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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 11, 2009 6:36:55 GMT -5
Hello and Welcome to more new members. Rosibowyer My database shows Eleanor's baptism as 15th September 1725 at St Ives (IGI) d/o John and Margaret PAYNTER. I believe her parents to be:- John PAYNTER, tailor, married Margaret COCK 6th June 1715 at Lelant Your early Paul CURNOW is, as far as I know, still a 'problem'. However I think it possible he was the son of Thomas CURNOW who married Martha CURNOW at Towednack 29th April 1734. I have not done any work on this family for a few years so Bill Curnow may have been able to find more data since I last discussed it with him. Martha CURNOW is another for whom I have not found a baptism but I think she may possibly have been the daughter of Paul CURNOW and Mary (nee WOOLCOCK) who married at Towednack 30th April 1701. Martha was first married to Michael BARAGWANATH 26th June 1731 at Ladock. I cannot be absolutely 100% certain of any of this as yet given this last marriage did not offer any information as to the origins of either Martha or Michael. Will monitor this discussion and try to get more involved with it as soon as I can. Your query about 'involvement' here can be answered simply by saying that we prefer to have our members become actually involved in discussions rather than using this forum as a 'message board'. Interaction brings forth more ideas and information and you will often find others chipping in with thoughts or other information that might help find the correct answer to a particular query. So play around and look at the various threads to get a feel for things. And do not be afraid to enter any thread and offer something or even ask for more information about a particular topic. We are all here to help and you will find this a nice friendly place to continue your research. CT
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Post by white on Feb 11, 2009 9:55:48 GMT -5
Hi Terri, have sent you word docs.with details of the Curnows and Weymouths. Please let me know that you get them,Roy
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Post by davidkingmartin on Feb 11, 2009 9:55:59 GMT -5
My little "pennyworth" (NB. UNSOURCED!): Michael Baragwanath (m.1731). His father may be William Baragwanath 1668-1725; mother Jane Curnow 1676-1743. Martha C.: born 1700. Husband Michael b11 Feb.1703, died 1733, Towednack. His early demise would account for the second marr., April?1734, to Thomas Curnow. I find the Curnows a bit of a muddle! D.
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Post by white on Feb 11, 2009 10:03:22 GMT -5
Please note that this surname should read Baragwanath. ;D
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Post by davidkingmartin on Feb 11, 2009 10:29:00 GMT -5
My apologies.I try to type these messages as fast as possible before my internet connection cuts off. Correction made. D.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 12, 2009 6:54:26 GMT -5
David - you are quite correct with the parents of Michael 'pennyworth' ;D and he was baptised at Towednack 11th February 1703. I am yet to find a burial for him but there seems little doubt that it was his widow Martha who married Thomas CURNOW. I have checked Phillimore for the marriage an that is the source of my comment regarding the origins of both he and Martha when they married at Ladock in 1731. BTW - his name was recorded as BARAGWANNA! They had one son, Michael, baptised at Towednack 22nd February 1731 and he married Sarah JAMES at Towednack 26th November 1761. The junior Michael was buried at Towednack 28th February 1766. Three daughters of whom two married into the ROACH family whilst the other married a PEARCE. As far as the CURNOW family being a 'bit of a muddle' - ditto! ;D but I have done some work on them with Bill Curnow so can certainly be of some help. 'white' - would appreciate a copy of your .doc regarding the CURNOW and WEYMOUTH scenario if I may. Have not looked at this for a long time so would appreciate something with which to compare my own notes. CT
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Post by white on Feb 12, 2009 8:57:00 GMT -5
Weymouth and Curnow docs. on their way, Roy
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Post by rosibowyer on Feb 12, 2009 12:37:11 GMT -5
Thanks for everyone's replies. Terri, it may surprise you to know that Curnow is actually not a common name in the UK outside of Cornwall. In the 1881 census there are only 1031 Curnows in the entire country of Great Britain (= England + Scotland + Wales) and 799 of those 1031 Curnows lived in Cornwall. The next highest number of Curnow residents in 1881 was in Surrey (Southern part of London and its southern suburbs) where there were 43 Curnows; and then Middlesex (which was the largest part of what is now Greater London) where there were 28. There were 26 Curnows living in Cornwall's neighbour county of Devon, and 21 of them in North Riding Yorkshire, England's largest county. No other county in all Britain had more than 20 Curnows living there in 1881. There were only Curnows at all in 18 counties of Britain at that time and 10 of those counties had no more than 10 Curnows, so probably just one Curnow family each. Six counties had between 11 and 20 Curnows, which could be one or two or three families. In theory it should therefore be possible to connect them all to Cornwall and the Cornish Curnows.
