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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 9, 2013 1:39:45 GMT -5
Yes, yes, yes .................. and NO! Yes he married Ann Thomas in 1823 and there were no children. Yes, I suspect that is him in 1841 at Halsetown. (Without actually checking all my Census records!) Yes he died in 1850 and was buried at Lelant 10th April 1850 'of Trelion. St Ives age 54'. NO - Ann did not die in 1862! Ann Trewhella of Treloyan, age 83, was buried at Lelant 5th May 1874. The Ann Trewhella in 1862 was age 66 and buried at St Buryan 6th December 1862. She was baptised Anne Berriman daughter of John and Margaret (nee Strick) Berriman 3rd May 1793 at St Buryan. She married Edward Trewhela at St Buryan 29th March 1813. Edward Trewhela was son of Thomas Trewhela and Martha (nee Blewett) and was born at Crowan in 1793. Edward died at Gwinear in 1817 and was buried at Crowan without producing any children. After Edward died Ann had three children, presumably to different fathers. Uriah Samuel Trewhela was baptised at St Buryan 1st July 1821 and buried at Falmouth 8th November 1821. Theophilus Trewhela was born at St Buryan about 1826. He came to Australia and married Elizabeth Hill at Buninyong, Victoria, 11th December 1858. Sophia was baptised at Gwinear 6th September 1829 and married John Berryman at St Just 5th October 1855. She and John came to Australia soon after the marriage and had two very short-lived sons born in Victoria. The name was generally recorded in Cornwall as Trewhela but was always Trewhella in Australia. Descendants of Theophilus are still living in Victoria. CT
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Post by tenpoundpom on Jun 1, 2014 6:59:18 GMT -5
CT, Thanks for confirming Ann Cock's birth deatils and the existence of Ann. I've been trying to work out the grandchildren of William Trewhella and Ann Cock. 1.Anne Trewhella & Richard Morrish (m 1791, Zennor) Anne Morrish (1792) Richard Morrish (1793) Elizabeth Morrish (1795-1796)post hoc addition - thanks CT Elizabeth Murrish (1797) William Morrish (1799) Thomas Murrish (1801) Matthew Murrish (1803) Jane Murrish (1806) Job Murrish (1809) Simon I know that there are other threads which touch upon these cousins, and there was one by CT which helped sort out the marriage locations, but I just want to make sure I've not made too many mistakes, or missed too many children! Anne Morrish marries Thomas Treloar, a widowed miller in 1810 at Zennor. After 10 years of marriage they have an only child, Elizabeth Murish Treloar (born 10 Apr 1820) who marries Thomas Woolcock. Richard Morrish marries Grace Drew in 1826 at St Ives. The children I have are Jane Drew Morris (1827), John Morris (1828), Richard Morris (1831), Grace Morris (1832), William Morris (1834), Grace Morris (1836) and Thomas Morris (1840-1842) Both Elizabeths died before adulthood I have William marrying Marianne Stevens in 1829 at Redruth. I find 3 children - William Morrish (1835), Anna Maria Morrish (1837) and Mathew (1839) Thomas - MIA Matthew marries Margaret Pearce in 1836 at St Ives. Children are (surname recorded as Morris) - Richard (1837), Margaret (1839), Elizabeth (1842), Mathew (1846), James (1848) and Martha (1852) Jane Murrish marries John Cogar in 1837 at St Ives. There are 4 children - Nancy (1838), William John (1840-1842), William J. ((1845) and Richard M (1848). Jane dies in 1860. John Cogar ends up in the Bristol City workhouse. William J. and Richard M. are servants in the household of their cousin Elizabeth Woolcock in 1861! Job Murrish marries Nancy Cogar at St Ives in 1832. There is a son Job Morris who is born about 3 months after marriage. I suspect Nancy died shortly after marriage, and possibly neither Job lived for a long time either. Corrections and missing pieces gratefully received! Thanks Simon
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 1, 2014 16:29:20 GMT -5
- halfway through a reply to this and the *(&^%() POWER FAILED! Okay, let's start again! Hmmm - and what about 'Henry son of Thomas and Ann Trelore' baptised 17th June 1810 at Lelant Henry went on to marry Elizabeth Curnow at Ludgvan 29th June 1833. William Morris, bachelor, married Maria Stevens of St Ives 14th September 1829 Redruth and had the following children:- Ann Morris bp. 15th July 1831 St Ives William Morris bp. 14th October 1833 Redruth and buried 24th November 1833 Redruth William Morris bp. 12th October 1834 Redruth Anna Maria Morris bp. 28th November 1836 Redruth Matthew Morris born about 1838 Redruth I cannot be certain about this but given William married at Redruth in 1829 I think the following is a possibility:- Thomas Morris, bachelor, married Jane Bishop, spinster 19th May 1825 Redruth by Banns Thomas s/o Thomas and Jane Morris of Town, miner baptised 13th November 1825 Redruth Jane d/o Thomas and Jane Morris of North Downs, miner baptised 6th April 1828 Redruth Richard s/o Thomas and Jane Morris of Redruth, miner baptised 7th March 1830 Redruth John s/o Thomas and Jane Morris of Gwennap Parish, miner baptised 29th September 1833 Redruth (John Maurice of Highway age 1-1/3 years buried 30th January 1835 Redruth) I can't find any of this family beyond this so the link to Richard and Ann cannot be verified but it does look a reasonable possibility. Nancy Morris of St Ives age 24 was buried at St Ives 14th August 1832 I have not found any further information on the son as yet but Job Morris(h), now a widower, was at Crowlas in 1841 with the family of Martin and Sarah Trewhella. And then:- 17th July 1843 Ludgvan by Banns Job Morris, widower, of full age, miner (son of Richard Morris, miner) Mary Nicholas, spinster, of full age (daughter of William Nicholas, miner) Witnesses - Gideon W Semmens, James Bennatts I have no record of Job after this marriage but I do know he died prior to the 1861 Census at which time Mary (2nd wife) was recorded as a widow and living with her mother Christiana Nicholas at Ludgvan. (The little dears at Ancestry show Mary as 'Mary Mersch"! ) (The name is a little difficult but although not much better it does look to me like either 'Merish' or 'Morish') And Mary gradually got younger as the years went by. She was baptised at Ludgvan in 1820, in 1861 she was 39 and by the 1881 and 1891 Census her projected birth year had crept up to about 1825. She was recorded as age 71 when she died in 1896. 