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Post by chris on Mar 26, 2014 5:32:10 GMT -5
CT, Edward Ralph and Honora on IGI, christened Edward 26/2/1687.So Anora could well have been Honora,probably Honour?Shocking spelling? Miracle if you are right.The name Henry does filter through the St Erth line from an Edward. There is an Edward who fathered James 1683 that died 1684 Helston but I assumed he was the one who married Willmet Ton on OPC about 1680? Still chipping. Once again,Thank You sooooooooooo much for your help!!!! Kind Regards Chris
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Post by chris on Mar 26, 2014 6:23:54 GMT -5
CT, There is a Will AP/R/143 Edmund Ralph of Constantine 1609/10 manuscript 2 pieces.If this is the correct line it goes possibly Edmund 1550-1610 approx., Edmond appox 1575- 1635 ??, Edward 1600-1660,?? Edward 1629 - 1690,Henry 1677-1641..All pie in the sky so far. Why did Henry call his firstborn Richard and not Edward? Chris.
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Post by chris on Mar 26, 2014 6:25:15 GMT -5
Henry 1677-1741.Sorry.
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Post by chris on Mar 26, 2014 17:21:35 GMT -5
CT- There is a Henry Raff on OPC baptised 1713,parents Richard and Alice, Anthony in Meneage.Possibly Richard is another son of Edward and Honora? So Edward Raff,Ralph baptised 26/2/1687 to burial Marazion 4/1/1738? Henry Raf,Ralph baptised 10/2/1677 to burial Marazion 3/8/1741 ? Richard Raff,Ralph born about 1686 ? to burial ? Looks like the Edward that married Wm or William,I think its Willmet Ton 1680 Helston is probably a separate line of Ralphs?from the St Anthony in Meaneage Ralph's. Chris
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Post by chris on Mar 27, 2014 20:45:49 GMT -5
CT-Any thoughts on this lot?There was an Honor Ralfe Widow buried at Constantine 2/1/1725.No other Ralfes buried there that I could find. There is an Edward Ralph buried 16/12/1724 Erth St. Edward Ralph of Helston buried 6/4/1734 and Wellmet of Helston 10/5/1731.This would be Edward and Wellmet Ton who married about 1680/1?in Wendron. An Edmond Ralph married Charity Welcome 1650 in Wendron.So probably father of Edward of Helston. Looks like possibly ,Edward and Honor may have moved to St Erth from St Anthony in Meneage about 1690,that would put Henry closer to Marazion.?There is an Alice that was buried 5/8/1734 Marazion Widow of Richard Ralph.Richard possibly the brother of Henry? Is this leading me down the garden path into the ridiculous relm.Any thoughts most appreciated. Chris.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 27, 2014 22:18:18 GMT -5
Chris - you really do need to slow down that horse! You are all over the place once again and throwing names, dates and places in all directions which is only serving to confuse the matter more than it already was! Take each little 'confirmed' family group one at a time and spend some time building up a 'knowledge base' for each. (i.e. family members confirmed by baptism dates, burials where there is sufficient information provided to identify the individuals (e.g. 'son of ...'), and likely marriages where there is enough information to suggest the probable link.) Once you have done that for each little family group you nned to sit back, take a deep breath and rest. After that go back to square one and check the information you have built up for each of these little groups. By doing this you will identify gaps where other children 'might' belong and you should also have an idea of Parishes each group might be involved in. (e.g. a family at St Anthony in Meneage might baptise children in the adjacent Parishes such as Manaccan or St Keverne.) Patterns may begin to evolve and possible geographical boundaries might become apparent for at least some families. There are other things such as collection information from Wills, CRO Catalogue references etc. that can be looked at in depth a little later. Once all this is done you can then stop and take another breath before reviewing all the information again. By this time it might hopefully be becoming more apparent where your Henry might belong! And one more piece of advice - Park that bull in a very secure enclosure ...... the fences and the china shop have suffered far too much damage already! CT
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Post by chris on Apr 4, 2014 1:32:20 GMT -5
CT- The bull is on a short leash. So far I have Edward and Onora had 2 kids in St Anthony in Meneage.Henry baptised 1677,his only recorded brother. Edward baptised 1687 married Elizabeth Hannah of Gwinear and they had.Ambrose baptised19/3/1709,base child,Stephen15/10/1712,Mary3/4/17,William 18/8/1717,Henry 24/4/1720christened 27/4/1720,Jane 15/4/1723 baptised 18/4/1723.They show up in St Erth.Also an Edward Ralph married Christian,in St Erth about 1743 so he would be born about 1718?, he could possibly be another son of Edward and Elizabeth. There is a Richard Ralph that married Alice Rowe and fathered a Henry 7/4/1713 and Richard 13/6/1714 St Anthony in Meneage.Not sure how he fits? Chris.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 5, 2014 1:05:27 GMT -5
