Post by tenpoundpom on Jun 11, 2013 7:41:09 GMT -5
Ok, I've lost a couple of Trewhella girls. Any help in finding them appreciated. Specifically Nancy Trewhella (abt 1840 - ?) and Elizabeth Trewhella ( abt 1848 - ?), both daughters of John Trewhella (1801 - 1876) & Nancy Jelbart (1806 - 1866). I last find Nancy as a dressmaker in 1861 and Elizabeth as a grocer in 1871. Elizabeth Trewhella is recorded as an unmarried neice of Richard Stevens & Elizabeth in that census. I also cannot find a marriage of a Richard Stevens to an Elizabeth which connects to a Trewhella neice, but that is the least of my problems!
I can't say that I've rolled over every rock looking for Nancy & Elizabeth but if CT or anyone knows their fate beyond the dates I have, then I'd be very happy to have the information divulged.
Although connected, these Trewhellas are somewhat collateral to my initial post, so if if it is felt best to move it to another thread, it should be done by those who have the power!
Nancy = Nanny and she married Richard Nicholas 11 Apr 1869 at Sennen and it looks like Elizabeth died in 1871 Redruth RD ( which includes Phillack) 5c, 171 Jul quarter And I can confirm she died 15 July of Mount Pleasant, Phillack and she left a will which named Richard Stevens as exec.
Last Edit: Jun 11, 2013 9:33:16 GMT -5 by londoner
Nanny and Richard had 9 children baptised at Sennen of which three, Henry 1871, Henry 1880, Elizabeth 1882 died in infancy. Nanny died in 1913 and was buried 25th Aug of Mayon Cottage. (Mayon is at the top of Sennen not down in the Cove)
Post by tenpoundpom on Jun 12, 2013 8:36:20 GMT -5
Thanks to Londoner and CT for the information. Just the "leg up" I needed. I've chased up most of the records and can now remove Nancy(Nanny) and Elizabeth from my "Possible Alien Abduction" list.
While threshing around in the census records, I did find Richard Stevens in the 1851 census in Lelant. He is a son of John (abt 1799), a mine agent born in Zennor & Elizabeth (abt 1800) from Gwennap. He has brothers Henry (abt 1830), Andrew (abt 1833), David (abt 1834) and sisters Elizabeth (abt 1836) and Martha (abt 1838).
A mildly amusing find was a different Elizabeth Stevens whose occupation was transcribed as "boring domestic work". Alas it was not the droll humour of the ennumerator. The original image says "doing domestic work". Maybe it was the droll humour of the transcriber, but probably not!
Post by tenpoundpom on Jun 15, 2013 7:46:46 GMT -5
Christopher Trewhella (1851 - 1907), born Lelant, son of Martin Trewhella and Mary Roach, died Towednack. He has two legitimate children, Florence May Trewhella (1895) & Annie Philippa Trewhella (1901) with wife Minnie Hosking. Prior to marriage he seems to have had a bit of a fling with Alice Emma Pearce (b. 1854) and Angelina C. Pearce (? 1862), with a child from each relationship.
I'm curious if anyone has any further information about some of this stuff. In regards to the legitimate daughters I have Annie Phillipa migrating to South Africa, as a spinster in 1921. Florence, I'm not sure about, apart from being in the 1911 census with mother and sister.
I don't even know the gender of the child that Christopher and Alice Emma had, but likely born abt 1873. The male child to Angelina C. Pearce was born abt 1894. I'm not sure about the fate of these "base" children and their mothers. I've tried to track them but have not been successful. It is possible that Alice Emma migrated to the US in 1880 on the "Arizona" with her half sib, Charles Pearce, from a passenger list on Ancestry. No child was with her. Angelina may have married Alfred Mallett in 1914, but it is all circumstantial. Were Alice and Angelina sisters? I have Alice Emma as a daughter of James Pearce and Mary Jane Roach. I can't find a birth record for Angelina C Pearce, but there is one for Ann Pearce in 1862, daughter of James Pearce and Betsy Cundy (Allen)who is the second wife of James after Mary Jane dies. Maybe Ann/Angelina C. are the same?
Christopher did give some child support to his two illegitimate children, but he did dispute that he was the father of Alice Emma's child.
