Post by lipkatatar on Sept 6, 2016 11:08:48 GMT -5
It is now clear that the record below also refers to Richard Lanyon's chldren. I will wait to see what we get from the LDS films before ordering a copy as the National Archives now charge £8.24 just to give a quote on the cost of copying a document.
Reference: C 7/456/7 Description: Short title: Lanyon v Lanyon. Plaintiffs: Francis Lanyon. Defendants: Jane Lanyon and others. Place or subject: property in St Merryn, Cornwall. Document type: answer only Date: 1650
That's great Lipkatatar. I think it will work out quicker as well. It's great to have these abstracts. So many wills were lost that would have helped my family research on both maternal and paternal branches. It's quite frustrating knowing that 75 years ago I could have had the answers to my burning questions! But at least we have Oswyn Murray to thank for preserving the Lanyons.
I'm glad I've been of help Cornish Terrier. Makes a nice change for me to help you
Going back to John Lanyon's will of 1674, John mentions his sister Margaret Richards and her daughter Susanna. On the 8 Nov 1876 at Paul, Mrs Susan Richard marries George Beare, Gent (Cornwall OPC) Looking on the Cornwall Records Office online catalogue, there is a large amount of documents on George Bere/Beare but it's interesting to see that he's of St Ervan. The Lanyons also make an appearance in these documents.
AR Arundell family of Lanherne, Mawgan in Pydar AR/7 Bonds, Arundell family and estate Ref No AR/7/39 Title Bond, Esther Lanyon Date Apr 1677 Format Manuscript Extent 1 piece Description; Parties: 1-2) George Bere the younger of St Ervan, gentleman; John Arundell of Pendennis Castle, gentleman 3) Esther Lanyon of Maugan [Mawgan] in Meneage. Bond of (1)-(2) to (3) in £100. Badly torn.
AR Arundell family of Lanherne, Mawgan in Pydar AR/17 Legal records Ref No AR/17/127 Title Answers to bill of complaint, Bere versus Lanyon and Yonges Date c1680 Format Manuscript Extent 3 pieces Description; Answers of George Bere the younger, and Suzanna, his wife, defendents, to the bill of complaint of Phillip Lanyon, esquire, Thomas Yonge, gentleman, and Hester, his wife, plaintiffs. 3 pages.
What's clear from the above documents is that Hester Lanyon (cousin of John) married a Thomas Yonge. I assumed when I first read John's will, and started to find these documents, that Hester was probably a niece because of the late marriage. However, John Lanyon always calls her a cousin in the will, and his father had plenty of younger brothers, and she could have been the daughter of a young uncle. It's frustrating to not have found a marriage record for Hester yet, but it could be out there somewhere.
Another family that benefitted from John's bequests are the Hawkes. John mentions Josias Hawke, Martha his wife, and Richard their son, also Mr Thomas Hawke, Jane his wife and Edward their son. He also mentions his cousin Grenfield Hawke.
Not finding anything on the Lanyon side, I looked at the pedigree of the Burdons in the Devon Visitations of 1620, where John Lanyon's mother, Susanna (or Susan) Burdon, is recorded as wife of 'Wm Lanian'. Susanna's sister Jone is shown as the wife of Richard Hawke of St Cleder (St Clether) in Cornwall.
The Cornwall Records Office has a document that gives us an idea of marriage year.
X355 Hawke family papers Ref No X355/349 Title Pre nuptial settlement, Temperance and Nicholas Hawke, St Clether Date 19 Sep 1618 Format Manuscript Extent 1 piece Description; Parties: 1) Nicholas Hawke, gentleman, of St Clether or Cleder, and wife Temperance 2) Robert Burden, gentleman, of North Petherwin, Walter Lugger and Arthur Holman, in trust for Nicholas Hawke for his life, then for Temperance, in accordance with marriage settlement granted by Nicholas Hawke's father Thomas, then to Richard Hawke and family. Pre nuptial settlement by 1) to 2) of mansion house and appurtences called Trereven, in St Clether, with lands of Trereven and Fentenlyan, Bowithick or Little Bowithick and Treboy, with common pasture on Foweymoor, Highmoor and Butterdown, all in St Clether. Also Carne Castrell of Laneast, with glebe lands, profits, tithes and altarage of Laneast. Consideration: performance of agreement concerning marriage between Richard Hawke, gentleman, son of Nicholas Hawke and Joan, daughter of Robert Burden and establishment of jointure for Joan.
The document below confirms the children of Richard and Joan, but Joan has been erroneously called Margaret, although she has been identified as daughter of Robert Burdon. Joan Barden widow, is Joan Burdon widow of Robert, and Susanna and Joan's mother. I'm assuming Margaret Holman is Susanna's and Joan's sister (also on the visitation pedigree but shown without husband) and her husband is possibly the Arthur Holman in the document above.
