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Post by spikeharwood on Aug 14, 2016 17:10:54 GMT -5
Hi Swiper and welcome to the Forum. Don't let being in Australia hold you back - Cornish Terrier lives here! Many images of original records are available on the net. As well as the subscription sites, FamilySearch has some 200,000 images from Cornwall, all free to view. Good luck with your research. Spike
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Post by lipkatatar on Aug 28, 2016 13:50:58 GMT -5
Regarding the Shetford /Lanyon dispute of 1659. I have looked at the documents from the National Archives, but my My eyesight is now too poor to spend time studying such documents in any detail - and there are quite a few long and detailed documents involved here.
The John Lanyon of Sankrett Gent in the dispute was the son of Richard Lanyon and brother of the younger Paskis. The William Shetford of Buryan Gent was the son of Christopher Shetford and grandson of William Shetford and Elizabeth. I cannot say what his relationship to Thomas Shetford was, although the fact that this dispute took place soon after the death of Thomas Shetford may suggest a relationship. Some of the properties mentioned in the dispute, which were being disposed of by William Shetford, had previously been the subject of transactions involving William Shetford's father and grandfather and John Trewren elder and his son John Trewren the younger - the grandfather and uncle of Richard Lanyon. Not only were the Shetfords of a similar social class to the family of Richard Lanyon,in that their wealth could be measured in the number of properties rather than the number of sheep or cattle in their possession, but it also appears that were were multi-generational connections between these families. While there is some circumstantial evidence to support Richard Lanyon's daughter Paskis as being the wife of Thomas Shetford, there is still no definite evidence as to which Paskis was married to Thomas Shetford.
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Post by pollyq on Aug 30, 2016 20:37:40 GMT -5
Hi Swiper, welcome to the board. I have found something of interest that may resolve the "which Paskis married Thomas Shetford?" dispute, but have been unable to get to the Cornwall Records Office to see the document in question just yet. However, I shall post what I've found. In the Cornwall Records Office online catalogue I've found the following deed, CL Robartes family of Lanhydrock CL/1 Estate Deeds Ref No CL/1/124 Title Lease, tenement, Treloweth Wartha, Illogan Date 3 Oct 1635 Format Manuscript Extent 1 item Description Parties: 1) Right Honorable John Lord Robartes, Baron of Truro. 2) William Lanyon, Yeoman, of St Just, Cornwall. Property: Tenement, Treloweth Wartha, Illogan, Cornwall. Consideration: £130. Term: 99 years, or the natural lives of [?] Lanyon, John Lanyon his brother and William Shilford, son of Thomas Shilford. Annual rent: 46 shillings 8 pence, one capon or 12 pence, a harvest day or 6 pence. Heriot: Best beast or £3. Now it's very annoying that we have a question mark for the first Lanyon, but if it named William (the Yeoman of St Just) and his brother is John, then this would be a good match for William of Sancreed's sons who are named in his will of 1624. The VERY interesting part though is William Shilford, son of Thomas Shilford. I strongly suspect this is William Shetford, son of Thomas Shetford. However, it would be remiss of me to offer this as definite proof without checking the document itself, but I have high hopes
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Post by pollyq on Aug 31, 2016 0:01:57 GMT -5
Having now read the rest of this thread that has grown so long in my absence, this deed above points to the origin of the William Lanyon of Illogan that appears to be the brother-in-law of Mary Lanyon nee Ellis as mentioned in the last segment of her will.
William, described as Yeoman, would seem to be of humble origins, but obviously made good. I still think that this William and his brother John are the sons of William Lanyon of Sancreed and his wife Jane.
Cornish Terrier, you mention the Lanyons of St Merryn. I'm sure I'm going to get shot down in flames for posting this, but I suspect that Richard Lanyon that married Jane Mooringe was located in the St Merryn/St Ervan area. Various documents in the Cornwall Records Office suggest that he was located there from at the earliest 1624.
R Rashleigh family of Menabilly Ref No R/1235 Title Lease, Brewinney in Paul churchtown Date 3 Dec 1624 Format Manuscript Extent 1 piece Description Parties: 1) Richard Lanyon of Treveglos, esquire, and wife Jane, to 2) William Hutchens of Paul, husbandman. Lease for 99 years.
Treveglos seems to be in the St Merryn area, both a farm and a tin mine are called Treveglos.
Then there is this document;
R Rashleigh family of Menabilly Ref No R/1171 Title Bargain and sale, Lanyon manor Date 26 May 1625 Format Manuscript Extent 3 pieces Description Parties: 1) Richard Lanyon of St Merryn, esquire, and wife Jane, to 2) Peter Jenkyn of St Columb Major, gentleman. Flamank Schedule of Title Deeds number 6. Also bond to perform covenants. Flamank Schedule of Title Deeds number 7. Also counterpart.
