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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 25, 2009 22:29:50 GMT -5
There is a William RAWLING married at Lelant 27th December 1733. Unfortunately the entry simply reads "William Rawling was married" No mention of the bride's name. But looking at the Lelant Baptisms we have children to William and Mary from that date. And then from the early 1740's we have a William and Margery (sometimes Margaret) Rawling baptising children. Now this second one might be important and I am now quoting from Phillimore:- William RAWLING, of Madron, & Margery BRYANT, of Lelant were married at St Gluvias 6th February 1743 Okay - There is your 'niece' Margery Rawling! ;D That would then indicate that she was quite possibly a sister to James BRYANT. She could not be a daughter given this marriage was only 13 years after James was married - unless he had been previously married, of course. There are two possibilities at Lelant for Margery and I would suggest the earlier one died given the father in both cases is Thomas. Margery d/o Thomas BRYAND bp. 20th April 1716 Margery d/o Thomas BRYANT bp. 3rd October 1719 The next question, which may be difficult to answer, is why did William Rawling and Margery Bryant get married at St Gluvias?? That's about it for the moment so hope it helps. CT
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Post by jmg on Mar 29, 2009 22:29:47 GMT -5
Thanks for all your help CT.
Now I just have to find the link between Corey and Bryant.
Margery d/o Thomas Bryant and Mary bp 3/10/1719. I hope that I can find that Mary was a Corey. I haven't been able to find James' bp yet.
Thanks again and will let you know if I find anything.
jmg
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Post by jmg on May 4, 2009 20:55:31 GMT -5
I have spending some time looking into John Corey who is the Uncle of James Bryant and Margery Rawlings nee Bryant, ( his Will proved 1762).
John Corey born Helston to James Corey 1690. James Correy was also father to Jone Correy born 1686. There is a death of Thomas Correy son of James Correy 1684, and death of James Corey, 1705 all in Helston.
Will of Margery Corey widow of Lelant, proved 1677 has daughter Jane Collings and sons Robert?, Nicholas and James.
James Bryant married Mary Morley 1730 in Lelant. Their children were James, Joan, Mary, Elizabeth and Thomas.
I still haven’t found James’ baptism but James could be the son of Thomas Bryant and Jone (Joan) Correy.
Mary Morley could be the daughter of James Murly and Mary Thomas born St. Erth 1712.
This is still speculating as I have not established who William Bryant’s parents are. William Bryant married Jane Nole/Note 11th June 1765.
Jenny
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Post by white on May 5, 2009 8:24:15 GMT -5
Jenny, If you want details of the Morley line, I can take you back to mid 1500s. Roy
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Post by jmg on May 5, 2009 22:17:09 GMT -5
Thanks Roy that would be terrific.
Jenny
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Post by white on May 6, 2009 8:23:35 GMT -5
Jen, word doc. for Morleys on its way, Roy
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Post by jmg on May 7, 2009 21:48:19 GMT -5
Many thanks Roy, email arrived, in possess of reading it.
Jenny
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Post by londoner on Nov 26, 2010 9:49:47 GMT -5
Philip Noall is my 5th Great Granduncle. I think.. I knew we had to be related ;D- he was the father-in-law of my 3rd cousin 4 times removed! - thanks to the new relationship calculator on A*
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Post by cledry on Mar 24, 2024 14:09:38 GMT -5
How did you determine which children belong to William BRYANT and Jane NOALL? For example there was a Jane bap 7 JUL 1765 and another Jane bap 24 NOV 1765. To who do we attribute these two baptisms? How do we know that there wasn't a child Jane, Elizabeth? We also have tow Henrys, one on 2 FEB 1767 and another 23 OCT 1768. Likewise there was a Mary bap 9 SEP 1770.
I am trying to determine which Jane BRYANT married Thomas TREGURTHA on 19 May 1785 at Gwinear. One of their children was named Rosamond Bryant Tregurtha which may be a clue going back to a William BRYANT and Rosamond PHILLIPS who married at Lelant on 28 OCT 1732. They had the following children baptised at Lelant. Janiffer 1732 Elizabeth 1737 Thomas 1739 Margery 1741 Ann 1746 John 1752
The gaps in the children possibly indicate some missing children to the couple.
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Post by zibetha on Mar 30, 2024 7:07:06 GMT -5
I can only respond to William Bryant and Jane Tilley. Jane is related to me on the Sampson side of my family, and it confusing. The Tiileys connect to Urens. And then I need aspirin.
Zib
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Post by zibetha on Mar 30, 2024 7:15:25 GMT -5
I have assigned Jane as the 1709 daughter of Thomas Tilley and Frances Lecha Leaha .Trying to work back on her father's line, I struggle.
Zib
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Post by zibetha on Mar 30, 2024 21:32:51 GMT -5
My ancestors Ishmael Tilley and Alice Uren had a daughter, Mary, baptized 13 Oct 1720 at Lelant. That brings up two possible marriages. To Henry Mills 5 Feb 1739/39 or Alexander Noall 16 July 1743. A bit young for the first but it seems more likely. The Noall-Tilley marriage was Alexander's 2nd?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 1, 2024 7:04:51 GMT -5
When I last worked on the Noalls I placed this Mary as the 2nd wife of Alexander Noall. She was buried at Lelant 16th September 1782.
I should also point out that Mary Tilly and her sister Martha were both baptised on the same day. It would be jumping to conclusions to assume these girls were twins as their parents were married in 1704 making it quite possible one or other (or even both) of these girls could have been born sometime before 1720. The previous child appears to have been daughter Susanna baptised 23rd February 1716/17 so certainly at least one of either Mary or Martha could have been born 1718 or 1719.
Henry and Mary Mills also had five children between 1740 and 1751. Henry was possibly buried at Lelant in 1778 but I can find no burial for his wife.
In reality, without further information, it seems Mary daughter of Ishmael Tilly may have been involved in either of the two marriages. One way or another we are still missing a Mary Tilly.
CT
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Post by zibetha on Apr 1, 2024 12:59:38 GMT -5
I've got a bit of an advantage on this via DNA. Mary Tilly and Henry Mill's daughter Elizabeth married my 4th great uncle, Richard Sampson, son of Richard Sampson and Alice Carter. Mary Mill was buried at Illogan in 1790, and Henry 5 years later. Information on the Tilleys is somewhat scarce. My thought Is that the marriage of Mary Tilley who married Alexander Noall might have been that of a widow and a 2nd marriage for both. Don't know! BurialZib
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 1, 2024 18:39:05 GMT -5
Mary Noall nee Tilly had children up to 1751 so working on the maximum age 48 theory she had to have been born no earlier than 1702/3. Whilst there were a couple of other Tillys around Lelant at the time they were still scarce on the ground and I have so far seen nothing that might support a second marriage for her. I have been known to be wrong ......... occasionally! CT
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