Anyway, my head is hurting from trying to work this all out, (various Roach names keep on coming up when you least expect it!). I do realize that the two illegitimate children may have died, gone to an orphanage, taken on another surname etc.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 15, 2013 8:34:01 GMT -5
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here and have never seen or heard about any pre-marital liaisons or illegitimate children for Christopher Trewhella. In fact I don't have either of these two Pearce girls in my database either.
Obviously you have found something so I would really appreciate the details including sources so that I can chase up on this a little further.
First thing for me will be to search out a little about the two girls and at least get them into the database.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 15, 2013 8:41:49 GMT -5
Some information on the legitimate daughters of Christopher Trewhella is also what you requested so here goes.
Annie Philippa did go to South Africa. She apparently married someone named Frank Wills but I have no details of the marriage other than his name. I understand there was a son - Vivian Trewhella Wills but have no more knowledge of her.
Florence Mary Trewhella married Stanley Semmens at Lelant 31st March 1920
I have an idea there might be information still 'in storage' about this family but what I have in the database is that Florence died at Benoni, South Africa. I don't have a date associated with that at the moment. Stanley Semmens died 2nd July 1971 and I believe is buried at Treslothan near Camborne.
One son Norman Roy Semmens baptised at Lelant 14th November 1926 married in South Africa and has descendants there. I have occasional correspondence with his daughter Gail Liss.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 15, 2013 10:01:07 GMT -5
Simon - I am extremely interested to hear what information you have about those illegitimate children. I now know who Alice Emma Pearce was and I think I may have just found Angelina but there is still more work to do.
In 1871 Alice was a servant to a Williams family at Ludgvan. In 1881 it appears Alice was a servant up in Plymouth however there has to be some doubt about this entry. Age given in 1881 is 36 when she would have beeon only 26 but after checking FreeBMD there is just one entry for a birth for an Alice Emma Pearce which is in 1854. Birthplace given at Plymouth in 1881 is St Ives so I do think it is the same girl but wrong age. There is no evidence of a child.
I have found an Angelena C Pearce in the 1871 Census. She was born at Constantine about 1867 but it looks like the birth was registered in the Penzance R.D. I think she may have been baptised Marazion Wesleyan Circuit but I need to go back and check that information. Parents appear to be Richard Pearce (b. St Buryan about 1835) and Jane Williams (b. Sancreed about 1837) who married at St Buryan in 1857.
There are just two birth registrations for Ang* Pearce prior to 1900 in the Penzance R.D. - one in 1854 and one in 1867. But wait ..... I just checked for births in all of Cornwall and found one that makes much more sense!!
Angelina Caroline Pearce born September Qtr 1867 Falmouth R.D. Vol 5c Page 201 - Constantine would be in the Falmouth R.D. so that matches the Census record with parents Richard and Jane.
I need to see if I can track this family a bit further and see if there might be any possible connection to Christopher Trewhella.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 15, 2013 18:57:00 GMT -5
Simon - I have now pieced together most of the family of Angelina Caroline Pearce. She was born at Constantine in 1867 and was the fifth of thirteen children of the two marriages of Richard Pearce. I won't go into the whole family right now but can supply what I have should you need it.
In 1891 Angelina and her sister Louisa (Mary Louisa) were at Penzance with their married sister Millicent Moon. And in 1911 Angelina was up at Bude employed as a servant. I have not yet been able to find Angelina in the 1901 Census but so far I have found no indication that she had a surviving child.
The one thing I can tell you about Alice Emma Pearce and Angelina Caroline Pearce is that they were certainly not sisters and very likely not even related. And that makes the problem you have outlined all the more curious.
I am having trouble finding/searching older posts, but I thought Alice Emma Pearce was the mother of the child Christopher Trewhella (son of John Trewhella and Nancy Jelbart) left behind in Cornwall. From page three of this thread and I think discussed elsewhere in the past??
Post by tenpoundpom on Jun 15, 2013 21:17:06 GMT -5
CT, Here are some slightly condensed transcripts of the newspaper reports regarding the two children. I’ll email the originals to you.
