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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 7, 2020 5:55:36 GMT -5
The grandchild is certainly Alexander Bolitho and yes, it is possible that William Lanyon had a daughter Elizabeth. Margaret Lanyon and William Bosustow were married 26th May 1619 and her father's Will was written three weeks earlier on May 5th. The Will appears to have been proved on May 31st so the fact Margaret was named as 'my daughter Margaret' suggests that her father had died prior to the marriage. The wording in the Will also indicates that daughters Honor and Mary were probably unmarried. If that were the case then it would strengthen the possible link to the marriage of Elizabeth at Helston. I am not sure if you have noticed but the first witness to William Lanyon's Will was 'William Bolitho'! It would be worth checking to see if there is a Will for William Bolitho so that a comparison of signiatures might be done. CT
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Post by morvath on Aug 15, 2020 14:52:14 GMT -5
Jim - a copy is on its way to you now via email. If it doesn't go through 'as is' with all images attached then I will split them into a couple of separate emails. The CRO ref for this Will is AP/L/198 William Lanyon of Morvah 1619. (And it looks like the email went through ok. CT Hi CT - I would love to see William Lanyon's 1619 will too. Is there any chance that you could email it to me please?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 15, 2020 16:22:33 GMT -5
On its way - hope all the images arrive ok.
CT
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Post by morvath on Aug 16, 2020 16:30:52 GMT -5
Great, thank you CT!
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Post by fairygrandma1 on Oct 27, 2023 23:05:17 GMT -5
G'Day from Down Under, I have just come across your post re NOYE/LANYON families on the Penwith Genealogy website. After 30+ years of research I am a very recent NOYE researcher, DNA results have thrown all of my research into total disarray.
I am now attempting to research Sampson NOYE (c1567-1640) and his wives, Ann and Jane, neither of whom have surnames when they married Sampson.
My lineage is from Sampson and Ann's son, Walter NOYE (1616-1694) being my 7xgrt grandfather who married Margarett, surname also unavailable. Their son, William NOY(1646-1723) married Ann SAUNDRY (1667-1747), with their son, Walter (1694-1762) marrying Blanch GILES (-1757). Their son, Walter (1727-1780) married Sarah POTTER (no dates available), with their son, Henry NOY (1779-1846) marrying Mary BATTEN (1775-1862) whose son, Henry (1808-1885) married Elizabeth DAVEY (1816-?). Their son Henry NOY (1837-1919) married Mary Elizabeth McNAUGHTON (1840-1900) in New Zealand.
Henry NOY (1837-1919) had a brief "dalliance" with my great grandmother, Isabella Jane JACKSON (1854-1942) which introduced my maternal grandmother, Madeline Desiree BAYNES (1895-1985) into the world. Both parents were well and truly married with children at the time, Henry and his family was living in Greymouth, New Zealand, and Isabella and her family in Hampstead, London. Isabella was from a high-society family with an 18-room mansion, Henry was a Cornish farmer, they met in Camborne in 1894, my grandmother was born in March 1895 and raised by Isabella and her husband, Herbert Morton Walker BAYNES, in Blackheath and Hampstead, London.
As I said earlier, this was a very recent DNA discovery with the results coming through as undeniably true, at the beginning of this month. Prior to that I was completely oblivious and mentally refusing to acknowledge the possiblilty even though I have had my DNA results since 2014!
Anyhows, those are the facts that I can not ignore any longer, what happened happened and now I have a totaly new tree to build, aren't I the lucky one?!!!
Returning to your original NOYE families on the Penwith Genealogy site...
I noted that your post was dated 25 Oct 2017, coincedentally nearly six years to this day! I was wondering how your research has fared over the years? Have you managed to locate any evidence of Jane or Ann's birth records? I refuse to accept the popular Ancestry tree theories as they are no more than guesses and copies of guessies with no evidential proof. I did go down that rabbit hole but I also did the math that proved them all so wrong. For "IF" Jane's surname was TREWREN, that Jane was born in Sancreed in 1573 and would only have been 13 when she married Sampson in 1587. I am unable to locate any record proving Jane's maiden name or birth details, possibly in Madron.
