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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 20, 2014 14:05:58 GMT -5
It might well 'fit' as you say ...... BUT that does not mean that it is so! In the case of this Richard Mitchell every record so far places him at Gwinear with no mention of St Hilary. Now St Hilary is only a couple of Parishes distant from Gwinear but there were also Mitchells at St Hilary including Thomas, Ralph, Sampson, Robert and John who were all baptising children at St Hilary between 1676 (and probably earlier) and 1700. As I said in an earlier post it is most unusual for a first son to be named after a maternal grandmother. That honour usually goes to the father or the paternal grandfather in which case I still lean, at this time, to Richard being the name of Henry's father. I also mentioned the possibility that Margaret's father might also have been a Richard but he could equally have been Thomas, Ralph, Sampson or Robert as mentioned above. (John's first child at St Hilary was 1691 so perhaps a bit late.) AND there is still the issue of missing registers for St Hilary prior to around 1683 to be considered! So work on the Gwinear names mentioned in those Leases to see if anything useful can be found but DO NOT jump to conclusions! CT
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Post by chris on Mar 20, 2014 20:04:22 GMT -5
CT- In Henry Bennett's Will,Husbandman of Marazion,proved 26/4/1711.Henery R Ralf is named as a witness.The R is of interest? Henry Ralph is also a witness on Ralph Freethy's Will 1716.Possibly our Henry as a Freethy girl married a Ralph later on. There is a sort of Will on a Henry Ralfe mariner of Helston 1743.The Will is about Eleanor his wife claiming his chattels basically,nothing else. Maybe ,just maybe he is the father of Henry?He would be in his 80's? though if he was. Henry on OPC died 1741 and was married to Margaret?not an Eleanor.Odd? Mr Richard and Mrs Jane Ralph died 1746 Wendron.No record for Elizabeth Ralph unless its the one about 1725 St Just in Roseland St. All a mystery? Chris
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Post by chris on Mar 20, 2014 22:27:30 GMT -5
CT- A Henry Ralph on family search died 25/12/1716 of Paul,father Christopher Ralph. Paul is in Penzance near or in Mousehole? not too far from Marazion? Any thoughts on that? My late 99 year old grandmother always reckoned the Ralph's were from the pirates of Penzance.She said they would put lanterns on the horses and walk them up the beach to look like boats bobbing in the water at night and cause boats to be run aground and pillage them.Nasty lot? Not our direct line of course?Say no more. Chris
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Post by chris on Mar 20, 2014 22:42:24 GMT -5
CT-There was a Christopher Ralph who married Constance Gorva 27? June 1587 in Newlyn East.Not jumping to any conclusions however my Gran also passed on that one of the female ancestors was of Spanish decent and would call the candle the Candella etc.Gorva is possibly a Spanish name? Sort of loosely fits? Chris.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 21, 2014 7:49:38 GMT -5
The R is not of particular interest really. Henry Ralf could not write so the R is his mark! As for the information in your last two posts - you are jumping all over the place and confusing heck out of me. And in the last one you are quoting something that supposedly took place around 420 years ago and trying to link it to something your grandmother said? I suggest you try to concentrate on one step at a time and try to find something that might be more relevant to your Henry. CT
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Post by chris on Mar 21, 2014 20:56:40 GMT -5
CT,Yes have seen the R on other Ralph Wills as the signature. There was a Thomas Mitchell WH/1/3736 on a tenement lease in Marazion with a daughter Margaret 6/Sept/1704. Ralph Mitchel's firstborn 1708 twins was Mary and the twin just called Mitchel.He may have died early as he had another Mitchel 1715 twin that died? Ralph Mitchel's kids were, Mary 18/4/1708 twin Mitchel? no firstname Anne 12/4/1713 Francis 2?/Nov/ 1715 Mitchel 1715 twin? no firstname. Ralph Mitchel 9/3/1717. Chris
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Post by chris on Mar 22, 2014 16:56:15 GMT -5
The most logical explanation for 1.) Henry Ralph's father if you use the paternal father,grandfather's first name is he was a Richard. The only candidate known for the paternal father becomes 2.) Richard father and Elizabeth mother from Grade.
