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Post by sue on Jun 23, 2013 11:52:53 GMT -5
Hi
I have the death of Kate Trembath (Curnow) Trewhella from Canadian records as 5 November 1948 Rossland BC.
FindaGrave has her buried in Mountain View Cemetery (Kate Trembath Cobnol Trewhella) and has extrapolated son Matthew to be her spouse.........
You have a gap in the children of John & Kate between sons John & Martin.
How about Sampson Curnow Trewhella FBMD Mar Q 1886 Penzance RD., buried Towednack 10 March 1890 of Cripplease age 4? (OPC). Named for Kate's father.
Sue
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 23, 2013 14:57:57 GMT -5
Sue is quite correct - Sampson Curnow Trewhella is the missing child. Matthew became Matthew Trewhella and married Hettie Lory Nicholls at Colville, Washington, USA in 1907. He died at Rossland, BC in 1919 of influenza and was buried at Columbia Cemetery, Rossland. Four children and I have met descendants of at least one of them when I was in the US. John Trewhella was killed at Arras in France 8th October 1918 and his name can be found on the Queant Memorial. (Commonwealth War Graves Commission website.) Martyn/Martin Trewhella married Helen Nicholls (sister to Hettie) at Deadwood, South Dakota in 1911. They had just one son, William John, and I stayed with his son David Jackie Trewhella for a few days when I was over there in 1994. Martin died at Lead, SD, in 1933 of 'Pulmonary Haemorrhage as a consequence of Pulmonary Tuberculosis'. That is a 'skeletal view' but I can elaborate more on these families later if you want the information. I do have some work to do on some of them when I get the chance to sift through the information I received from Canada last year. As for the rest - annoy at will! CT
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Post by tenpoundpom on Jun 23, 2013 20:08:31 GMT -5
Sue & CT
Thanks for the help
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Post by tenpoundpom on Oct 8, 2013 8:49:03 GMT -5
Time for some more annoying!
Gradually working my way through some more Trewhella connections. So we have James Trewhella (Dec, 1815) son of Matthew Trewhella and Martha Daniel who married Ann Trewhella (abt 1814), daughter of William Trewhella and Catherine Trewheela, in Feb 1840 at Towednack. I have found 8 children from that marriage..Catherine(1842), James(1844), Matthew(1846), Martha (1848), William (1849), John (1852), Mary Jane (1854) and Margaret (1856). The family settled at St Erth at Treganhorne. These children were not very productive in the next generation as far as I can determine. James, at somewhat of a ripe age, married Elizabeth Passmore Thomas, and had 2 children (James & William John). His sister Catherine Ann had a child in 1879, Herbert Vosper Trewhella, but I can find no other children or marriages from this Treganhorne group.
Is there anything known more about Herbert Vosper Trewhella? I have him marrying Christian Symons in 1902, and I likely find him on a passenger list later that year going to the Cape with his wife on the "Guelph". Occupation "Driver", His age, and occupation and his wife's age fit with the parish marriage record at Hayle.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 9, 2013 3:28:54 GMT -5
Not at all! Firstly - the two sons of James and Elizabeth Passmore Trewhella both married. James had a daughter and William John had three sons but as I think all are still living I won't offer anything further here. Herbert Vosper Trewhella was born at Phillack 18th June 1879 and baptised at Wheal Alfred Wesleyan Chapel 16th February 1881. He married Christian Symons at St Elwyn, Hayle, 11th January 1902 and died at Natal, South Africa in 1965. Christian died at Natal in 1970. There was one son from this marriage - Joseph Herbert Trewhella. He was born 9th July 1904 and baptised 23rd August 1904 at Foundry Wesleyan Chapel, Hayle. He died at Natal in 1967. Unfortunately that is about all I know of the family at the moment although I think I might have a couple of other snippets hidden away in files for later processing. CT
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Post by tenpoundpom on Oct 11, 2013 4:01:00 GMT -5
Thanks CT for the info re Herbert Vosper Trewhella. I was curious that the son of Herbert and Christian was born in England, given that I had deduced that Herbert and Christian had emmigrated to South Africa in 1902.
So I thought a slightly closer examination of the passenger records was in order!
Passenger records show Mrs H. Trewhella disembarking unaccompanied at Southampton on 27 Feb 1904 from Africa on the "Kildoman Castle", so I suspect that she returned home for the birth. There is a record of a Mrs Trewhella and her son (Master Trewhella) departing from Southampton on the "Saxon" for the Cape on 28 January 1905. Her age is recorded as 29 and the boy as 1. Christian would have been 21 at the time. The original image clearly shows the age as 29, so not a transcription error.
Whether or not this is the record for Christian and the son getting back to Africa, she has to get back to Africa sometime in the next few years for my next scenario to take place!
Possibly completely incorrect scenario.....
She falls pregnant again, and then again returns to Cornwall (with her son Joseph Herbert in tow) around 1910 for the birth. As yet I haven't found a passenger record for Christian's return to confirm this hypothesis. Nevertheless there is a record of Mr H. V. Trewhella, from the Cape, arriving on the "Kenilworth Castle" at Southampton 14 May 1910. The record shows him as an Engine driver, travelling unaccompanied.
Next there is a record of Mr H. Trewhella, Mrs Trewhella, Master Trewhella and Miss Trewhella travelling from Southampton to Capetown on the "Kenilworth Castle" on 6 August 1910. Mr H.'s occupation is stated as Engine driver. Also on board are two Symons, Symons being Christian's maiden name.
My suspicion is that Herbert Vosper Trewhella travelled to England to accompany his wife and chidren, and a couple of in-laws back to Capetown.