There are many documents that name him as of 'St Merryn', but then it changes to St Ervan around 1632;
R Rashleigh family of Menabilly Ref No R/1178 Title Bargain and sale, Lanyon manor Date 4 Feb 1632 Format Manuscript Extent 1 piece Description Parties: 1) Peter Jenkyn of Trenowth, St Ervan, gentleman, and Richard Lanyon of St Ervan, gentleman, to 2) John Langdon of Tywardreath, gentleman. Flamank Schedule of Title Deeds number 16.
Then in 1638, Richard is described as deceased in the document below, and his son is named as John;
R Rashleigh family of Menabilly Ref No R/1181 Title Bargain and sale, Lanyon manor Date 28 Mar 1638 Format Manuscript Extent 1 piece Description Parties: 1) John Lanyon, gentleman, son of Richard Lanyon of St Ervan, deceased, to 2) Jonathan Rashleigh of Menabilly, esquire. Flamank Schedule of Title Deeds number 20.
The Cornwall Records Office has 11 letters from John Lanyon to Jonathan Rashleigh from 1652-1654. It would certainly be interesting to find out if these letters hold clues to family ties.
I have not yet pursued the rest of Richard's children in this area due to lack of time, and online records that are searchable for this time period.
If I wanted to find a husband for his daughters, I would be scrutinising the names in these many documents on the CRO online catalogue (there are more than what I've posted here!)
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Post by pollyq on Aug 31, 2016 3:59:26 GMT -5
Gandolf found some early Breage baptisms that are interesting when viewed alongside another Cornwall Records Office document I found concerning Lanyons in Breage. ME Edgcumbe family of Cotehele, Calstock and Mount Edgcumbe, Maker Ref No ME/501 Title Quitclaim, land in Menyghye Veor, Wendron Date 1 May 1587 Format Manuscript Extent 1 piece Description Parties: 1) Bennett Lanyen and Francis Lanyen, gentlemen, of Breage 2) William Lanyen of Breage, gentleman, father of party 1. Property: Land held of demise of Edwward Sparnan, gentleman, deceased, in Menyghye Veor in Wendron. I can't see where these Lanyons fit in to the Visitation pedigree, but my head is very tired now and I could be missing something obvious! :/
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 31, 2016 4:45:47 GMT -5
Nice to have you back Polly! I will leave the bulk of this discussion for the moment to those of you who are more familiar with the families but I can offer one thing that may help. St Merryn is on the North Coast of Cornwall with its neighbour to the East being Padstow. To the South St Merryn borders St Eval and St Ervan. CT
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Post by pollyq on Aug 31, 2016 5:43:57 GMT -5
Hi Cornish Terrier, and thank you, it's nice to get my teeth into something chewy again, and the Lanyons are a very chewy problem indeed I'm still digesting everything that has been posted but I keep finding snippets that send me off searching. I really must stop soon though, I've been at it for over 6 hours. Thank you for your help as always And if I find anything, I'll be back!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 31, 2016 9:30:05 GMT -5
Those 'little snippets' are always interesting and hopefully one of them will lead you to something that creates a breakthrough. CT
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Post by lipkatatar on Sept 3, 2016 12:43:06 GMT -5
It certainly seems that Pollyq has cracked it as far as the identity of Thomas Shetford's wife Paskis is concerned. Hopefully, the full document will confirm this and we can then get down to a concerted effort to link this branch of the Lanyons to the Lanyons in the Visitations. Good work, Polly!
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Post by pollyq on Sept 5, 2016 7:07:49 GMT -5
Thank you Lipkatatar. I'm compiling a list of other documents to look at while I'm at the Records Office, mainly the earliest Lanyon wills to see if these can help.
I've also found three wills that will be of interest in the Oswyn Murray Collection of Wills abt.1600-1800 in the Devon Archives, which contain abstracts of wills most of which no longer survive, thanks to the bombing of Exeter during the war.
1/ Will of Richard Lanyon, Gentleman of St Ervan, proved 1636, also proved 1640. 2/ Will of John Lanyon, Gentleman of St Merryn, proved 1644. 3/ Will of John Lanyon, of Madron, proved 1634.
If Richard, Gent of St Ervan is the Richard that married Jane Mooringe, then hopefully we can find out what happened to his daughters, and the rest of the family.
I will have to find out if I can get a copy of these, as I doubt I'll have a chance to get to Exeter before the end of the year.
