Leddras/Curnows/Paynter

[pumpkin2]

Interested to see if anyone has any connection with my St.Ives ancestors

Gt2Grandfather Charles Leddra 1795-1852 -m- Johanna Williams
Gt3 Grandfather James Leddra 1766-1839 -m- Sarah Curnow
Gt4 Grandfather Richard Leddra 1726-1811 -m- Eleanor Paynter

I only have sketchy details before Richard I think his father was Thomas 1689-1741 -m- Honor Unknown.

I believe Sarah Curnows parents were Paul Curnow and Sarah Minnis? but I stand to be corrected if any one can shed light on them

Many thanks

[davidkingmartin]

Ninnis, I think.
Sarah Curnow 1762 Redruth, daughter of Sarah Ninnis 1733?/St.Ives-24 Jan.1790 Ludgvan, and of Paul Curnow 17??
Sarah`s parents: John Ninnes 1696-1758 and Jane Quick 1694.
CT may comment on this! My sources are not reliable but may be indicative....
More detail available.
Distant relatives.
David.

[Cornish Terrier]

Have just spent some time trying to sort out the Luddra/Leddra family and add to what I alredy had in my database prior to responding.

The origins of Richard LEDDRA are, at the moment, uncertain.
This is largely due to the fact that no baptism has been found for him of course - but for myself it is also uncertain because of the names of his children.

He named his first child, a daughter, Grace and his first son George.

It was not until his third daughter that he used the name of Honor and then he did not name a son Thomas until his last who was baptised in 1770.

I believe Eleanor PAYNTER was baptised at St Ives in 1725 - daughter of John and Margaret and it is interesting that Richard and Eleanor did not name a son John.

They did use the name Margaret three times.

So what do we have. - the 'possibility' that Richard was son of Thomas and Honor.

Thomas had two brothers named Richard who both died in infancy so he may well have had an unrecorded son of that name.

Thomas also named his first two children as Mary and George which, I think, is a pointer that Thomas was the son of George LEDDRA and Mary (nee JENNINGS) who had married at St Ives 5th October 1686.

Thomas was baptised 4th August 1689 at St Ives.

Also interesting is that IGI indicates his wife Honor was nee HAMBLY and there was an Honor HAMBLY baptised at St Ives in 1690 - daughter of Emanuell.

The other dilemma is that there were a number of LEDDRAs married at Lelant although there seems to have been no children baptised in that Parish and I can find no children for them at St Ives.

Until we find a Will or some other data to work with I am afraid Richard may have to stay in his current position.

James LEDDRA's wife Sarah CURNOW was baptised at Towednack 2nd January 1763 and was the daughter of Paul CURNOW and Sarah (nee NINNES).

Sarah's brother Paul CURNOW married James LEDDRA's sister Honor at St Ives 26th December 1789. (George LEDDRA witnessed the marriage.)

Paul CURNOW is another who is an uncertainty but I believe him to probably have been the son of Thomas and Martha Curnow who married at Towednack in 1734.

Sarah NINNES was baptised at Towednack 14th October 1733 d/o John NINNES and Jane (nee QUICK).

And now I need to venture into, for me, uncharted territory.

The marriage of Charles LEDDRA.

Can you please tell me more about this?

The only marriage I have for Charles so far is in 1825 at St Ives to Ann VINING.

Was Charles perhaps married twice?

If you can give me a little more information about Charles it would help me.

Meanwhile I will check on a few other details and hopefully be ready for your next.

CT

[pumpkin2]

Hi David, thanks for that, so its Ninnis not Minnis..

CT. thank you for all that information going to have to read it a few times to get my head round it, I'll get back to you with my input ;D

Regarding my Gt2 Grandfather Charles Leddra he married Johanna Williams in Bristol in 1826, which makes me think he moved from St.Ives to Bristol for work maybe?? The Charles Leddra I have that married Ann Vining in 1825 was the son of George Leddra 1755-1830 and Ann Care. George was brother to my Gt3 Grandfather James.
Charles & Johanna had (as far as I know) 9 children...
John b1829 at Bristol..He was Killed in 1854 at the Battle of Alma. Johannas fathers name was John.
James 1831-1891 named after Charles brother or father
Richard 1844-1909... after Charles Grandfather maybe
Sarah 1836
Elizabeth 1841
Edwin 1844-1903
Charles 1846-1848
Charles Thomas 1849-1889
Charles 1795-1852 died at Stepney East London his occupation was a Cooper.
Looking forward to digesting your infomation

[Cornish Terrier]

I begin to see the picture.

Did you find Charles in the 1841 and 1851 Census by any chance?

If so - could you tell me how the surname was spelt or offer me some other information to help me find him. (So far not a chance at all!)

Will do the database update tomorrow I think. More to do now in a short time before I get to bed for a few hours.

