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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2008 0:43:02 GMT -5
Hello Folks
I do not seem to be able to find a birth/baptism for a Sampson QUICK of St Ives around 1796. Sampson travelled around a bit (including Ireland) and married Mary RALPH in St Ives in 1821 and Elizabeth JAMES around 1860 or so.
I would appreciate knowing if he appears in the St Ives parish registers.
Lannanta
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2008 20:37:43 GMT -5
Hi Folks May have solve my own question - finally. In the 41 and 51 census Sampson QUICK and Mary had the following children: Thomas Mary John Jane Benedict Sampson So I obtained the second marriage certificate to Elizabeth JAMES, widow, nee TROUNCE) and found that Sampson senior was the son of John - but there were a few Johns!! However, there was one likely John, the son of John & Christian LUKE. This John (bap 1758 in St Ives) married Jane BARNICOAT in Phillack in 1781. Known children to me were: Christian (bap 1782 in Phillack) John (bap 1784 in Phillack) Thomas (bap 1787 in St Ives) Benedict (bap 1791 in St Ives) There are two other baptisms around the same time in my records where only the father was listed, that being a John: Jane (bap 1792 in Penzance) Elizabeth (bap 1795 in St Ives); which suggests to me that it is more than conceivable that these two are part of the same family. Now back to Sampson senior: The ages given in the 51 & 61 censuses were 57 and 67 respectively. But in the second marriage of 2nd July 1860 it was 64. So Sampson was born between 1794 and 1796. These dates fit nicely into the family of John and Jane above, Sampson most likely being the youngest with a slight possibility that he was older and therefore between Jane and Elizabeth. Finally I looked at the family of John's wife - Jane BARNECOAT. Her father was Sampson BARNECOAT - must be. ;D ;D ;D Now finally, there are a few burials that suit Jane in St Ives, the two most likely being a 60 year old in 1826 and a 71 year old in 1835, the latter being less likely given the birth of the daughter Christian in 1782. Also there are a few likely burials for John, the two in 1804 and 1810 being the most likely in my opinion. I would still appreciate any comments especially if I have missed out any other likely candidate. Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 2, 2008 12:03:23 GMT -5
Lookin' good, mate! I will hopefully get to look at this properly tomorrow but I do see a couple of things that need to be looked at/considered. If Elizabeth James was a widow we need to find her first marriage. We need to find Mary's burial. Most important is to correctly identify Sampson's father and, ideally, to find Sampson's baptism would be a very good starting point. Why was Sampson 'all over the shop; is another question? Children baptised at Helston, Sheviocke, Cawsand, Ireland and St Ives. Do we have any other mentions of Quicks from the St Ives area being in Ireland around a similar time? Will think about it with a clearer head tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2008 15:13:41 GMT -5
Morning CT
I know of only one other family in Ireland at the same time and that was Israel and Jane Allen, two of their children - William and John were born there about the same time as Sampsons children. Sampson was a shoemaker and Israel was a shipwright, Israel from Towednack and Sampson from St Ives - 4th cousins - maybe, maybe not.
A few options for deaths for Mary ranging from 1855 to 1859 but no way to see which one would be correct.
