I am thinking of a new drawing board for myself, having spent hours this afternoon peering at Presentment Book images etc from 1700s/early 1800s & having (I think...) confirmed conflicting information... Grrr! I have to walk away from that for now as my head is hurting!
You know me, I'm a simple person..... That Tasmania Wm Curnow death I found by using FS , clicking on Aus on the maps, then searching for Wm Curnow deaths within the Australian Collections. Just re-doing that now, I see it is in "Australia Cemetery Inscriptions, 1802-2005". Hope that helps.......
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 26, 2017 14:06:02 GMT -5
Thanks Sue - i'll try that and see if I can find it.
Meantime I am back to just two possible William Curnows at the moment - the 1846 illegitimate son of Mary at Towednack and the son of John Curnow and Peggy Bennetts Nankervis. The DNA information definitely suggests a link which it would seem has to be back to William and Elizabeth or back to possibly Ludgvan via Sedwell Oates Thomas. Robyn's ancestry back to William Curnow of Hill End appears to limit the options.
Anyway, I have had a tough couple of hours with the #^&*^$%^@$%# internet connection so I will very shortly turn to something a little less frustrating!
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 26, 2017 14:17:30 GMT -5
Okay Sue I found it. There is one other Curnow (Alfred) buried in the same Cemetery - he was born in South Australia in 1878 and appears to be no relation at all to William. As for William .... well I currently have five candidates for him with four born 1845 and one in 1846. Those five include the illegitimate son of Mary and also the son of John Curnow and Peggy Bennets Nankervis so to work out who he is might be another lengthy project!
Of those 5 Wm Curnows 1845/6, it could be I have proven futures for them outwith Tasmania... And how do we know Alfred Curnow of same cemetery is unrelated to Wm Curnow buried there, if we don't know who that Wm Curnow is? Sorry, just being awkward!
I am reaally reaally tired, so need to walk away now till at least tomorrow, but would just add that illeg 1846 Wm Curnow of Mary could be DNA linked to Curnow/Bolithos by his unknown culprit father being from that line... Not forgetting that I simply don't know for certain/have been unable to prove the identity of Honor Michell's husband Thomas Curnow, and it is with that in mind that I have been peering at images for hours today - to no avail.... But will try again.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 26, 2017 14:55:45 GMT -5
And how do we know Alfred Curnow of same cemetery is unrelated to Wm Curnow buried there, if we don't know who that Wm Curnow is?
Sorry - Alfred was the son of James Curnow and Victoria Penberthy and was born at Callington in 1878. He had a brother William John born in 1868 and an uncle William baptized at Lelant in 1856 but you will be familiar with that family as this William was an older brother to your Thomas Herbert Curnow. Any related William Curnow other than these would have to be a descendant of William/Elizabeth Bolitho and we have already exhausted that lot.
I'll try and check some more DNA matches later today and see if I can find anything new.
Post by robyndundas on Nov 26, 2017 16:31:03 GMT -5
Thanks you for your posts.
In addition, I wrote this about the Henry Thomas connection before you discounted the William Curnow from Michigan:
My DNA links are very strong with the name Thomas, Williams and Quick.
I have another strong DNA link where I believe the family tree is very good. Another lady whose maiden name is Thomas, who lives in Wales, but is from St Ives and also visits family and records centres there. She has a William Thomas, born St Ives, 1825 father of Barnabus Thomas born about 1850 in St Ives. He was also father of Barnabus, born 1872 at St. Ives. There are also lots of Quicks here.
I did start a thread on this site on the Elizabeth Curnow mentioned above. There was confusion as to whom Henry Thomas's parents were as there was two couples around the same time that it could be. So I dropped off this line....
Let me know if you would like me to email you some DNA link usernames from Ancestry.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 26, 2017 17:28:53 GMT -5
Hi Robyn - I recalled the discussion about the Thomas family once I started following the link from Sedwell Oates Thomas but unfortunately we had to discount that particular line. There may be other options with that family but I have not found them as yet.
Don't worry too much about usernames just yet. I have checked your test kit on a 'one to many' match and found some of those you have mentioned. If I need to I will contact you for further details but for now I will potter along and see what I can dredge up. I have done a lot of work on the Quick families of the years and I also believe I have that particular St Ives Thomas family in my database - Barnabas certainly rings a bell.
Post by robyndundas on Nov 27, 2017 2:42:57 GMT -5
Could I throw William J Curnow, (1851-1934) son of Michael Curnow into the mix. He is very young to have been married to Ann, but at least he wasn't married to anyone else in 1872. We know that my William was temporarily in Sandhurst in 1873 from the bankruptcy notices. William J married Agnes Shearman on 9 March 1881, when 30 years of age at Loddon, Victoria which is close to Sandhurst, (now known as Bendigo). Michael Curnow and family lived in Daylesford about 70kms away.
Interestingly, Michael Curnow's will leaves everything to his wife, Mary Amelia but on her death he leaves the whole of his estate to his youngest son, Michael Curnow providing also that he pays out his son, William and daughter, Harriet 25 pounds sterling each.
I think it is unusual for the youngest son to be willed the property. Maybe not... Could this signify that the elder son has been away from the family and possibly not a farmer?
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 27, 2017 4:24:45 GMT -5
He is very young to have been married to Ann, but at least he wasn't married to anyone else in 1872.
I think there is a rather large amount of 'straw-clutching' involved here, although it does no harm to check all possibilities no matter how 'odd' they may seem. In this case though I certainly don't consider William John Curnow a candidate. If he were the man you are looking for then he was running pubs at age only 20 or 21, married at 21 and bankrupt at 22!!
The other option that has not been mentioned is the possibility that William Curnow is none of those we have looked at. The 1846 illegitimate son of Mary still seems the more likely 'at the moment' BUT there is always the possibility that William's father may have been an as yet unknown Curnow but that his birth was registered under his mother's maiden name. If that were the case then the problem will have become a good deal more difficult to solve.