2008 11:44:54 GMT -5
Post by cornishmaid on May 6, 2008 11:44:54 GMT -5
Why do I keep calling him Isaac Elizabeth is with Israel Quick at the lodging house for tramps in Gas Street, Camborne. If it is the same Elizabeth then I wish she'd make up her mind where she was born.. St Ives, Zennor, Lanner in Gwennap I can't access the orig images, so maybe Lanner & Zennor are one and the same?
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Loveday
May 6, 2008 12:01:14 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 6, 2008 12:01:14 GMT -5
I have just had another look at FreeBMD and there were four Israel Quicks listed in the Deaths.
The first is in 1854 in the Penzance R.D. but, of course, his age is not given so more work will need to be done to identify him. (i.e. see who was still about in 1851 but had disappeared by 1861.)
The second, also Penzance R.D., died in 1867 age 59 and I am sure he was the son of Paul and Ann and baptised in 1808. I do know that he was deceased by 1871 so this is almost certainly him.
The last one died in 1874 age 80 and he has to have been the shipwright who first married Jane Allen and then (as I know understand it) Elizabeth Blackwell.
This leaves the third Israel who died in the Helston R.D. in 1874 at the age of 62.
Israel Quick, of Helston, buried 18th March 1874 at Helston, age 58.
The only other Quick buried at Helston was John Quick of Helston who was buried 25th November 1873 age 72.
This is John in the 1871 Census at Helston
Church Street Thomas Hitchen, head, mar, 26, Insurance Agent .Temperance Hotel keeper and Grocer Mary Jane do., wife, mar, 26, Wendron Priscilla do., mother, wid., 54, former domestic servant, Breage Rosina do., sister, unm, 20, servant (nurse) unemployed, St Cleer John Quick, uncle, wid., 70, Temperance Hotel Keeper and Grocer, Falmouth
John was probably the son of George and Mary of Falmouth.
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Loveday
May 6, 2008 12:06:47 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 6, 2008 12:06:47 GMT -5
My apologies - so she is. Listed right under Israel and I did not see her. Okay - I have now found young Joseph in the 1881 Census Dwelling: Chandlers Lane Census Place: (St Hilary) Marazion, Cornwall, England Source: FHL Film 1341563 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2343 Folio 25 Page 21 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Joseph QUICK M 27 M Truro, Cornwall, England Rel: Head Occ: House Carpenter Elizabeth QUICK M 44 F Marazion, Cornwall, England Rel: Wife Robert J. THOMAS U 16 M Marazion, Cornwall, England Rel: Step Son Occ: Farm Labourer Joseph J. QUICK 5 M Marazion, Cornwall, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Married a woman 17 years his senior and obviously a widow.
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Loveday
May 6, 2008 12:14:18 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 6, 2008 12:14:18 GMT -5
Further to my last.
Joseph QUICK married Elizabeth THOMAS Penzance R.D. September Qtr 1875 vol. 5c page 354
Children baptised at Marazion
William Thomas QUICK bn. 12th August 1877 Joseph John QUICK bn. 13th September 1875
Both were baptised 30th December 1877
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Loveday
May 6, 2008 12:25:05 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 6, 2008 12:25:05 GMT -5
And more ...
William Thomas QUICK buried at Marazion 23rd July 1878 age 11 mths.
1881 Census
Dwelling: Fore Street Census Place: (St Hilary) Marazion, Cornwall, England Source: FHL Film 1341563 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2343 Folio 20 Page 12 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Elizabeth QUICK W 68 F Zennor, Cornwall, England Rel: Head Occ: Housekeeper
Guess this has to be Israel's widow.
Looks like she possibly died June Qtr 1885 Penzance R.D. age 69.
Time to get on with other Quick things I think.
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Loveday
May 6, 2008 14:09:45 GMT -5
Post by genie on May 6, 2008 14:09:45 GMT -5
Found on freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~juneen/sthilary/bdm.html13 Sep 1875 Banns Joseph Quick (signed) 22 Carpenter Marazion [father Israel Quick, Blacksmith] Elizabeth Thomas (signed ) 32 Marazion [father William Thomas, Miner] Witnesses: Thomas Johns, Maria Johns There are other Quick marriages in 1729,1731,1774,1781,1802.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2008 3:36:03 GMT -5
Gidday mate
I think that I had my Elizabeth's back to front. The Falmouth marriage was in 1848 and given that it was in Falmouth it seems to follow that the widower Israel from the Jane ALLEN marriage was the groom in Falmouth. I guess it makes sense too given that he was a shipwright.