X355 Hawke family papers Ref No X355/1 Title Leasehold, property in St Clether and North Petherwin Date 20 Feb 1637 Format Manuscript Extent 1 piece Description; Parties: 1) Joan Bardon, widow, of North Petherwin, Margaret Hollman, widow, of North Petherwin and her daughter 2) Richard Hawke, gentleman, of North Petherwin; Josias, Grenvill, Peter and Thomas Hawke (his sons), also Mary and Gertrude Hawke (his daughters). To Josias, Treboy and the High Park, part of Treeven, both in St Clether, and all rights, interests and leasehold terms in property granted, granted 1618 by Nicholas Hawke, father of Richard Hawke, to Robert Burdon, father of Margaret Hawke for 100 years. To Grenvill; mansion house at Trereven, with little meadow and wood park, also Fentenlyans, all in St Clether. To Peter and Thomas; Great Meadow, Quarry Park, Middle and West Parks, part of Trerevan in St Clether. To Mary and Gertrude; Bowhithick, in St Clether. Leasehold by 1) to 2). Consideration: Richard Hawke agrees to grant to Margaret Holman parcels of land, part of Bodgate, in lieu of certain debts owing to Joan Bardon and Margaret Holman.
Well I shall leave this will alone for now. There is enough information and documents on the families contained in John Lanyon's will to write a book! But I'm not up to that task tonight
Hi Pollyq and to all who have responded. I am in awe of the documentation you are able to find. Being fairly new to this I must admit I'm having trouble keeping up and following all the different lines of this thread. So at present I will wait for Pollyq and lipkatatar to update us as to their finds from their CRO/LDS searches, as discussed recently above, to see if they shed further light or confirmation as to just whose daughter the elusive Paskis is. The info about Thomas/William Shilford sounds promising too. Thank you. I will keep checking in to see what you find.
One online book I did find was "The first book of Madron Parish Register" in an online PDF. This info may already be part of what everyone knows but I'll post it just in case. Can't imagine I'm finding something that you wouldn't have already found haha. But here's what the book said: 18/8/1606 Prudence d of George Lanyon, gent 8/11/1609 Jane d of William Lanyon, gent 13/7/1610 John son of Richard Lanyon, gent
Post by lipkatatar on Sept 27, 2016 22:53:49 GMT -5
I have the LDS files relating to Lanion wills on order, but I have been informed that there could be a wait of several months as they have to make copies of the films.
In the meantime, I have been looking at the Lanyon connections of the Joan Lanyon who described herself in her will as sister of Elizabeth Shetford and kinswoman of Alice Shetford. Joan's husband, David Lanyon (d.1641) was the brother of Francis and Alexander Lanyon. He was a younger son of John Lanyon (d.1634), the eldest son of William Lanyon of Morvah (d.1619), the younger brother of the John Lanyon who married Phillipa Myliton. We can therefore eliminate this William as a possible father of the Paskis who married Thomas Shetford.
Post by lipkatatar on Oct 11, 2016 11:18:16 GMT -5
I have now had access to the Murray and Moger films from the LDS. The Moger film I received only contained the index to her work rather than the Abstracts. The Murray film has the will of Richard Lanyon, died 1636. This appears to show that his daughter Paskis/Pascha was alive and probably married in 1636, as she receives only a token legacy in the will. Unfortunately, Richard does not mention the names of any of his children's spouses, or the names of any grandchildren.
Will of Richard Lanyon of St Ervan, Gent., written April 1636, proved March 1636 and again in Jan 1640. (Murray says this later date is "evidently a subsequent grant" but gives no further details.)
To Jane my wife, £10 a year for life and my best bed.
To my daughter Pascha, 5/-.
To my son John Lanyon, £20, and whereas he is indebted to his sister Jane, if she release him he shall release to her his rights in Towen Wont and Towne Wola in St Meryn which he hath by demise of Hugh Boskowen of Tregothan in Cornwall, Esquire, and has since made over the same to Jane.
To Frances Lanyon my son, £10.
To Phillip Lanyon my daughter, £10.
To Jane Lanyon my daughter, £1.
To my sons Richard and Thomas, £50 each.
To my daughters Elizabeth and Margaret, £30 each.
To the poor of St Meryn 5/-.
To the poor of St Ervan 5/-.
I make my son Richard Lanyon and my daughter Jane Lanyon my executors and to them I leave the rest of my goods.
I request my friend Richard Russell patron of St Ervan to see my will performed.
