The answer for me in a similar situation came from 8 relatively close DNA matches that I now can match up to 3 of my ancestor's sisters. Some matched Sampson relatives, and others did not. Those had to be and are Mitchells. Robyn, you may need to wait for other unknown cousins to test and point you to your solution. You can't force it. I wasn't even 100% sure that my great-great-grandfather, John Mitchell, was Cornish. (He was.) I even had a date of birth.
You need closer than 5-8th cousins if you don't know your history.
Post by robyndundas on Apr 12, 2020 17:53:20 GMT -5
Yes, I’m still looking for William!
I am looking for information in respect to his possible sister, Ellen Curnow.
“The naming of Wm Curnow c1845's father as William by whoever may not be an altogether red herring, perhaps just a herring.... because Ellen Curnow 1844 also names her father as William, in her case at the marriage to Christian Davey 1870.”
I cannot find any trace of Christian and Ellen after their marriage in 1870.
Do you have any idea what happened to them? I have looked at the immigration records as I thought they may have come to Australia as did some of Christian’s brothers. However, no luck.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 13, 2020 1:50:54 GMT -5
I have nothing on Christian and Ellen after their marriage but then I am not sure that I ever searched for them after that event. But it may interest you to know, if you don't already, that Christian Davey's mother was also a Curnow! Christian was the son of Benjamin Davey and Elizabeth Curnow who married at Gulval in 1834 with Elizabeth being daughter of Martin Curnow and Elizabeth Williams.
As for Ellen Curnow naming her father as William in the marriage record - well it doesn't really help all that much and trying to pursue William again from this particular record would result of a repeat of exactly everything we have done before. We would still end up in the same place and with the same dilemma.
A couple of points to consider:-
1. Did William and Ellen actually 'know' their father was a William Curnow or is that what they were led to believe as an easy answer to an awkward question? 2. If the father of each was indeed a William Curnow then was the same William Curnow responsible for both children? (I have seen other examples of women with multiple illegitimate children all fathered by someone different! 3. Regarding point 2. - remember that Mary Curnow's third child was by Henry Cook. 4. Are you using DNA to confirm links between William and Ellen? - If so then the match could be via their mother.
Post by robyndundas on Apr 13, 2020 5:54:54 GMT -5
Well the DNA fog is beginning to lift, I believe.
As you and Sue kindly informed me some years ago, Mary Curnow, baptised 1816 at Towednack to William and Mary Curnow was the most plausible mother to William Curnow believed to be the child, baptised 1846 at Towednack and later living with the Honeychurch couple, also William and Mary.
I now have DNA matches for three of her sisters, Jane, Margaret and Amelia with up to 33cM shared with me across numerous people.
Jane, baptised 1824 at Towednack - lots of matches here across three of her children. She was in Guernsey in the Channel Islands in the 1851 census. She marries Thomas Bishop and has five children. They emigrate to the South Island in New Zealand.
* Elizabeth Bishop married Andrew Bisset and has five children, one of which is Elizabeth Mary Cook Bisset. I believe she is named for her aunt, my 3rd great grandmother Mary Curnow who married Henry Cook. Other daughters are named Amelia and Elizabeth. I have matches from this line of the family. * Amelia Jane marries John Sutherland Sinclair. I have matches with this line of the family. * Celicia Avis Bishop married Alexander Gosden. I have matches with this line of the family.
Margaret, baptised 1821 at Towednack- a good match here as well. She married John Thomas. Daughters named Alice and Mary.
Amelia, baptised 1833 also at Towednack. She married Henry William Notley. She marries in London. Daughters named Alice James and Amelia Jane. Another recent good match here. Interestingly, there are Notleys in Guernsey in 1851 but I haven’t linked them yet to Henry William.
None of these matches have put the sisters together but it seems pretty clear to me that they belong together.
Therefore, I conclude that this Mary Curnow was indeed the mother of William Curnow, my 2nd great grandfather, baptised 1846 to a base woman.
I have been trying to find matches for Ellen, Williams at least half-sister, but as I said she seems to have disappeared after 1870.
Also, Mary Maria Cook, Mary’s daughter with Henry Cook appears to be a spinster. So no luck following this line either.
Finally, I am trying to find Daisy Curnow born 1897 in Harper’s Creek, Queensland in the Gladstone district to William Curnow and his possible second wife Agnes M (nee) Clark. They marry in Bathurst in 1885. I believe this is the same William, kicked out of the marriage to Ann Curnow (nee Lamplough) in Katoomba in about 1880 and said to have headed to the ‘Oberon area’ through family gossip. This William was living in Burraga, near Oberon where there was a copper mine at the time of this second marriage. (No divorce though). I believe this couple headed up to Queensland to another gold and/or copper mine. Census documentation confirms Williams residence. Agnes and Daisy disappear and William, I believe is the man who died at Gladstone in 1911. Death certificate says born in Penzance to parents William (a stonemason) and Mary aged 66, making his year of birth 1846. Bingo! Also dying of prostate cancer, a known Curnow ailment in my male line; my father, his brother, their Curnow grandfather and previously then William.