When you look at the actual census record for 1861 for the couply living at Marazion, it is clear that Thomas R. is 19 years of age and born in Madron. So he probably struggles to be a Quick in any thing other than his name. It seems almost to be that the information supplied by this couple at each census time is questionable, especialy remembering that Israel has been blind since 1843 or so.
Do you know who Israel, husband of Jane ALLEN, belongs to? I do not seem to be able to find any marriage records in 1817 to see if there is any further information.
Still pondering
Allen
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May 7, 2008 12:25:49 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 7, 2008 12:25:49 GMT -5
Allen - Israel married Jane Allen at St Ives 28th December 1817. That information is from the Parish Register but I do not have any record of any other details. Israel was baptised 14th June 1795 at Towednack and was the son of William Quick who married Elizabeth Hollow at Towednack 15th May 1787. He was the sixth of 13 children including Robert who married Catherie Stevens. (He will surface briefly when I post my 2nd Quick problem.) Amongst others Israel had a sister named Grace who married Matthew Trewhella at Towednack 18th November 1826. Grace was Matthew Trewhella's second wife, he having only one daughter from his first marriage. There were five children to Grace and they bring in connections with Bryant, Roach, Michell and Richards so there is still more fun to be had. BTW - Israel's father William was the son of Paul Quick and Grace (nee Berryman). Must get back to these St Ives Quicks again. Ian
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Loveday
May 7, 2008 14:30:47 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 7, 2008 14:30:47 GMT -5
Hi Ian
Phew that was a lucky post - I was very close to mixing this Robert up with the one who married Catherine TREWHELLA in Towednack in 1822.
Allen
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May 7, 2008 16:05:57 GMT -5
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 7, 2008 16:05:57 GMT -5
Allen - Robert Quick and Catherine Trewhella are to be the subject of my next 'Quick Problem' posting. There has been some confusion over the years because of another Robert Quick at Towednack who married Catherine Stevens. Not only that but there is reference to a child of Robert Quick and Catherine THOMAS. I will explain properly when I put the whole thing together but, quite simply, (in fact there are two children with second name of Thomas) I believe this to be a child of Catherine Trewhella. Now for another little problem that will, once again, require the aid of Cornishmaid. The following marriage at St Ives is the basis for this:- 4 Mar 1866 by Banns George Quick 20 bachelor Mariner of St. Ives (Father: William Quick, Mariner) Johanna Williams James 19 spinster of St. Ives (Father: William James, Mason) Witnesses: William James, Grace James This one is giving me a real problem. Working backwards in the Census:- In 1861 George was an 'ordinary seaman' aboard a ship called 'John'. This is obviously no real help in finding out anything about his father. In 1851 George is at Back Road, St Ives with his three elder sisters. Elizabeth, age 15, is listed as head of the family whilst Alice (12), Mary (8) and George (4) are listed as daughters and son. There is no sign of a mother and certainly no sign of the seafaring father William. In 1841, again at Back Road, is Alice Quick (25) and daughters Betsy (5) and Alice (2). At this stage I believe that this is George's mother. Skipping back to 1861 we find a widowed Alice Quick, age 44) living at Wharf, St Ives and saying she is a 'mariner's wife'. So I am pretty much certain now that Alice was the mother of George. But husband William is now deceased and has left me no damned clue as to who he belonged to. This is obviously where I require the talents of Cornishmaid. As Alice was born St Ives I should think the marriage would have taken place there and it would have been sometime around 1835 or 1836 at a guess. I would like to track that marriage and also batisms for the children. Alice does not appear in the 1871 Census and it looks like she may be the Alice whose Death is recorded in the June Quarter of 1864. Also, George is deceased before the 1871 Census but it would not have been too much before as his last child was born in the June Quarter of 1869. I cannot find a Death for George so must assume that he died at sea. Right-o - I think I will try to do a little more while I have a cup of coffee and then head off to bed as I have to work tonight. But then I have a few days off so hope to get lots done. Ian
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May 7, 2008 16:29:41 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 7, 2008 16:29:41 GMT -5
Ian
There was a marriage in 1832 between a William and an Alice Stevens - but a bit too early perhaps??
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