3.)Richard of Grade yeoman of Sithney who passed away 1706/9 being the paternal grandfather of Henry born about 1682 to d 1741. Having exhausted all other possibilities from many perspectives this looks like the correct hypothesis. Further to come on Henry's great grandfather Chris.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 22, 2014 21:40:07 GMT -5
Not quite correct! - based on the currently available information this looks to be a 'reasonable and logical' hypothesis but it is still not proven! If you are going to add Henry as a son of Richard and Elizabeth you need to include appropriate notes stating that more research is required. And you must also continue to search for other information that might prove or disprove this conclusion and lead, one way or another, to the correct one. CT
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Post by chris on Mar 22, 2014 23:25:10 GMT -5
CT -Agree entirely. Nicholas of Grade's Will may shed some more light etc. Input from yourself and Roy should possibly give us some facts. It would be great to get some sort of picture of the different Ralph families in Cornwall pre 1700 and how they connect back on the tree. Regards Chris
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Post by chris on Mar 25, 2014 3:39:59 GMT -5
CT-Richard and Elizabeth Ralph's children? recorded christened or born 1) Robert ,28/8/1681 christened Grade 2) James , 17/6/1683 Ruan Minor 3) Jane ,9/8/1685 Grade 4) Joanna ,12/6/1687 Grade 5) Avis Raph 30/1/1689 Sithney father Richard.(Spelling is Raph,not Ralph,so a question mark? 6) Eleanor,12/3/1692 Ruan Minor 7) Mary, 23/9/1694 Sithney.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 25, 2014 23:32:10 GMT -5
In fact a VERY BIG ?! - I don't know where you got this information but I have just looked at the Sithney Parish Register and the name is DEFINITELY NOT Raph/Ralph/Raf/Rafe. The surname actually starts with a 'P' and the second letter appears to be either 'o' or 'e' but the rest is illegible except to note that there appear to be four or perhaps five letters in the name. After checking other baptisms around this time I am confident that this is Avis daughter of Richard PEARCE who also baptised son Charles at Sithney in 1695. A comparison of the bottom parts of both names indicates a definite similarity.
Note - I can see now that your information probably came from a transcript by Damien Willey which I also have. I will send a correction for this as it is definitely an error.
Perhaps this one from FamilySearch might be worth checking out:-
Henry son of Edward and Anora RAF baptised 10th February 1677 St Anthony in Meneage
You need to be aware that there was another Henry Ralph (son of John) baptised at St Martin in Meneage in 1685 but he appears to have married Sybilla Bamfield at St Martin in 1720. St Martin in Meneage and St Anthony in Meneage are neighbouring Parishes.
CT
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Post by chris on Mar 26, 2014 3:49:22 GMT -5
Hi CT, Avis was on family search.Like on IGI contributed they have Henry born about 1682 married to Sybilla?Needs changing. I have done a bit of research into the Ralph's of St Martin,alias Halligye line. My Henry is a different one to the Henry born 1685 , who did marry Sybilla Bamfield.I have seen his Will and confirmed that.Very interesting tracking their line.John Ralph alias Halligie had 3 boys Bernard,John,and Henry.The father of John alias Halligie was probably a Bernard Halligie who it seems to go back to a Ralph Halligie etc.The first name became the last name after Bernard Halligie about 1641. I'm not definite on the Halligie line,just what I came up with loosely.Interesting reading about the Halligye fogue.They had a tent there way back. Interesting the Ralph name seems to be Raf Raffe or Raphe ,Ralf before Ralph. Henry son of Anora didn't seem fit either. Chris
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Post by chris on Mar 26, 2014 4:09:08 GMT -5
CT, Abel and Anna Ralph had Nicholas 5/7/1668, John 1/4/1673, Grace 10/1/1674. There is an Abel Ralph on OPC burials 23/11/1720.Also an Abel burial 14/2/1740. Sort of makes me think a Nicholas may have been the father of Richard burial 1706/9? On the protestation returns 1641,there is a Nicholas Ralph of Cury and a William Ralph of Grade.Cury is next to Grade so possibly Nicholas is the father? Still stumped on Elizabeth wife of Richard of Grade yeoman of Sithney died 1706/9 and why he called his first recorded boy Robert 1681? As you say there are many similar names with Richard and Elizabeth Kids and Henry and Margaret's kids. Also Hugh Ralph of St Keverne had an Alexander 1629 first born plus Peter Ralph alias Cheypye had Alexander first born.More questions??? Chris
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Post by chris on Mar 26, 2014 4:15:25 GMT -5
CT, Sorry I meant above, still stumped on Elizabeth wife of Richard son of Richard burial 1706/9.Eleanor etc. Chris
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Post by chris on Mar 26, 2014 4:49:30 GMT -5
CT, Henry Raf baptised 10/2/1677 son of Edward and Anora ,Wendron could be the right Henry?I have had a couple of drinks so will get back to you.There is a Will of Edmond the grandfather. Well done!!! Thanks Chris.
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