Well it is either a very strong bull or the rope, chain or knot was not up to the task because you've done it again!!! - ASSUME Where did this marriage occur? Did you even bother to try and find it? Ambros son of Edward Ralph and Elizabeth Hannah of Gwinear was baptised at St Erth 19th March 1709 and he may be the Ambros Ralph buried at St Erth 9th October 1729. BUT Edward Ralph and Elizabeth Hannah were never married! I do not know who this Elizabeth Hannah was and can find no baptism, marriage or burial for her but she most certainly DID NOT marry Edward Ralph - this was merely ANOTHER assumption on your partI keep trying to tell you to SLOW DOWN, and STOP ASSUMING! You need to check out each piece of information as thoroughly as possible in order to work out which particular Ralph family you are dealing with. Work slowly and build a picture of each of the families until, preferably, you are able to show at least a skeletal outline of three or four generations for each. Doing this might hopefully give you a better idea of where your Henry might fit into the overall scheme of things. Now then - IF YOU HAD TAKEN THE TIME to check on the marriage of Edward Ralph you would find:- Edward Ralph & Mary Tonken were married 30th October 1711 at St ErthStephen son of Edward Ralph baptised 15th October 1712 St Erth Mary daughter of Edward Ralph baptised 3rd April 1715 St Erth William son of Edward Ralph baptised 18th August 1717 St Erth Henry son of Edward Ralph baptised 24th April 1720 St Erth Jane daughter of Edward Ralph baptised 15th Akpril 1723 St Erth And if you took the time to look further at St Erth you would find, for example, that a John Ralph baptised a child at St Erth also in 1720. It is entirely possible that this John Ralph might have been a brother, or at least a cousin, to Edward so pursuing that line of research would help you build up a better picture of this family. Further research at St Erth would also show:- Jane daughter of Edward Ralph was buried 1st day of July 1724 St Erth Edward Ralph was buried 15th December 1724 St Erth You would also find that this last entry is very confusing as 8 burials from 1724 (including the burial of Edward Ralph) are repeated for 1725. Possibly the Bishops Transcripts might be of help here but I do not have them. Later records indicate this Edward Ralph buried in 1724 or 1725 was the husband of Mary Tonken and father of the above children. Another interesting point from this is the names of the children, in particular the sons - Stephen, William and Henry! Something more for you to think about! MORE ASSUMPTIONS!!! and NO TIME taken to investigate further ! Henry Ralph and Christian Murley were married 21st August 1742 St ErthEdward son of Henry Ralph and Christian his wife was baptised 7th July 1743 St Erth Edward Ralph infant was buried at St Erth 12th March 1743/4 St Erth I think you will find that Henry was the son of Edward and Mary. Once again SLOW DOWN!!!! You need to concentrate on one family or Parish at a time so make up your mind whether you are going to sort out the Ralphs at St Erth or go wandering off again back to St Anthony or Crowan or ..................... !!!! CT
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Post by chris on Apr 5, 2014 2:11:58 GMT -5
Hi CT,Thank you for clearing that up. Edward Ralph that married Welmet or Wilmot Ton about 1680 is obviously a different Edward Raf,Ralph to the one who had kids to Onora. The Bull assumes once again that Edward that married Mary Tonkin ?( Tonkin? in son of Ton) in Cornish I read somewhere.The question?Do you think this is the son of which Edward? An Edward Ralph buried a son 12/5/1692. Lost Bull.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 5, 2014 3:02:54 GMT -5
Chris - at the moment I have no idea. That is why you need to settle down and spend time on some slow, painstaking and CAREFUL research to try and find some answers.
CT
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Post by chris on Apr 6, 2014 2:07:44 GMT -5
CT- It does have in family search collections Elizabeth Hannah as ( spouse! of Edward Ralph) on Ambrose Hannah's baptism 1709.Thats where I got confused.I had assumed the same Edward then married Mary Tonken or should I say.... Assuming nothing, possibly the same Edward then married Mary Tonkin 1711. Chris
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Post by chris on Apr 6, 2014 2:53:17 GMT -5
CT- Honor Ralfe buried 2/1/1725 Constantine has notes (widdow.)Your comment later records indicate this Edward 1724/5 was the husband of Mary Tonken. There seems to be no burial record for Onora's or Honors husband unless it is one of the 1724/5 Edwards.They are both Dec 16th so probably the same guy.Edward burial 1734 Helston is possibly Edward that married Wellmet 1680 about.Then we have Edward burial 1737 Marazion? All confusing?
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Post by chris on Apr 6, 2014 5:26:22 GMT -5
CT- The most probable candidate for Edward Ralph that married Mary Tonken 30/10/1711 is the one born 1687 St Anthony in Meneage. The other Edward born about 1690 to Edward and Wilmot Ton died 1692 Helston so that was the last Edward for their direct kids I could find.The .No other Edwards seem to fit the timeline? I found on contributed an Edward Ralph married 2/7/1599 Mary Willows St Erth,but am dubious of these contributed records. Also an Edmond Raph had Elizabeth 22/9/1657.Also another contributed Edward Raf,Raph christening 23/5/1654 Wendron with he married Onora 1677. P.S the Bull is getting very hard to keep on the leash. Chris
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 8, 2014 6:07:37 GMT -5
That really says it all doesn't it! Seems you are simply not prepared or willing to take advice that is aimed at helping yourself ...................... I have tried!!
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Post by chris on Apr 8, 2014 16:34:04 GMT -5
CT- Thank you for your advice. Its very much appreciated!!
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