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Post by pollyq on Sept 5, 2016 7:19:02 GMT -5
Double posting, due to timing out of the site, which then decided to post what I'd written after all As I've got a posting box going spare, I thought I'd make use of it and write up what I've been looking at this evening. Cornish Terrier mentioned way back on this thread the will of John Lanyon of Plymouth. I found this will on Ancestry under the Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills 1384-1858. While it won't help with the identity of William Lanyon of Sancreed, it's an interesting diversion. For those with an Ancestry subscription you can find it here; John Lanyon, Merchant of Plymouth Will 1674It's a lengthy will that is impressive with the size and breadth of his bequests to the poor people of various towns and parishes, but it also gives us the information to deduce John was the son of William Lanyon and Susanna Burdon of Breage, baptised in 1625. John left £50 to the parish of Breage in Cornwall, and also 40 shillings yearly forever, to be paid from "my interest in three prize tin bounds in or near the said parish". John's will mentions his uncle Mr Philip Lanyon. This confirms that John's father William had a brother called Philip, and they are more than likely both the sons of John Lanyon that was baptising children in Breage at the start of the 1600s. The baptisms I've already quoted a couple of posts above. The will also mentions John Lanyon of Plymouth's sister Margaret Richards and Margaret's daughter Susanna, and another sister Susanna Tonkin, wife of Nowell Tonkin, and their daughter Dorothy Tonkin. William and Susanna Lanyon baptised 6 children in Breage, all can be found on the Cornwall OPC. 1619 Willimus Lanion s. of Willi & Susanne 1620 Georgius Lanyon s. of Willimi & Susannae 1622 Margareta Lanyon d. of Willi & Susannae 1625 Johes Lanyne s. of Willi & Susan 1628 Susanna Lanyon d. of Willi & Susannae There is no mention of brothers William and George in his will written 15th Sept 1674 in Paris. Are they already dead by this time? John mentions various 'cousens', among them are Hester Lanyon whom he bequests £700 "in case she should survive me and acquit my executors of my obligation for £30 per annum payable to her by me during her natural life." This suggests there is a pre-existing arrangement possibly arranged and set down in the will of either his brother William or George. The will continues "out of this £700, my cousen Hester do pay or make good unto her sisters, my cousens, Mary and Ann £10 to each during their natural lives." There is a baptism of an Ann Lanion d. of William & Tamson in Breage in 1651, but I can't find any other records to corroborate this is anything to do with John Lanyon's family. Other cousins/kinsmen mentoned are: James Trewolla, my kinsman, John Trewolla his brother, Mary Trewolla his sister and Jane Trewolla his sister. John then gives an extra bequest to Jane Trewolla, calling her his cousin, and stating that she recieves "£50 pounds more in consideration of £5 which I received off my uncle Glynn to improve for her advantage." John Lanyon also gives to the grandchildren (un-named) of his aunt Glynn and to his cousin Thomas Glynn and his wife. Looking at the marriages on Cornwall OPC the marriage of Thomas Glynn, Gent and Margareta Lanyon 8 Oct 1635 in Breage seems to fit for being John's aunt and uncle. The marriage of James Trewoola and Jane Lanyon 27 May 1647 at Helston is another good match for an aunt and uncle producing Trewolla cousins, but I haven't been able to back this up with baptisms through the Cornwall OPC. Well, thats enough for tonight. I still have some more names from this will, but I will have to post again when I'm not falling asleep
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Post by lipkatatar on Sept 5, 2016 22:55:51 GMT -5
Richard, father of Paskis was alive in Feb. 1632 (possibly in Mar. 1635) and dead by Mar. 1638, so this is almost certainly the one whose will you refer to, Pollyq. This is potentially a very important document in relation to the identity of Thomas Shetford's wife. The John of 1644 may well be Richard's eldest son.
I see from the Devon Wills website that films of the Murray collection can be ordered from LDS to view at their local Family History Centres. The Lanyon entries will be in Vol 20. I will phone my local LDS centre to find out how long it takes them to get a film.
LDS film 916905 Lackyngton-Lynne (Murray vol 20)
I also see on the Devon Wills website that there was a dispute over Richard's will in 1640 where his daughter and executrice Jane took action against her brother Francis over an unpaid legacy. This is contained in Olive Moger's Abstracts of Testamentary Causes, Series 1, Page 702 which is said to be held by the Devon Heritage Centre in Exeter.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 6, 2016 1:19:52 GMT -5
Polly ................. THANKYOU!!! I don't know if it will help me identify where they fit into the general scheme of things but the fact you have pointed out the mentions of TREWOLLA cousins is a huge bonus for me! Probably connected to the Trewolla family of Gorran but I have a number of early 'loose ends' that need to be followed up and this just might help. With any luck it might open up other sources of information on these families for me. CT
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Post by donne on Sept 6, 2016 2:39:07 GMT -5
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Post by lipkatatar on Sept 6, 2016 6:13:56 GMT -5
I have now ordered the Murray an Moser films from the LDS. I will now have to wait for them to contact me to see the films at my local Family History Centre. The cost is 7.50 per film which should work out a lot cheaper than getting multiple photocopies of documents sent from Devon.
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