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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 6, 2008 9:05:29 GMT -5
I have transferred this from the WELCOME thread. CT First thing Jenny is that Mary was buried at St Ives 24th January 1830 at the age of 23 and I can find no further children for her - at least not at St Ives. Looking at the rest of your note and so far your connections seem to be fairly right. When you bring in the William BRYANT/Margery THOMAS marriage it would appear you might be giving Cornishmaid two possible connections - via BRYANT and also NOALL as their daughter Margery married Philip NOALL at St Ives in 1815. Not sure if I have any direct connections there but I do have the names Bryant, Noall and Roach connecting with my Trewhella families at various times. Will now do a bit more checking and update my database with this information and see how everything looks. Once I have formed a clearer picture for myself I should hopefully be able to help you a little more. CT
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Post by Mal on Nov 6, 2008 11:25:27 GMT -5
I can't find them at all on OPC or Philimores, but that's just my luck as usual!!!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 6, 2008 12:15:37 GMT -5
DAVIES - I realise this all started quite some time ago and in another thread but I need to confirm that I have the William and Mary Davies picture in focus and, as it has a fair bit to do with the current subject, I think this is as good a place as any. Mary GENDALL - by my reckoning she would be the daughter of Thomas and Ann (Colenso) Gendal who married at Madron in 1794. (Mary bp. Madron 1799). William DAVIES - born Paul about 1799/1800 but still an unknown. Children of William and Mary (based on what I have just searched):- Eliza born c. 1826 - buried 1842 Gulval William born c. 1829 Mary Jane bp. 1833 Gulval - buried 1839 Gulval Thomas Henry bp. 1836 Gulval John born c. 1838 Penzance Edwin born c. 1840 Edwyn bp. 1843 Gulval - buried 1844 Gulval Hopefully this is all correct but please confirm. I would suggest that this might well be a brother to your William:- 1. EDWIN DAVIES - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 30 MAY 1813 Scilly Islands Parish, Cornwall, England This was the only child of a William and Mary DAVIES appearing in IGI for the Isles of Scilly. William and Mary used the name for their last two sons which is a potential pointer. The one problem is that William Semmens Davies also named a son Edwin. I will leave this Edwin out of the equation for now and I still have nothing to offer on parentage for William. However, assuming I have the rest of the above correct then I have most of the basic family now in my database I think. JENNY - would appreciate it if you could supply us with the details from the Certificates you mentioned - including Witnesses in the case of marriage. Moving to Australia - I think this must be your family:- Eliza Ann b. 1856 Emily 1858-1860 Selina b. 1860 Emily b. 1862 Thomas Henry 1865-1865 Thomas Henry b. 1867 John 1869-1869 Frederick b. 1870 Alfred John b. 1872 All born Collingwood. William died Collingwood 1887 age 58 s/o William DAVIES and Mary KENDALL. That will do me for now - best check the remainder of the messages then think about food and sleep.
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Post by davidkingmartin on Nov 6, 2008 13:35:59 GMT -5
This may be irrelevant: Henry Roach Martin 18 Apr.1804, Towednack, son of John Martin, 1766, Towednack. And: William Henry Roach, 1848, St.Ives, wife Wilmot Edwards Martin 1845. Very distant relatives. DKM.
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Post by cornishmaid on Nov 6, 2008 18:23:05 GMT -5
CT - that's how I understand the Davies situation too. As for the Bryant and Noall side of things, here are my connections: William Bryant & Margery Thomas are my husband's 5th great grandparents. Their son, Henry, is therefore his 4th Granduncle. Their daughter Margery Bryant, who married Philip Noall is his 4th great grandmother. Philip Noall is my 5th Great Granduncle. I think..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 20:45:52 GMT -5
I spy with my little eye something beginning with Q - yes Quick.
Maybe Honour Quick was the daughter of Richard and Honour, baptised in 17 Feb 1771 at St Ives.
Lannanta
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Post by jmg on Nov 6, 2008 21:13:24 GMT -5
Hello all, I will start off with a correction. Mary Bryant was 13 in the 1841 census and living with her father Henry, Elizabeth and family, at Fore St. St. Ives. It was in the 1851 census she was in the workhouse in Madron with two children. I agree with information you have on William Davies and Mary nee Gendall.
I am also a bit confused in regards to Edwin. I haven't looked into him closely.
With our William Davies born 1800 Paul, only knowing a small bit about the area of Cornwall, I found William baptism 1802 Parish Isles of Scilly, Parents William and Phillis. William Davies married Phyllis Rowe in Madron 1801. Phillipa Davis burial in Madron 1805. Is it possible or am I thinking too far out of the box. What do you think. I am like Malcolm and not get very far with William born 1800 Paul.
As for marriage certificate of William Davies and Mary Bryant - married 1852 witness were Alexander Berryman Jr and James Walter Stevens (deputy Superintendent Registrar). William and Mary arrived on the "Shand" at Portland in 1855 with Mary aged 1 born 1852 Penzance and William aged 1 born 1854. All other children born Collingwood - Selina is my g grandmother. William died 1887 leaving a Will. Mary died 1922 aged 96.
Cornishmaid - I didn't think I would find another long lost cousin. Lannanta - That is the information I have for Honor Roach. I have her parents as Richard Quick and Honor Jenkyn.