Re child with Alice Emma Pearce:
TREWHELLA v. PEARCE – This was an appeal against the decision of the Camborne justices, who, adjudging Christopher Trewhella to be the father of the illegitimate child of Alice Emma Pearce, ordered him to pay…… …it was contended that appellant, a farmer, of Lelant, used to visit her at her father’s estate, Polpear, Lelant, close to apellant’s farm. He was considered her sweetheart, offered her marriage, and seduced her, the result being the birth of the child. The defence was an attack on respondent’s character, and allegations that she had been guilty of impropriety with other men, amongst them a brother of the appellant…… The court unanimously agreed in supporting the order. - The West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser, October 16, 1873
Re child with Angelina C Pearce
AFFILIATION CASE – Christopher Trewhella, farmer , Trink, Lelant was summoned to the East Penwith petty sessions, at Camborne, on Tuesday, by Angelina C. Pearce, who alleged him to be the father of her child…..Mr Peter said paternity was admitted…Applicant said the male child was born at Illogan, October 13th…
-The Cornishman, January 31 1895
I've come back a little refreshed.....I MAY have found the child of Angelina. If the birth was registered at Redruth, which would be expected as the birth was at Illogan, then there are 4 possible male births, registered in the 4th quarter of 1894. Only one of these is in the baptism records on the OPC site. That is Harold Maxwell Pearce, and his parents are different, so he is eliminated. There is an Albert John Pearce and an Albert Pearce. Lastly there is William Claude Pearce. William Claude dies in February 1895, age 5 months and is buried in Illogan. The note on the burial record says, Adeline Pearce, Mother in charge, No service.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 16, 2013 5:48:51 GMT -5
Well, that is most interesting indeed! And the child with Angelina is even more interesting when you consider the birthdate ........
The details are reported in the newspaper dated 31st January 1895 and give a birthdate of 13th October which must presumably be 1894.
Christopher Trewhella and Minnie Hocking were married 13th June 1894.
I'm guessing the new Mrs Trewhella may have been just a little more than 'put out'!
What I have been able to find so far indicates no relationship between the two Pearce girls. As you suggested in your first post Alice Emma was the daughter of James Pearce and his first wife Mary Jane Roach and that family did live at Polpeor. Angelina is the curious one and I can only surmise that she must have been in service in the Lelant area for a period of time during the 1890s otherwise it is difficult to imagine her becoming acquainted with Christopher Trewhella.
I said in an earlier post that Angelina was with her married sister Millicent MOON at Penzance in 1891. In fact her sister's married name was MANN. That is the last I can find Angelina until the 1911 Census when she was a servant way up country at Bude.
Angelina Caroline Pearce was born at Budock and baptised at Constantine 13th October 1867 daughter of Richard Pearce and Jane (nee Williams). Richard and Jane were married at St Buryan 22nd June 1857 with St Buryan and Sancreed as their respective birthplaces. The first children were born at St Buryan and then a couple baptised at Constantine before settling at Budock where Richard was a farm bailiff. Jane died in 1879 and Richard then married Ursula Thomas Rogers in 1881.
So the closest I can place Angelina to Christopher Trewhella is in 1891 when she was at Penzance.
BTW - I just checked FreeBMD and it appears there is no Adeline Pearce recorded in Cornwall prior to 1894. That would tend to support the child buried at Illogan in 1895 being the possible son of Christopher Trewhella.
Post by tenpoundpom on Jun 23, 2013 8:07:23 GMT -5
Gradually working my way through some of the other records of the other children of Matthew Trewhella and Mary Roach. Grateful for any further insights/corrections.
I have Robert Roach Trewhella as being born in 1854 and dying in 1932. Married to the wonderfully named Tryphena Eddy who died in 1947. I've fathomed that this is Tryphena's second marriage, and I can't find that she had any children from either marriage...and she was getting on in years even in the first marriage.
John Trewhella was born in 1856. Married to Kate Trembath Curnow in 1882, but had a child beforehand leading to the birth of Matthew Trewhella Curnow in 1881. From what I can gather John died in an accident in a South African mine in 1889. It is reported that he had 5 children, but I can only find names for four. His youngest son William seems to have died in 1891 at the age of two. The other sons..Matthew (1881), John (1884) and Martin (1888) seem to have migrated to Canada/USA and Kate ended up there too, dying in British Columbia around 1947.
There were other children for Matthew Trewhella & Mary Roach, and I'm likely to bug you with some more queries about them when I sifted through the records!