Sampson Quick

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi again - this time with a possibly helpful suggestion for you!

I just noticed that you have mentioned 'hand-writing' information that you find instead of printing on your friend's computer.

There is a much easier way and also saves on pens/pencils!

Why not just save any items you find to a folder on the PC and then when you are done copy it to a CD or Floppy and take it home with you?!

A lot of stuff on Ancestry will come up on screen with a menu to the left.

At or near the bottom of that menu is an item called 'View Printer Friendly'.

Click on that and the display will change.

Then go to your top toolbar and hit 'File' - 'Save As' and then just point to the folder where you want the information saved.

If you are using Internet Explorer 7 or 8 you may not have the toolbar at the top showing. (The one with File, Edit etc.)

If that is the case then just hit the Alt key and that toolbar will appear - then just follow the above.

Another thing you may want to copy or save is an image (e.g. the page of a Census) and you have to go about this in a slightly different way.

In this case you do not want to use the top toolbar!!!

When the image appears on screen there will be a toolbar immediately above the image.

On the right side of that toolbar will be a number of icons such as 'Print' - 'Share' - 'Save'.

In this case you want 'Save'.

Pressing this will bring up two or three options amongst which are:-

Save to Shoebox

Save to your Computer

Check on 'Save to your Computer' and then simply direct where you wat the file or image saved!

Many items will 'default' to save locations like 'Downloads', 'My Documents' or, in the case of photos/images, 'My Photos'.

So just change the location to the folder you have selected.

When you are finished simply copy that folder to a CD/DVD, pack up and go home to play around with your material on your own computer!

CT

[Sarch]

Hi CT

Ok thanks very much - it went back two more generations than I thought to the son John of Benedict and Prudence which I had as not married ;D

this is what I have now
Descendants of Benedict Quick

1 Benedict Quick
.. +Prudence Varryan m: 14 Aug 1705 in St Ives, Cornwall
..... 2 John Quick b: Abt. 1716 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
......... +Christian Luke m: 23 Feb 1745/46 in Lelant, Cornwall
............ 3 John Quick b: Abt. 1758 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
................ +Jane Barnecourt m: 07 Oct 1781 in Phillack, Cornwall
.................... 4 Sampson Quick b: Abt. 1794 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
........................ +Mary Ralph m: 06 Feb 1821 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
............ *2nd Wife of John Quick:
................ +Loveday Leacher m: St Ives, Cornwall, England

Just checking to see if I have not left out a generation?

I have left out the other children of Benedict and Prudence that I have who are:
Elizabeth abt 1706 - I dont have her married to anyone
Benedict abt 1711 - died young
Benedict abt 1712 - married Mary ? had one son Thomas m Margaret Benney - their (only have one) son Benedict m Jane Stevens and had 9 children etc

Teresa it looks like we may be about 10th cousins after all.

Regards
Di

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Teresa
Unbelievable -

Can't wait to hear from Lannanta as I am sure he must descend from Thomas too!!

I can't remember the last time a lady couldn't wait to hear from me ;D ;D
Let me have a look at things tomorrow when I have some time to relax and study a bit. Have to say though that CT is the man when it comes to this family, I am just a novice, but as we are most likely, by way of marrige of course, Cornish cousins, it will be a pleasure to make the link.

Lannanta

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Hello Di

this is what I have now
Descendants of Benedict Quick

1 Benedict Quick
.. +Prudence Varryan m: 14 Aug 1705 in St Ives, Cornwall
..... 2 John Quick b: Abt. 1716 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
......... +Christian Luke m: 23 Feb 1745/46 in Lelant, Cornwall
............ 3 John Quick b: Abt. 1758 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
................ +Jane Barnecourt m: 07 Oct 1781 in Phillack, Cornwall
.................... 4 Sampson Quick b: Abt. 1794 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
........................ +Mary Ralph m: 06 Feb 1821 in St Ives, Cornwall, England
............ *2nd Wife of John Quick:
................ +Loveday Leacher m: St Ives, Cornwall, England

Just checking to see if I have not left out a generation?

Looks pretty good to me .

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Looks like you have the links down to John right - at least that is how Lannanta and I have them recorded and we have, I think, enough proof to verify it all.

