I don't have huge faith in apparent distant cousin links via the combination of an element of DNA plus other people's online trees; but i may be repeating myself!
Is Lottie Grace Curnow descended from Wm Curnow~ Elizabeth Bolitho? Yes, but the way to satisfy yourself regarding this is to check out marriage records,newspaper entries, Atlantic crossing passenger lists, census entries then more marriage entries, baptismal records etc. etc.
But I think I've said before that there are, for example, photos out there that purport to be James Curnow etc. which are highly dubious as to their correct identification (think e.g. when people 1st became able to afford personal photographic portraits.)
Overridingly, I would say: listen to what CT is saying about the many possibilities for this distant DNA match - or false match.
I don't think I have anything to add to my detailed posts of 2017 regarding the identity of your Wm Curnow I'm afraid.
William Curnows are postgraduate degree level stuff!!! (& I do wish people had not plastered the internet with shoddy/incorrect allocations of Wm Curnows!! )
All of what CT says in his recent post I agree with, BUT you start by saying you have "William Curnow (b. 1819) marrying at Towednack( 30/5/1843) Jane Harris" and you think his parents are Wm & Mary Curnow.
Well, the Wm Curnow who married Jane Harris does have parents Wm & Mary Curnow - but not the Wm & Mary Curnow who married 1815 Towednack, oh no! . That 1815 marriage produced the children CT named... and not a William amongst all those girls!
Wm Curnow who married Jane Harris 30 May 1843 Towednack had children named Jane William Sampson John John James MaryJane Lydia & Thomas, yes? The unusual name there is Sampson......
Jane Harris' husband Wm Curnow had a brother called Sampson. The complete set of siblings for Wm Curnow husband of Jane Harris are: Mary Alice Hannah Elizabeth Wm 10/8/1818 Zennor Jenefer Sampson Jenefer Priscilla. The children before Wm were baptized Zennor; the children after him, Towednack. 1851 Wm (husband of Jane Harris) says he was born Towednack; 1861 says he was born Zennor; 1871 Towednack.
The parents of these are Wm Curnow who married Mary Curnow yes - but this Wm & Mary pair married 16 April 1808 Zennor!
Mary was 19/02/1786 to Wm Curnow & Alice Richards.
Identifying this Mary's husband William is PhD level! The main clue is "Sampson", but the full elimination game of boys born to fathers called Curnow c.1786/7, and much studying of wills - and farmsteads/properties lived at & when etc. - has to be played out to reach the conclusion I have as to his identity.....
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 9, 2018 15:04:20 GMT -5
My apologies Sue - I got so intent on the part about William Curnow marrying Mary Curnow that I completely forgot there was mention of the Jane Harris marriage which, as you say, descends from the earlier William Curnow/Mary Curnow marriage at Zennor.
And as you also quite rightly pointed out, it was more due to the hard work you put in with those deeds, Wills and other documents that finally sorted those Williams out properly.
I had spotted William and Mary married Zennor 1808 (on OPC) but "guessed" that the ten year gap to William born 1819 was too great if William was to be a first son as the given name made likely. Both the Marys being Curnow before marriage didn't help.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 9, 2018 17:13:55 GMT -5
but "guessed" that the ten year gap to William born 1819 was too great if William was to be a first son as the given name made likely.
A problem with 'assumptions' perhaps?
I guess what you didn't take into account was the possibility that the first son might have been preceeded by a slew of daughters. In this case Mary, Hannah, Alice and Elizabeth were all born before William came along. And then there was only one other son from the last four children after William!
Post by robyndundas on Aug 18, 2018 23:30:56 GMT -5
Dear CT, Sue and other interested parties
I am still looking for William. Of course, Mary Curnow, baptised 1816 at Towednack to parents William and Mary Curnow is of most interest to me due to your previous hypothesis in regard to my William.
I note that you list Mary, Honour, Margaret, Jane, Elizabeth, Alice James and Amelia as the only children of this marriage. No sons in sight....
I can’t seem to find a baptism certificate for Honour on OPC. I do note that CT says this info is from The Towednack Parish records, the original source. Could you please tell me her DOB or baptism details. Did she marry? Or die young?
There is also a John Curnow, baptised in 1819 at Towednack. Do you know who he belongs to? Yet another William Curnow and wife Mary?
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 19, 2018 2:50:03 GMT -5
Honour was baptized 9th June 1819 at Towednack …….. the problem is that she appears to have been baptized as JOHN!
Sue and I spent plenty of time and effort on this one but in the end the conclusion was that there was no other solution to the dilemma. Every possible source of information was checked but ultimately two facts were arrived at.
1. Except for the 1819 baptism of John no further sign of him could be found. EVERY John Curnow was checked and accounted for and we were still left with the baptism of a John Curnow who simply disappeared. 2. Honour Curnow born about 1819 appeared on the scene in the 1841 Census and thereafter married, had children, emigrated to America and died in 1904. She was born at Towednack, born about 1819 yet no baptism or birth record could be found.
Using the age-old formula of 'one plus one equals two' (messed up with the introduction of the metric system!! ) the only possible conclusion was that JOHN and HONOUR simply had to be the SAME PERSON.
The only way I can try to account for this error is that the Vicar (or his clerk) made the mistake when transferring baptism records to the Parish Register. The entry immediately before the Curnow baptism is for 'John son of' John and Mary Nicholas.
A more than likely scenario. I have no baptism for my Gt.Gt. grandmother, Jane, and no birth certificate, despite the fact that I have her on every census from 1851 to 1911. However, I do have a birth certificate for a James, born at the same time and place as her, with the correct parents!
Having exceptionally been allowed a few years ago to examine the original Towednack parish record book for covering the 1819 baptisms, indeed yes (taken together with all the other information)I am confident that Honor =John. I would add that Honor's death record in Wisconsin is transcribed on FamilySearch, which shows her birth date as 6 April 1819 - information that would have been supplied by her family. The death record names her parents as Wm & Honnor - but her children won't have ever met them, & could have guessed at Mother's name as Honnor when registering the 1904 death. I would add that when Honor's husband died Wisconsin 1879, his wife was recorded as "Mary" - Honor's mother's name (& also I believe her husband's mother's name.)
Post by robyndundas on Aug 19, 2018 7:17:49 GMT -5
Wow! Very, very tricky.
Also, Priscilla Curnow is mentioned above as daughter of The Zennor marriage William and Mary Curnow.
In the 1851 census, Priscilla appears to be with the other Curnow’s -William 64, Mary 65, Jane 25, Priscilla 22 and granddaughter Emily 3. Jane and Priscilla are listed as daughters. Or is Jane with the other family?
There only appears to be one likely Priscilla in the OPC. Family living in Amalveor, Towednack.
Now I’m confused again. Are there two Priscilla’s?
I don't understand what in particular you are saying is tricky.
CT & I have listed above the children of the 2 respective Wm Curnow~Mary Curnow marriages:
Wm Curnow~Mary of the 1808 Zennor marriage have Mary, Alice, Hannah, Elizabeth, Wm 10/8/1818 Zennor who goes on to marry Jane Harris, Jenefer, Sampson, Jenefer, Priscilla. This family is associated with Amalveor in Towednack.
Wm Curnow~Mary of the 1815 Towednack marriage have Mary, Honour, Margaret, Jane, Elizabeth, Alice James and Amelia. This family is associated with Amalebra, Towednack.
Regarding the name Jane, this was sometimes interchangeable with the name Jenefer. (As Catherine is with Christian; and various others.) But I'm not sure that is a confusable in the 1851 census details you are looking at....