Then Ann, Sampson's second wife, and the mother of my Walter, was 'supposedly a LANYON, the popular choice of her birthdate was c1586. Her first child, depending on which tree you find, is either Sarah, in 1598, when Ann was merely a child of 12, or, if Walter was her first, then she would have been a more acceptable age of 15.
I hesitate at recording anything that I can't verify and therfore both Jane and Ann are not showing any birth records, or parental details unless I can be convinced otherwise. I am hoping that you might have uncovered new facts during the past six years that might identify either Jane or Ann? Also, have you any details on Sampson's birth or parentage as I am unable to verify his birth either.
Please check out my tree (https://www.ancestry.com.au/invite-ui/accept?token=jap0rGMkCrf5asfiWLoiERrEW2rulsAiFXaIAfRHHFI=) to see if anything requires updating or changing, I am sure there are errors as I have only been working on it for a few weeks now. I would really appreciate any advice you might have to help me in any way, I would also appreciate learnign of other researchers you might know who are working on the same families and whose work is crediatble.
I thank you for your time, Erynne BAYNES, Warragul, Victoria, Australia.
e: fairygrandma1@gmail.com
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 28, 2023 1:05:05 GMT -5
Welcome to the site Erynne. I am not really up with the Noy(e) families but I am sure there are others here who may be able to help with some of your questions. But there is ONE thing I can offer. Walter Noy and Sarah Potter were married 13th December 1762 at Saint George, East Stonehouse, Devon (FamilySearch - England Marriages, 1538-1973) CT
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Post by fairygrandma1 on Oct 28, 2023 5:24:21 GMT -5
Hey there CT! Thanks for the welcome. I had seen that marriage record but I was wary of it due to its location in Devon. I have it as a "possibility" but, until I have proven it or disproven it, I decided not to add it until confirmed. I look forward to any opinions though Do you think it is likely to be the same Walter NOY, born 1727 in Morvah and died 1780 in St J-I-P? Erynne.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 28, 2023 6:34:18 GMT -5
I do have this Walter in my database but I have not pursued marriages or children. However I have just looked at FamilySearch to see if their may have been any children baptised in Devon for Walter and Sarah and the answer appears to be in the negative - all children I can find appear to have been baptised in Cornwall. So, the next thing is to look at the names of those children. I do not see a daughter named Blanch (which might have been expected) but then not everyone followed naming patterns. There was a daughter Dorothy who could have been named for Walter's sister and sons George and Henry but the interesting name is Audrey. If that appears elsewhere in the family it might be a good clue. Actually, there is a marriage in 1686 at Morvah for Walter Noye and Audrey Ellis. There could be a roundabout link there but looking at the number of Walter Noy(e) baptisms I would think the 1727 Walter is almost certainly the husband of Sarah. Best thing would be to check out and possibly build up a family for each of the Walters. That way you could get a better idea of where everyone belongs which will help narrow the options and help place everyone correctly. And don't forget to check for Wills. CT
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Post by kernow60 on Oct 28, 2023 9:16:24 GMT -5
I have this family in my tree and although it is still a work in progress some of the following dates might be something for you to go on. They may be correct and then again they may not be but some may be helpful for you.
Sampson Noy born 1565 Madron died 19.2.1641 Madron. Possible parents Richard Noye and Jenet Jacstephen. Sampson married 1. Jane Trewern and not Trewren and 2. Ann Lanyon. Sampson and Ann were married 24.1.1601 Madron. Ann born 1586 Gwinear and died 23.12.1662 Madron. Possible parents John Lanyon and Mary Ellis.
Walter Noy born 1616 possible surname of wife Margarett could be Lanyon. Marriage 10.11.1645 Madron. Margarett born 1616 Madron died 10.9.1707 Paul.
Walter Noy born 1727 married Sarah Potter 13.12.1762 Stonehouse, Plymouth. I have seen a child Audrey for this marriage. Sarah Potter born 17.3.1727 Culmstock, Devon.
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Post by JerseyGirl on Feb 12, 2024 13:52:55 GMT -5
Sampson Noye’s wife Ann was a Lanyon, she was the daughter of John lanyon who was the son of Walter Lanyon and Elizabeth Nanspyan. An abstract of John Lanyon’s 1634 will (should be on Cornwall OPC database as I have sent it in) and this confirms the link between the two families. I haven’t done any real research on the Noye Family but have on the Lanyon family.
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