Some Curnows left Cornwall when tin mines closed, which has resulted in some present day Curnows still being around now in the former coal, lead and copper mining areas of England, such as Cumberland, Yorkshire, Northumberland and Durham. It was often the closure of tin mines that led to emigration from Cornwall to mining areas of USA and Australia as well as within UK, but in Britain, to this day, the name is still predominantly only seen in significant numbers in Cornwall. The name is usually attributed to "Kernow", the Cornish word for Cornwall , but I have often wondered if there is a connection with the small harbour town of Porthcurno. Hope that this of interest. rosibowyer
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Post by terribrown on Feb 21, 2009 1:14:26 GMT -5
thanks to all of you . I had very little on the Curnow family now they are literally coming out of my ears. Hester Curnow my 5th g grandmother 1732-1813 married Thomas Parminter in Phillack in 1767. 4th g grandmother Sarah Curnow Parminter 1769-1843 married William M Cardell in 1788 3rd g grandfather George Parminter Cardell born 1811 in St Erth 2nd g grandmother Sarah Curnow Eliz Susan Parminter Cardell 1831-1922 she married my great grandfather Richard William Golley 1828-1902 in 1855 in Stoke Damerel Devonshire (rumour says Richard Golley was the family gardiner and they ran away to Australia) arriving here on the LORD RAGLAN on 7/2 1855 they had my grandmother Mary Alice Maude Golley and so on to me My tree is now up to 4416 people and I don't think I have even begun to find them all TERRI BROWN AUSTRALIA
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Post by Donna on Mar 13, 2009 20:06:59 GMT -5
My Curnows are my brick wall. All I have is Catherine Ann Curnow, born about 1847 in Cornwall? married William Henry Noye, born about 1841 at Keigwin near St Just, Cornwall, left England on the ship 'Lincoln' and arrived in Adelaide, Australia 1865......children Catherine Jane born 15 January 1864 in Cornwall? Annie born about 1870 in Moonta, South Australia died 13 May 1924 (My ggg-grandmother) John about 1876 Albert 1884 Andrew 1886 That's it, not much to go on and I wouldn't have a clue how to go about finding out as I am only new to the internet and before that could only do research in Australia.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 14, 2009 6:10:54 GMT -5
William Henry NOY bp. 26th June 1842 at St Just in Penwith son of Robert and Mary Ann. Here is the parents marriage at St Just in Penwith 4 Feb 1837 Robert Noy of this parish [mark] Mary Ann Nankervis of this parish Witnesses: Richard Penrose, John Lawry Having a little trouble with Catherine Ann Curnow at the moment but will try and track her down for you. There is no birth recorded in FreeBMD for a Catherine Ann Curnow yet there was at least one more who was born atTowednack about 1846. But this one married John Car Ninnes at St Ives in 1873. And I cannot find your Catherine in the Census at the moment but I WILL! Moving back to the 1851 Census I have found one possible Catherine for you. She is simply 'Catherine' but that does not necessarily mean much. This one was born at St Ives about 1846/7 and was the daughter of Thomas CURNOW who married Jane GRENFELL at Ludgvan in 1825. The interesting thing is that Jane GRENFELL was born at St Just so there may be a link. Will keep searching - however if you don't have it the registration details of th marriage are as follows:- Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1863 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Curnow Catherine Ann Penzance 5c 551 Noye William Henry Penzance 5c 551 All the best - CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 14, 2009 6:14:03 GMT -5
For those searching for LEDDRA (var.) there are quite a few events recorded for LUDDRAH and other variants in the very early Madron Parish Registers.
I was searching for other material a the time so did not actually note down the details but I have seen Richard LUDDRAH amongst the names as early as about 1634.
Can do a search but it will take quite some time due to the format of my copy of those PRs.
CT
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Post by white on Mar 14, 2009 8:04:37 GMT -5
there is a free download of Madron parish records available on the internet. Just put first book of parish records, madron in your search.It is on the Internet Archive site.
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Post by pumpkin2 on Mar 23, 2009 11:10:32 GMT -5
Hello CT Thanks for the tip regarding Leddra (var) in Madron, have just had a browse and have found a Bap in 1592 of an Elizabeth Luddra. I'm now thinking they may have been at Madron before moving onto St.Ives. This is the first time for me that Madron has come up! another avenue to go down... Thanks also White for the search tip, a great help Pumpkin2
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 23, 2009 11:53:32 GMT -5
Hi Pumpkin2 and welcome back. Keep searching and you will find more of them - I am sure I saw a Richard there somewhere. Hope you downloaded the PDF copy of the First Book of Madron as you will find it very useful - even though it is a little difficult to read! CT
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