I have not been able to find Sampson's baptism especially looking at St Ives.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 3, 2008 1:11:38 GMT -5
Afternoon Lannanta. My opinion is that you are very probably correct but I was extremely tired and trying to get through the last of the messages when I got to that one and simply fired away with everything that came to mind at the time. Just want to be as sure as possible but I expect to be updating my database accordingly a little later tonight when I settle in to attack a few things properly. Hopefully getting what should be the last of my hardware and software sorted over the next few hours and then should be able to concentrate properly on investigating some of the many queries I need to look at. A good supply of coffee is on hand. ;D
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 5, 2008 9:38:49 GMT -5
Time for a refresher on this one - and also a little more information. Firstly a question - Lannanta, on the marriage certificate of Sampson to Eizabeth was there any mention of his father's occupation? (that would really clinch the identity) I am of the opinion that Sampson was probably the son of John and Jane (Barnecoat) particularly given that Sampson named a son Benedict and the family of John and Jane seems to be the only one with a Benedict where Sampson might belong. I have not yet checked Penzance but there were Quicks there so Jane may or may not belong. But I do have a problem with Elizabeth given I cannot find her baptism at St Ives. - please confirm details. I think these can be ignored. I believe Jane will have been buried sometime between the birth of Sampson and 1796 as I am sure it was this John QUICK who, as a widowed cordwainer, married Loveday LEACHER at St Ives in 1796. Most interesting that I cannot find Jane BARNECOAT or her father in IGI - in fact the only one I can find is Sampson s/o Sampson. And I can also not find Elizabeth TROUNCE in IGI and, although recorded in the Census as being born St Ives, I cannot find her at St Ives either. And now for some additional stuff. By pure chance I found some more information about Sampson and his family - not much but something. I was making enquiries about another QUICK who had been married at Maker and got in touch with the OPC there for further details. Although unable to help with the required detail of my initial query I did get something of interest which I will show during the following comments. According to Census records Sampson QUICK was a shoe maker - an honourable profession in those days I am sure. Sampson's wife was from Helston and, although married at St Ives, his first child was baptised there but his last two children, Sampson and Francis, were baptised back at St Ives. It is the five children in between who are of interest. Thomas Ralph and Mary Ann were baptised at Sheviocke. John was born at Cawsand (Rame). Jane was born at Bullyund, Ireland. Benedict was born at Dungarrin, Ireland. The question needs to be asked - what was a shoe maker from St Ives doing at Sheviocke and Cawsand and then in Ireland? Perhaps this (from the OPC) might help answer the question:- John son of Sampson and Mary QUICK baptised 9th April 1826 at Rame Father's occupation - REVENUE SERVICEI have tried the email link for Sheviocke OPC to see what additional information might be included for the baptisms of the two children there but, unfortunately, the email was returned as 'undeliverable'. But we can see that Sampson was a little more than just a shoe maker. Maybe his parents knew he was going to grow up to be a 'revenue man' and wanted nothing to do with him. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2008 18:54:52 GMT -5
CT The occupation of Sampson's father was given as - Gardener, deceased. Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 6, 2008 9:49:15 GMT -5
Hmmm - gave up shoe making for a rake and shovel. Maybe everyone had a pair of shoes. I have managed to send another email to the OPC for Sheviocke so hopefully I will get a response. Appears the email address has changed and the initial note was sent using the address from the Online Parish Register site (krisesjoint). This last one I accessed through the OPC site. The picture builds.
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Post by teesakiwi on Apr 7, 2009 2:13:13 GMT -5
Hi Lannanta, I was very kindly sent this site by someone who is maybe a distant relative. It appears, after reading your posts, that we may be closely linked and I could hardly believe my eyes when I read all the Posts as it all matches the info (more or less) as to what I have... And guess what...I live in Timaru!!
My husband comes down the same line you appear to be researching......John Quick a (Gardener) to his son Sampson to his son John to his son Thomas. THomas came to New Zealand in 1874 with his first wife Martha who died in NZ at age 33/34 and Thomas married again to a Timaru girl. Their first child was Florence Quick and is my husbands grandmother. I laughed when I read the bit about Sampson going to Ireland, cause I was wondering about that too! Plse feel free to contact me if you are interested in the information I have. I appear to be at the same stage as you....trying to work out Sampson's parents, although it appears that you have done very well. Cheers for now Teresa
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 7, 2009 3:31:43 GMT -5
Hello Teresa and welcome to Penwith Genealogy. I have been working on the QUICK families with Lannanta and it is very nice to have some added input. To this point I had not tried to follow any of this particular line down past the names of the children of John (son of Sampson) QUICK so your input will be most welcome. I take it that the marriage to which you refer will be Thomas QUICK and Martha CADDY in the June Qtr of 1874 in the Redruth Registration District? It is the only marriage that seems to fit with your comment about arriving in NZ in 1874. One thing we do not know as yet is the name of John's first wife? It appears her christian name was Catherine but that is all I have been able to find so far. Would appreciate it if you are able to fill in a few of those details for us. FreeBMD shows a 'possible match' in 1845. With multiple marriages on the page it is difficult but there is a Catherine Thomas EADEY married about the same time who could be her. But then I don't know given that the wife of John was apparently born at Zennor about 1820 according to the 1851 Census. EADEY is not a Zennor name and I can find none of them baptised there. Anyway - will await your input before I start chasing that one around again. Nice to have you aboard, CT
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Post by Sarch on Apr 7, 2009 5:31:14 GMT -5
Hello
I am interested in the parents of John Quick (gardener) father of Sampson Quick as he may be one of the John Quicks I have in my database that I don't have married to anyone as yet.