1851 is very difficult as the image is so bad but I think I have found Mary at Ludgvan. Ancestry has transcribed the surname as MIRELES and the Cornwall Online Census Project transcript shows it as MICHELL. But I am inclined to think it is actually Mary Morrish especially as we find Citty Nicholas, widower, age 60 and Sarah Nicholas, unmarried, age 24, living in the adjoining household. These would be the mother and sister of Mary who is recorded as being age 30 and married. Therefore Job Morris(h) was apparently still alive in 1851 but died sometime during the next 10 years. Hope that helps a little. CT
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Post by tenpoundpom on Jun 2, 2014 7:42:39 GMT -5
- halfway through a reply to this and the *(&^%() POWER FAILED! Hope that helps a little. CT Much more than a little help! Good to have a terrier rounding up missing children and wives. . I honestly don't think I would have found Henry Trelore (Treloar) without your input. A little extra homework today shows that he is mentioned as a son in Thomas's will (witnessed by William Trewhella, farmer of Gulval!). Henry dies in 1863 in Geelong it seems. Some more trails for me to examine. Re Maria(nne) Stevens..the OPC marriage transcription has her as Marianne. Not looked at the original parish record image (shame on me!), but agree that she is Maria in the one census record I checked. Did not discover the second marriage of Job Morris, so thanks again for that. Seems I have a little more work to do Thanks Simon
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 2, 2014 11:04:33 GMT -5
I have now sent a correction to the OPC site to change the name from Marianne to Maria Stevens.
Re Thomas Treloar - I have not seen his Will so would be interested if you have a copy.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 2, 2014 11:15:19 GMT -5
What leads you to that conclusion? I can find only death entries that bear any similarity:- John Henry Treloar son of Bennett and Elizabeth age 11 - died 1863 (born Maldon) Henry TRAILOR age 45 parents unknown - died 1863 (born Cornwall) In 1863 the place of death was not recorded in the index and there appear to be no other records in Victoria that might be for Henry or his family. CT
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Post by tenpoundpom on Jun 2, 2014 18:18:07 GMT -5
Re Thomas Treloar - I have not seen his Will so would be interested if you have a copy. CT Does your Ancestry sub give you access to PCC wills and the England & Wales National Probate calender? If so Thomas's full will is in the PCC wills (I'm having a go at transcribing it!), and Henry's Probate record is in the National Probate calender. Probate was granted 28 March 1872 to the widow Elizabeth Treloar of Gulval. Henry's occupation is a miller (as per 1851 census where he is living next door to his father). Date of death 27 July 1863, Geelong, Colony of Victoria. If you don't have access to those records, T'll send you copies of both. Let me know, Simon
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 3, 2014 10:28:27 GMT -5
Ah yes. I now have copies of both thanks. I will need to peruse the information later as, apart from a meeting I had to attend, I got side-tracked and began collecting more PCC Wills for my collection! CT
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Post by camila on Aug 19, 2015 21:25:31 GMT -5
There might be another possibility for 'Mr H Trewhella'. There is a Mr R H Trewhella with a wife (Mrs S) and two children, including 'Master Trewhella' heading for Antofogasta, Chile in about 1909. It is conceivable that he may have also ventured to other parts of the World from time to time. I think he is Richard Hugh Greene Trewhella who married Sophia Carter at Illogan in 1897. He had a son, Hedley Thornton Trewhella, and a daughter, Enid Dorothy. He was a blacksmith but it is possible he had other occupations from time to time. CT Hello, Richard Hugh Greene Trewhella was my great grandfather. He came to South America and lived in Bolivia until his death. He traveled with his son Hedley who also lived there until his death. Richard had four more children, one of them was my grandad Alberto who moved to Chile to study. He married and went back to Bolivia but finallly, after 10 years he returned to Chile. He had three daughters who live in Chile, one of them my mother. I have cousins aswell. The other children of Richard stayed in Bolivia one of them died and two of them are alive. Only one had children who is now even a great grandfather. So the Trewhella family has members in Chile and Bolivia. I don't know if this information is useful for you. This is just a little summary. If you need to know more, I' ll be glad to help you with what I know. I am very interested in knowing more about my background and it history, and I'd appreciate if you could help me. Camila Ortiz Trewhella.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 20, 2015 4:42:01 GMT -5