I have left out the other children of Benedict and Prudence that I have who are:
Elizabeth abt 1706 - I dont have her married to anyone
Benedict abt 1711 - died young
Benedict abt 1712 - married Mary ? had one son Thomas m Margaret Benney - their (only have one) son Benedict m Jane Stevens and had 9 children etc

At the moment we know nothing more about Elizabeth but there are still several QUICK girls who married that we have not yet been able to correctly place.

I have no recordof Benedict born about 1711 so do you have a source for that?

Benedict - we have still not been able to find a marriage or to determine the maiden name of his wife so that is another on our list to try and find.

Benedict and Mary had five known children:-

Mary bp. 24th July 1736 St Ives married James STEVENS at St Ives in 1766. (she died 1815 St Ives)

Prudence - (no baptism record found but obviously belongs) married William DANIELL 25th January 1769 at St Ives.

Bennett - buried at St Ives in 1741

Thomas bp. 3rd January 1743 at St Ives married Margaret BENNEY. They also had a daughter Margaret baptised in 1775.

Patience bp. 5th August 1749 St Ives married Michael CURNOW 20th May 1782 at St Ives. (she died 1817 St Ives).

Returning to Benedict and Mary:-

Although, once again, no baptism has been found I believe you can add another son.

Thomas QUICK, cordwainer of St Ives married Jane CANARTHEN 10th June 1732 at Lelant.

They named their first daughter Jane, obviously after mother, but the second daughter was named Prudence and it is probable this was for Thomas' mother.

CT

[Sarch]

Not sure on Benedict Quick b abt 1711 died young s/o Benedict and Prudence Varryan - will have to come back on that

Thanks for the rest

Di

[Sarch]

Hi CT

Just checking that this Thomas m Jane Carnarthen was the son of Benedict Q and Prudence Varryan - so easy to get mixed up will all the names being the same.

Sarch

[Cornish Terrier]

It is certainly my belief that Thomas, husband of Jane CANARTHEN, was most likely the son of Benedict and Prudence (nee VARYAN).

Without a baptism I have had to rely on circumstantial evidence but the fact he named his second daughter Prudence seems reasonable proof of the link.

Not absolute proof of course but there is really no other family where Thomas might logically belong.

CT

[newlyn]

Some info on Benedict Quick
b. 1.1.1711 St Ives.
Another Benedict was b. 5.1.1712.
Both sons of another Benedict Quick.

Deaths of Benedict Quicks are:
30.3.1716 St Ives and 21.8.1765 St Ives.

Prudence Varryan/Varrian bap. 20.5.1678 St Ives
Father of Prudence - Bennett Varian b.24.3.1612 Phillack
Father of Bennett - Joyce Verran.

As usual nothing proven.

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CT

One thing we do not know as yet is the name of John's first wife?

It appears her christian name was Catherine but that is all I have been able to find so far.

Would appreciate it if you are able to fill in a few of those details for us.

FreeBMD shows a 'possible match' in 1845.

With multiple marriages on the page it is difficult but there is a Catherine Thomas EADEY married about the same time who could be her.

But then I don't know given that the wife of John was apparently born at Zennor about 1820 according to the 1851 Census.

EADEY is not a Zennor name and I can find none of them baptised there.

There is also a match in 1846 in FreeBMD - March quarter at Penzance - Catherine Richards - a good Zennor name. I believe that there was a baptism for a Catherine at Zennor on the 25th December 1818 at Zennor - daughter of John and Catherine - and they are possibly John Richards and Catherine White who were married at Towednack in 1815?

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta - nice try but afraid I have to disappoint you.

John QUICK married Jane Osborn 10th February 1846 at Zennor, by Licence

Apart from that the Catherine we are looking for was age 37 when she died in 1860 which places her birth around 1823 while the 1851 Census entry suggests a birth around 1821 or 1822.

Combining both I would say born sometime in 1822.

Cannot find any sign of Catherine Thomas Eadey in the 1841 Census just yet and so far unable to find a possible baptism although I have not yet checked all information available.

Doing a little investigating and thinking about this problem I am very close to the opinion that John QUICK certaintly DID NOT marry Catherine Thomas EADEY.

After considering the problem I had another look at FreeBMD:-

1845 Redruth R.D.
September Qtr
Vol 9 Page 289

There are only NINE names listed!

Five male and only four female names appear on this list which means that it is highly possible that the bride of John QUICK is the missing name.

My next step is to try to piece together the list of names into partners after which I will hopefully be able to post a result here.

And with any luck I will also be able to identify John QUICK's bride.