Bye for now, Jenny
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 7, 2008 8:36:21 GMT -5
Just a couple of things for the moment before I go off and see what more I might be able to search out. David - Elizabeth was, as far as I have been able to work out, baptised 28th February 1770 at St Ives d/o Robert and Jane (nee NINNES) ROACH. Henry Roach MARTINS was probably named after her brother Henry (m. Jane DUNSTONE) who was buried at Towednack 29th August 1801. All I know of William Henry ROACH at the moments is that he was born about 1848 and was apparently the son of Robert and Mary (nee REID) ROACH. Lannanta - Yep, Honor was daughter of Richard and Honor. Cornishmaid - And now you have a 'Cousin Jenny' ;D Jenny - Thanks for the info - but I neglected to mention that I also require the actual Date and Place of the marriage as I don't have anything other than 1852. I am going to have a bit more of a look to see what more I can find about this Edwin. Looks like I might have to do a search of Phillimore and other PRs as IGI does not appear to have a marriage entry for Edwin's parents. As for William s/o William and Phyllis - hmmmm! I suppose it is possible but the one problem is that your William's age is extremely consistent throughout the Census and (having, I think, just found it) also at his death in 1870. Everything suggests a birth of 1799 or 1800 in which case he is unlikely to have been the son of William and Phyllis. OK - I had best get to work and see what I can dig up.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 7, 2008 13:07:37 GMT -5
I have tried several things now to try and identify William but still cannot find a darned thing. Even tried looking for an illegitimate William (any surname) baptised at Paul around 1800 to see if the mother might have married a Davies but can still find nothing. I will keep thinking about this and see if I might come up with any other options to try. Meanwhile - have started searching the Victorian BDMs to add a little data. Most interesting thing I have found so far is that when William (son of Mary Bryant) died in 1925 his mother was recorded as Mary ROACH. Found the same thing with Emily when she died (as Emily KING) in 1891. There was an Alfred John DAVIES died in Melbourne in 1935 (age 63). His father was named as William but the mother was 'Eliza Ann Unknown'). Could this be your Alfred? If so then there is only Thomas Henry and Frederick that I have not found a Death record for. Mary Jane married Alfred PADBURY in 1872 Eiza Ann married William Henry SHERRY in 1878 Selina married Thomas NEIL in 1882 Emily married John KING in 1884 How does that look?
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Post by jmg on Nov 7, 2008 19:39:47 GMT -5
Cornish Terrier,
Weekend is here so my computer usage is limited, because of 3 students in the house and sporting commitments.
Here are the marriage certificate details for William Davies and Mary Bryant. Married 1st March, 1852, William Davies 23 years, Bachelor, Mason, Causewayhead, Penzance, William Davies Labourer, father. Mary Bryant, 24 years, spinster, rank or profession is blank, Jennings Street, Penzance, Henry Bryant sailor, father. Married at the Register Office before Thomas Jacka (Registrar). In the District of Penzance in the county of Cornwall.
Will have to wait until Monday before I can get my computer back.
Jenny
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 8, 2008 2:44:19 GMT -5
Thanks Jenny - all updated.
Should I find anything further or have more queries I will post it all here.
CT
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Post by jmg on Nov 9, 2008 21:07:01 GMT -5
Cornish Terrier, The information you found for the children of William & Mary Davies is what I have - also:- William Jnr married Christine Jane Laidlaw Thomas Henry married Elizabeth Taylor Frederick married Kate Vinall
Alfred was the informant on Mary’s death certificate 1922, he was aged 49 at the time. Other children alive at the time were Mary Jane 69, William 67 and Eliza 65, so both Thomas Henry and Frederick were deceased by 1922. I may have to get the certificate for William and Emily (with Mary Roach as mother) to see whom the informants are.
Cornishmaid – William Bryant married Margery Thomas 31st May 1789 in St. Ives. William born 1767, parents William Bryant and Jane Noall, who married 11th June 1765 in St. Ives. That’s as far as I go.
Bye for now, Jenny
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Post by Mal on Nov 10, 2008 7:29:47 GMT -5
Aha!!!
Causewayhead- there's an interesting address as I have a death certificate for William Davies, aged 70, 1870, that gives Causewayhead as address. The certificate is not easily legible and the witness present at death is Grace Day/May/Davy, I can't read it!!! Drat!!! But there is an interesting clue indeed.... Will check tonight when I am at home.
The plot thickens...
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 10, 2008 12:52:48 GMT -5
This last William (m. 1765) - could be the William BRYANT buried at St Ives 16th August 1822 at the age of 89. That would place his birth about 1733. But there is another dilemma here. William BRYANT of Lelant married Jane MARTINS at St Ives 27th November 1756 Appears both Williams (each with wife Jane) were baptising children at the same time at St Ives. Then throw in the William BRYANT who married Jane TILLY at Lelant in 1737. There are children at Lelant to William and Jane through until 1757 with the last being a William who could belong to the 1756 marriage. This is going to take some working out. Be handy if I can find some Wills to help out I think. Looks like a job for 'tomorrow'.
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Post by jmg on Nov 11, 2008 20:48:25 GMT -5
Thanks for throwing another William Bryant marrying a Jane into the picture.
The only birth I found for William Bryant in the area was in 1734 in Lelant. Parents were James and Mary.
I must admit I am confused. I will have to try and find out who Margery Thomas’ parents were and see if William Bryant and Margery Thomas’ children’s names gives me any clues.
Thanks, Bye for now, Jenny
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