Hello Camila and a hearty Welcome to this site! I am certainly most interested in hearing more of your side of the Trewhella family as I know nothing of them after 1911. I think it would be a good idea if we consider corresponding offline with some of this as we will be dealing with events about living people. We can discuss the emigration of the family and some details of the early days in South America including some of the children but personal details of living people should be discussed privately. Do you know of the other Trewhela family in Chile? Thomas Trewhela and Lucy Sullivan migrated in the early 1850s and lived around Valparaiso and Talcahuano. I visited some of the family in Chile back in 1994. Look forward to further discussion with you and I will help with details of the family back in Cornwall. CT
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Post by kernowmaid on Jul 11, 2016 14:31:35 GMT -5
Cant find the thread, but I am ancestry hunting for my friend Mary knee. Her grandfather is Richard hugh Greene trewhella. She knew her uncle, Hedley, went to Bolivia but not her grandfather, yet alone that he had four other children, half siblings to her mother Enid Dorothy. She was very excited! If you have any details or know of anyone I could contact, that would be great. Yours, Penny Miners.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 11, 2016 15:58:41 GMT -5
Hi Penny and Welcome to the site. I have not yet managed to catch up with those additional children of Richard Hugh Trewhella so I may not be able to help you directly just yet. However as Trewhella is my own family and my main research interest I would like to know more about this side of the family. All I know at the moment, apart from the post about the additional children in South America, is that Richard Hugh Greene Trewhella and wife Sophia had two children - Hedley and Enid. I know that Hedley died in Bolivia in 1964 but currently have nothing more in my database. And I know that Enid married Frederick D Knee but I only have two sons for her in my records. But that is probably only because when I initially worked on this family the records were rather more scarce and difficult to obtain than they are today. I would like to find out more about this family and especially the South American links as I am planning to do a major review and overhaul of my database and would like to get all of my information accurate. It is possible I have more information stored away here as I have been hunting and gathering everything I could find for a number of years in preparation for the review. If there is anything you or Mary would like to know about the Trewhella families please let me know. If I get the opportunity over the next few days I may start looking at what records are available for Bolivia and surrounds and see if I can find anything the help us. CT
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Post by kernewesmaid on Jul 15, 2016 15:55:17 GMT -5
Thank you for answering, Mary is very interested. Sadly her brother Jeffrey in Kent died this week. There were four children, Jeffrey 1931, Mary 1942, David 1932 lives in Kent also and Peter 1934. Frederick the father owned Knees the department store in Penzance, Helston and Hayle(I think). Mary remembers her grandmother Sophia, her ancestors are the carters of Prussia Cove (king of Prussia cove. Presumably Sophia didn't go or stay in Bolivia. I think they went to Bolivia to mine and presumably met someone else. We would love to find out more about these Trewhellas as they would be Mary's cousins. look forward to hearing from you.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 15, 2016 21:40:36 GMT -5
Sophia died in the Penzance registration district in the September Qtr of 1953 at the age of 75. I don't have the full details and don't know just yet exactly where she died. Something else I only just noticed that I had not picked up on before might also be of interest. Richard Hugh Greene Trewhella had four brothers and a sister. The sister, Jessie Ann, was married twice and died in 1961 at Penzance whilst brother Edmund Henry remained in the Land's End area and died at St Buryan in 1938. Edward Hedley died at Madron in 1873 age just 10 months. But it is the remaining two brothers that are of more interest at the moment. Hedley Vicar Trewhella died at Valparaiso, Chile 2nd May 1901 age 27. I think I have a little more information on him here somewhere but it may take some time to find. William John Trewhella, the eldest, married Charlotte Rezzie Rodway at St Buryan in 1896 and had three daughters. But he also went to Bolivia! He died at Pairumani 1st December 1910 .............. and I only just picked up on it!!! We can have further discussions here but there will be some information that would be better discussed offline - either via Private Message through this forum or by email. But right now I need some sleep so hopefully we can catch up a little later on. CT
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Post by camila on Aug 6, 2016 13:24:10 GMT -5
Hello, I'm very sorry I couldn't reply to the comments. I assumed that after I wrote I would get a notification to my email in case someone answers or something. But now I read all of these! Is there a way we can get in contact to tell you what I know? And I have some questions too! To me it would be easier to write or talk in a more instantaneous way, since my English is not perfect. Anyway now I'll be paying attention to this website in case you reply.
Camila.
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