CT

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Oh yeh, sorry about that - too busy telling myself how clever I was.

[Cornish Terrier]

Starting to look like my theory may be incorrect.

Everything so far is beginning to point back the other way and indicating that Catherine Thomas EADEY may indeed by the correct one.

Here is the list of names recorded in FreeBMD for the 1845 marriage:-

Male

Walter CHINN
Ralph HENDRA
Edward ROWE
Nicholas TRETHOWAN
John QUICK

Female

Caroline BOWDEN
Catherine Thomas EADEY
Betsey PASCOE
Margaret RODDA

Working on the male names here is a summary of what I have been able to find:-

WALTER CHINN

Although there are a couple of this name in the Census one is married to Jane and the other is the son of Walter and Jane and was born about 1839.

The birth of the son pre-dates the marriage by six years so these must be discounted.

However there was a Caroline CHINN, age 26, widow, at Phillack.
This would appear to have been the second wife of Mr CHINN given the ages of the children are 14, 11 and 9.

There was a death for a Walter CHINN in the Redruth District in 1949.

CAROLINE BOWDEN Eliminated

RALPH HENDRA

1851 Census shows a Ralph HENDRA, age 29, born Gwinear with wife Margaret, age 29, born Crowan.

Ralph Hendra bp. 28th October 1821 Gwinear
Margaret Rodda bp. 22nd July 1821 Crowan

That probably eliminates MARGARET RODDA

EDWARD ROWE

1851 Census

Edward ROWE, head, mar., 47, Crowan
Elizabeth, wife, mar., 53, Exeter
Frances PASCOE, 19, Daughter-in-law

That, I think, eliminates BETSY PASCOE

NICHOLAS TRETHOWAN

The only possible Nicholas Trethowan I can find in 1851 was age 25, born Verryan, widower and living at Gwennap.

I can find no Death for a Catherine TRETHOWAN and the only possibilities appearing in FreeBMD are -

Ann TRETHOWAN died March Qtr 1848 Falmouth
Sarah TRETHOWAN died September Qtr 1850 St German's
Mary TRETHOWAN died March Qtr 1851 Redruth

The last of these is the more likely to have been the wife of Nicholas.

Also - this is the ONLY marriage for a Nicholas TRETHOWAN recorded in FreeBMD through to the end of 1851.

And that leaves John QUICK and Catherine Thomas EADEY!

I must say that I am still not totally convinced as none of the above can be totally conclusive without appropriate documents.

However there is certainly enough here to suggest the probability that John QUICK did, in fact, marry Catherine Thomas EADEY.

My concerns with this are 1. her stated birthplace is Zennor yet there is no one of that name baptised at Zennor and it is certainly not a Zennor name and 2. her burial was recorded as 'Catherine' rather than 'Catherine Thomas QUICK'.

This problem may not ultimately be sorted out without the Marriage Certificate!

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CT

However there is certainly enough here to suggest the probability that John QUICK did, in fact, marry Catherine Thomas EADEY.

My concerns with this are 1. her stated birthplace is Zennor yet there is no one of that name baptised at Zennor and it is certainly not a Zennor name and 2. her burial was recorded as 'Catherine' rather than 'Catherine Thomas QUICK'.

But there are an awful lot of EDDY's at Zennor me old mate.

There was:
Catherine - b. 16/1/1820 - dau of Andrew/Jane
Kitty - b. 3/9/1820 - dau of Nathaniel/Grace
Christiana - b. 29/9/1822 - dau of Philip/Elizabeth
Christian - b. 19/12/1824 - dau of Willam/Margaret.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

Yeah - I have looked at those but at the moment cannot see a possible link to account for the Thomas name.

And the other concern is that EADEY is a name in it's own right and it is mostly from around areas East of West Penwith!

Of the four possibles you list the mothers are:-

Andrew m. Jane EDDY
Nathaniel m. Grace COCK
Philip m. Elizabeth EDDY
William m. Margaret CHYGWIN

There was an Andrew bp. Zennor in 1801 s/o Andrew and Jane (nee THOMAS) and it is possibly he who married Jane EDDY.

But that marriage was not until 1824!!

Catherine bp. 1820 d/o Andrew and Jane will be the result of the marriage of Andrew QUICK to Jane EDDY at Morvah in 1811.

This is a case of either a lot more work, a bit of luck, or someone having to fork out to buy the Marriage Certificate!

CT