If he did have a daughter then it should be recorded in the civil registration records. I find a Gwendoline Trewhella recorded in the the first quarter of 1910 in Redruth(RD). There was another Gwendoline Trewhella (b. 1909, Devon), who persists in the records, but the Redruth Gwendoline Trewhella disapears. No 1911 census record and no death record, so I suspect that the Redruth Gwendoline was the "Miss Trewhella" who was on the "Kenilworth Castle" in 1910.
No doubt a birth certificate for Gwendoline would clarify the issue. Curious as I am, I'm not sure that I'm 9 pounds 25 p curious!
I'm sure that CT will let me know if I've made a complete balllsup!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 11, 2013 15:24:03 GMT -5
Well .... I don't think it is necessary for me to go into any long in-depth discussion on this one just now! Gwendoline Trewhella was born at Gwinear in 1910. I do not have a baptism record or birth certificate for her but I do know that she was the daughter of John Perry Trewhella and his Australian-born wife Elizabeth Ellen Stacey. 'Gwennie' can be found at Gwinear in 1911 along with her recently widowed mother Elizabeth and four siblings. That certainly upsets the theory! I have not yet attempted to sort out the many passengers to/from South Africa largely because they are generally recorded merely by first initial and surname. The fact that South African records are so hard to come by is also a hindrance in identifying many of these people. I guess it would be too much to ask that ages of these passengers might have been recorded?? CT
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Post by tenpoundpom on Oct 11, 2013 18:16:53 GMT -5
Well .... I don't think it is necessary for me to go into any long in-depth discussion on this one just now! Gwendoline Trewhella was born at Gwinear in 1910. I do not have a baptism record or birth certificate for her but I do know that she was the daughter of John Perry Trewhella and his Australian-born wife Elizabeth Ellen Stacey. 'Gwennie' can be found at Gwinear in 1911 along with her recently widowed mother Elizabeth and four siblings. That certainly upsets the theory! I have not yet attempted to sort out the many passengers to/from South Africa largely because they are generally recorded merely by first initial and surname. The fact that South African records are so hard to come by is also a hindrance in identifying many of these people. I guess it would be too much to ask that ages of these passengers might have been recorded?? CT Oh well. Some of the theory blown! There are no adult ages stated. Master Trewhella and Miss Trewhella are listed as children between 1 and 12. All the Trewhellas are listed on the one line so I assume a family group. I guess Miss Trewhella could have been born in South Africa, and the mother taken the children to England for a family visit (if it is the same family!)
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 12, 2013 3:18:48 GMT -5
Yep, that is the problem ..... Is it the same family? CT
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Post by tenpoundpom on Oct 12, 2013 4:56:07 GMT -5
Yep, that is the problem ..... Is it the same family? CT I think it is the same family, based on the occupation of the Trewhella male, "Engine driver" in the records where he is recorded as "Mr H. Trewhella" and "Mr H.V. Trewhella". There could not have been too many Trewhella Engine drivers around that time, especially with those initials! If it's not the same family, I've at least learned a little bit more about research.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 12, 2013 9:58:19 GMT -5
'Engine driver' in those days probably still meant the man responsible for the mine engine so there would have been a few about. And you might well have the right family but because you have a 'Mr H Trewhella' on the one hand and 'Mr H V Trewhella' on the other there is the possibility that two different men are involved. And then there is the problem of the age of Mrs Trewhella - recorded as age 29 when she would have been only 21! More investigating to be done here methinks! If I can clear some of my other work out of the way and find a bit of time to spare I will try to take a closer look at any other information I might have hidden away. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 25, 2013 0:56:14 GMT -5
Well, I now know just a little bit more! Courtesy of FamilySearch I found the marriage of Joseph Herbert Trewhella amongst the newer South African records:- 13th June 1931 at Durban, Durban District, Natal Province Joseph Herbert Trewhella age 28, bachelor of 126 Rosetta Rd, Durban, born England, occupation Elecrrician Florence Winifred Smith (nee Hugo) age 28 of Chelmsford Road, Durban, born Natal, divorcee (final order filed) Married by Special Licence No 31861 dated 13.6.31 with Antenuptial Contract Florence had previously married Cecil Courtney Smith, a coach builder, at Holy Trinity Church, Sea View, 20th December 1921 by Banns CT
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Post by tenpoundpom on Oct 25, 2013 23:42:24 GMT -5
Thanks, I had found that marriage record, but not the details of Florence's previous marriage.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 26, 2013 4:18:31 GMT -5
There might be another possibility for 'Mr H Trewhella'. There is a Mr R H Trewhella with a wife (Mrs S) and two children, including 'Master Trewhella' heading for Antofogasta, Chile in about 1909. It is conceivable that he may have also ventured to other parts of the World from time to time.
I think he is Richard Hugh Greene Trewhella who married Sophia Carter at Illogan in 1897. He had a son, Hedley Thornton Trewhella, and a daughter, Enid Dorothy. He was a blacksmith but it is possible he had other occupations from time to time.
CT
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Post by tenpoundpom on Nov 8, 2013 23:44:20 GMT -5
Another hope I've got right query! Looking at John Trewhella (bpt 1 May 1796, Towednack), son of Matthew Trewhella and Alice Trewhella. Does he marry Ann Thomas in 1823, then go and live in Halsetown St Ives (1841 census) where he is a miner? Then dies in 1850 and is buried in Lelant. Wife continues to live in St Ives and dies in 1862. If I have got the marriage correct, there seem to be no children.
Thanks!
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