[pumpkin2]

Charles and Johanna are living at Caroline Place, Tower Hamlets on 1841 census Ref.. HO107/701/3 (if that means anything to you ) The name is scribbled and I can't remember what I searched under but I don't think it would come up as Leddra I find it easier to search for Johanna Leddra not as common as Charles The 1851 census shows them living at Fair Place, Tower Hamlets, again the name is not clear and Johanna is shown as being born at St.Ives which I know she was not. I haven't got the reference to this census. I just tried going onto Ancestry to look up the name they have been put under to let you know but the site seems to be playing up a bit today might be overload as they have allowed people free access in November to the War service records Will try again tomorrow

[Cornish Terrier]

Have tried working with the information you have sent so far but cannot find them in 1841 or 1851.

Think I will give it a rest and wait until you are able to get access to the information you need.

[pumpkin2]

Hello CT
Have been trying to access the census on Ancestry, still seems to be playing up, bit hit and miss at the moment. Heres the 1841 info printout. I can copy and paste original if you like. Can't find out what the 1851 is under, have tried all different spellings.

Name: Charles Leddra
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: St Anne Limehouse
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: Caroline Place

Occupation: Cooper

Registration district: Stepney
Sub registration district: Limehouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Leddra 45
Johanna Leddra 35
John Leddra 14
James Leddra 12
Charles Leddra 7
Sarah Leddra 4
Eliza Leddra 1

I have been looking at the other information you sent. Until the parish registrar entry is found for Richard I suppose it must all be surmise. But there are a good few pointers to his parents being Thomas & Honor. Margaret was obviously a name dear to Richard & Eleanor, they used it 3 times and all died young
I have a reference that Thomas 1689-1741 left a will if I can find that it might give a few clues. I have found a reference to Richard Leddra in 'universal 1791' St.Ives as being a principal inhabitant and he is listed as a shoemaker. I found this on one of the excellent on-line resources done by some marvelous volunteers.
Will keep trying with the 1851 census. Is there anything I can help you with regarding Leddras? Can I ask who you are descended from?
Best wishes
Pumpkin

[pumpkin2]

Hello David

Thank you for the information regarding Ninnis... That makes John Ninnis & Jane Quick my Gt5 Grandparents Would you happen to know if they were from St.Ives or another part of Cornwall

Many thanks

[Deleted]

Hi there

I think that Jane Quick was from Towednack which would make your 6th great grandparents Matthew Quick and Sarah Major.

Jane Quick married John Ninnes at Towednack on the 30th April 1822.

Sorry, can't help with John.

Lannanta

[davidkingmartin]

Pumpkin/Lannanta:
I have Towednack listed as place of bap. for John Ninnes (bap.30 Jan.1696), marr.30 April 1722, Jane Quick.
Lannanta has a marr. dated 30 Apr. 1822.
Something awry here! Probably me.
David

[Deleted]

Ooops

1722 is correct.

[pumpkin2]

Hi Lannanta

Thanks for that info 6x Gt Grandparents!! I can't believe it!!!

[pumpkin2]

Hi David

Many thanks for the Bap record for John and the marriage details for John & Jane

In the 6 days I have been a member of this forum I've gained ancestors I would probably never have found

What a marvellous bunch you all are

[Cornish Terrier]

G'day Pumpkin - thankyou for the 1841 Census info which I will try to take a look at shortly. Have a few other things on the go just at the moment.

I will also try and take another look at Richard Leddra based on the new information you have provided.

My connection to the Leddra family is probably more of an 'interest' thing although there is very likely a distant link there somewhere if I take the effort to check my entire database.

But I am interested in anything to do with West Penwith given that was the base of my own family going back to (and beyond) the 1580's.

The information supplied here regarding Jane QUICK is correct - she was baptised at Towednack 26th April 1696 d/o Matthew QUICK and Sarah (nee MAJOR).

Matthew QUICK (no baptism found) was the son of Francis QUICK and Elizabeth (nee PAULE)

Francis QUICK son of Thomas and Zenobia QUICK - the earliest we have been able to trace this line.

Elizabeth PAULE was baptised 31st January 1623 at Towednack d/o John PAULE and Margery (nee OATES).

John NINNES was baptised at Towednack 30th January 1696 and buried at Towednack 4th June 1758.

His parents were William NINNES (for whom I currently have no further information) and Jane CURNOW d/o Thomas and Jone (nee PAINTER) CURNOW.

Jane married William NINNES at Towednack 29th November 1691 and had six children by him that I am aware of.

After William died in 1705 Jane married Vivian DANIEL and as far as I can tell had at least three more children.

Jane was buried at Towednack 17th October 1750.

LEDDRA - The Will of Thomas LEDDRA should be most interesting if it is still extant.

Perhaps something to be added to a research list for any of our members who might happen to visit the CRO in the near future.

Finally (for this note) - it is a pleasure to have you here as a member.

I am sure your queries have enabled more than one of us to find new links in our families and the interaction and support has been exactly what this forum is all about.