Will witnessed by Jermann Shepcott, Frances Lanyon, Stephen Jeffrye.
Inventory by Ezechell Treouren and Jon Tom, July 1636.
Manor of Tregeniger £400.
The other moyety of Tregeniger, being in reversion for 21 years after the death of Jane Perinan, £100.
Total £556 18/-.
Will of John Lanyon of St Meryne, Gent., November 1643, proved October 1644. (Probably the son of Richard)
To every brother and sister, 5/- each.
To the poor of St Meryne, St Ervan and Paddestow, 20/-.
To every godchild, one ewe lamb.
To Jane Lanyon my mother, my lands and tenements in Little Carketh in St Meryne, also I give her all my other messuages whatsoever and all the rest of my goods and I make her my executrix.
Witnessed by John Martyne, Jane Andrew, Peter Peerse.
Inventory by John Mychell and William Williams.
One tenement in the Parish of St Meryne called Treveglen, £200.
Post by lipkatatar on Oct 11, 2016 17:54:34 GMT -5
Another Lanyon will from Murray Vol 20.
John Lanyon Esq. of Merrine, died June 1605, administration of his goods granted to his widow Margaret on 18 March 1605. This was "prayed" by Richard Vivian, gent., Otes Merifeild, gent., William Marfeild, gent. and Thomas Speare.
Household goods and items connected with a small farm, including a harrow, a cornpike, two pigs, etc. Total: £10 12/- 3d.
Post by lipkatatar on Oct 14, 2016 11:53:45 GMT -5
A few years before his death, Richard Lanyon and his son John sold the manor of Lanyon to their cousin John Rashleigh who then leased the property to another cousin, John Lanyon, the son of William Lanyon and father of the David Lanyon who was married to the Joane Lanyon, widow who described herself as kinswoman of Alice Shetford. At the time of their deaths, Richard and his son John were presumably living in St Ervan.
Thanks for posting the information from the Richard Lanyon will and the two Johns Lipkatatar. Very interesting indeed.
It's a shame Richard didn't give Pascha's husband's name, but it still might be possible to find this out if she was one of the 'others' that is mentioned in the Pleadings that you found previously, dated 1650, against Francis Lanyon.
White asked why Richard Lanyon and son John are in the St Ervan/St Merryn area. Well I might have found a reason, or at least a partial reason!
There's an entry on the National Archives online catalogue as follows;
Reference: E 134/10Chas1/Mich41
Description: Walter Orchard, late under-sheriff of Cornwall. v. Richard Lanyon, John Lanyon, Jane Lanyon.: Lands called "Inegeneger," in the parish of St. Ervan, and "Treveglas," in the parish of St. Merrin (Cornwall), lately belonging to Richard Lanyon, an outlaw (defendant's father), &c., &c.: Cornwall
Date: 10 Chas 1
The date of the document has been given by the NA as "27 March 1634 - 26 March 1635". The date is slightly contrary to Richard Lanyon's will, but there's no doubt it's the same family. Richard Lanyon and Jane Lanyon were the executors of Richard's will and the lands mentioned tie up, "Inegenegar" is Tregeniger in Richard's inventory and "Treveglas" = Treveglos has already been mentioned in many documents and probably mentioned again in John Lanyon's inventory of 1644, but called Treveglen.
Richard Lanyon is described in the above document as an 'outlaw'! I'm dying to know what he did. Maybe he was persona non grata in the Penwith area and decided to lay low in North Cornwall
I'm planning to go to the CRO this coming Friday to see the William Lanyon deed that I believe mentions the Shetfords. I haven't forgotton, it's just haven't been in Truro when the Record Office has been open!
I managed to get to the CRO today and saw the William Lanyon of St Just, Yeoman, lease for the tenement Treloweth Wartha, Illogan, dated 3 Oct 1635.
It was in a very tatty state, on the right edge in particular, which is why the names of the lives is missing the 'William' of William Lanyon as the first life, but it continues " ... Lanyon, John Lanyon his brother and William Shitford, sonne of Thomas Shitford of St Just aforesaid."
Further down the document the lives are repeated thus "the said William Lanyon, John Lanyon and William Shitford".
Although an unfortunate alternative to the surname Shetford/Shutford, Shitford has been used in the baptism entry of William's daughter Mary on 21 Jul 1655 in St Just (according to the Canon Taylor transcripts) So although not a common surname alternative, it had appeared subsequently.
Due to the fragile nature of the document, as well as its size, it wasn't possible to photocopy it, but I did take photos of the areas that contained the names of interest.
This document, for me, indicates the very strong probability that Thomas Shetford/Shutford married 'Paskas' daughter of William and Jane Lanyon of Sancreed. And that the William and John named above in the deed are her brothers.
I still would like more confirmation if possible, by establishing the husband of Richard Lanyon's daughter 'Pascha' if she did marry. However, if that never transpires, I shall continue to support the theory that Thomas married William's daughter rather than Richard's daughter.
As for "who was William Lanyon's father?" I have no theories on that as yet!
I'm working on it, but it could take years rather than months to make any headway with this particular branch of the family.
Hi I'm hoping someone can help with my Lanyon/Lanyne line - Sancreed Branch. I have Jane Lanyon baptised 22 February 1568 at Sancreed to George Lanyon of Sancreed. Jane then married George Bosence at Sancreed on the 31 October 1601. There appear to 4 children born to George Lanyne from 1566-1575 one being bastard born. I estimate that George was probably born around 1535-40 but because the registers don't start till much later I have no reference to his birth, baptism or parents. I believe that George's parents were probably Richard Lanyon and Margaret Treskillard. But there is no mention of George in the Visitation of Cornwall as a possible son. Can anyone through any light on George's parentage is it likely to be Richard and Margaret or another of the Sancreed Lanyne's family?
Hi Lisab, the short answer is, nobody knows yet. As you rightly said the parish records will be of no help, the only way forward is to hunt for other documents, such as wills, deeds, pleadings etc. that might mention George and his father. There are a lot of Lanyons missing from the Cornwall Visitations, so while it's a handy framework, it shouldn't be viewed as a definitive list.
A case in point is this document at the National Archives that mentions a Thomas Lanyen and his son John.
Reference: C 1/147/27 Description: Short title: Lanyen v Jakrobyn. Plaintiffs: John, son of Thomas Lanyen. Defendants: James Jakrobyn, feoffee to uses. Subject: A messuage and land, late of the said Thomas in Lostwithiel. Cornwall Date: 1486-1493, or 1504-1515 Held by: The National Archives, Kew.
The date would suggest that Thomas and son John would be contemporary with Richard Lanyon and his wife Isabell and William Lanyon and his wife Thomasin. However there is not a hint of them in the Visitations. There could have been many descendants from Thomas' son John, but without more evidence we just don't know where to place them.
There are quite a few interesting Lanyon/Lanyen documents that could help in the National Archives but it's a very expensive exercise in ordering them. It would require a trip to the NA and a week of reading impossible writing And I can think of better things to do on my holidays
My suggestion is to carry on with other branches and keep an eye out for the Lanyons. One day you might stumble on something significant.
I've just come across another document that is of the same date as above, also concerning a John Lanyen, who is son and heir of Isabel Laneyen. Is this the same John as above with father Thomas? It seems likely.
Reference: C 1/147/26 Description: Short title: Laneyen v Jakrobyn. Plaintiffs: John Laneyen, son and heir of Isabel Laneyen. Defendants: James Ja[kr]oby[n]. Subject: Detention of deeds relating to a messuage and land, late of the said Isabel at Trevyscan. Cornwall Note: Mutilated. Date: 1486-1493, or 1504-1515 Held by: The National Archives, Kew
The next document appears to relate to the above case but has a tighter date range.
Reference: C 1/211/53 Description: Short title: Lanyen v Jakrobyn. Plaintiffs: John Lanyen. Defendants: James Jakrobyn, of Cornwall, husbandman. Subject: Detention of deeds relating to land in Trevyscan. Cornwall Date: 1493-1500 Held by: The National Archives, Kew
It would seem, by searching on the Cornwall Records Office website, that Trevyscan is located in the St Breock area, so we are looking at North Cornwall again. The Lanyons do seem to have a long association with this area.
It's perplexing though John's mother being called Isabel. There are two in the Lanyon pedigree in the Visitations. One married to John Lanyon and daughter of Thomas Ruthfrey. The other married to Richard Lanyon and daughter of David Trelysick. Was there another married to a Thomas Lanyen? Or is there a mistake in the transcription for the online indexes? (I have had this happen, where the NA catalogue had the name of William, but when I ordered the document and read it myself, the name was clearly Walter)
What if John Lanyen had been described as son and heir of Isabel Lanyen, daughter of Thomas Ruthfrey, or some such description, and this had been mangled slightly in transcribing the above document where John's father is called Thomas? Or should the other document be 'grandson and heir of Isabel'?
However, it is entirely possible John Lanyen and Isabel nee Ruthfrey had a son named Thomas, who then named his son John. But would Thomas marrying another Isabel would be a coincidence too far?
I could of course order the darn documents and look for myself, but my money is needed elsewhere, so I'm stuck with speculating at this point