I am a desendant of Israel Quick married to Jane Allen
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 7, 2009 6:42:09 GMT -5
Hello Sarch - and a big welcome to you also. In answer to your question:- John QUICK was baptised 22nd October 1758 at St Ives and was the son of John QUICK and Christian LUKE who married 23rd February 1747 at Lelant. John married twice:- 1. Jane BARNECOURT at Phillack 7th October 1781 2. Loveday LEACHER at St Ives 20th November 1796 His father, John, was baptised at St Ives 10th January 1716 son of Benedict QUICK and Prudence VARRYAN who married at St Ives 14th August 1705. Hope that 'tucks away' one of those Johns for you. I (and I am sure Lannanta) will be interested in your connections back to Israel and Jane and will certainly look forward to having some discussion with you about all these Quick families we have been trying to sort out. And please let us know what other John QUICKs you have floating about unattached and we will see what we can do to help you sort them out. CT
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Post by teesakiwi on Apr 7, 2009 17:38:31 GMT -5
Hello CT and am I thrilled to find this site or what!! I am new to this type of forum and only hope I am using it correctly. I have been working my way back thru the lines and arrived at John (Gardener) (father of Sampson) and that is where I am at, so just so excited to see wot you have done. So this is what I have found on very limited access to sites etc as I am knew at this...
Sampson Quick b. 1794/96 St Ives, Cornwall o. Shoemaker d. 1864 ? m 6/2/1821 St Ives to Mary Ralph b. 1794/96 Helston d
m 1860 (2nd Marriage) to Elizabeth James (nee Trounce) b. 1829
NEXT GENERATION
Thomas Ralph b. 1823 Cornwall d. o. shoemaker apprentice
Mary b. 1826 Cornwall John b. 1826 Cawsand, Cornwall d. 1881-1891 o. Shoemaker App m. 12 July 1845 - Phillack Wesleylan Chappell, Copperhouse to Catherine Thomas Eadey b. 1821 Gwithian, Zennor d. 1859 ?
m. 21/9/1861 (2nd marriage) to Elizabeth Moon b. 1828/30 Gwinear ( not sure if this is absolutely correct)
Jane b. 1829 Ballyindren, Ireland
Bennett/Benedict b. 1831 Dungarven, Ireland
Sampson b. 22/9/1833 Cornwall christened 24.10.1833
Francis b. 4/2/1836 St. Ives christened 6.3.1836
NEXT GENERATION FROM JOHN
Catherine b 1847 Phillack, Cornwall
John Francis b. 1849/50 Cornwall o. Coal Porter
Thomas b. 1851 Hayle, Phillack, Cornwall d. 1936 Christchurch NZ o. Labourer in NZ m 1874? to Martha Caddy b 1853/54 Cornwall
They immigrated to NZ 10.6.1874 on the 'Cathcart". Martha died age 34 in 1888 in Christchurch NZ. Not sure if they had any children
m. 2nd marriage 20.4.1889 to Rose Emily Lane of Timaru NZ b. 1870? Timaru
Bennett b. 1854 Phillack
Sampson b. 1857/58 Hayle o. Iron Moulder
William b. 1859 Hayle o. Cellarman
NEXT GENERATION
Florence Myrtle Quick b. 24.6.1900 NZ m. to Charled Edward Potter of Reefton
NEXT GENERATION
Douglas Edward Potter
Rona Potter
NEXT GENERATION
David Potter
Alan Potter My line goes thru the underlined names. Dates are very difficult as trying to match them up with the census, they seem to change from one to the next. Every man in my direct line has married twice!!
Would love to hear from anyone who is connected with my line and grateful for any corrections or alterations to the above.
Cheers for now Teresa
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 7, 2009 18:19:03 GMT -5
Hi Teresa - you are doing fine. If you have had a look around the site you will notice that we are often not overly formal here but I think we are certainly friendly! I am not sure if your little outline there is just the bits you know but there are certainly more children for Sampson and Mary. Once we get settled we can start filling in some of those gaps. Right at this point in time I am interested in the marriage of John and Catherine. BTW John was buried at Phillack 11th February 1891 age 64 of Commercial Road. As I think I mentioned in an earlier note the only realistic marriage I could ever find for John was the one to Catherine Thomas EADEY. My concern has always been that in the Census Catherine's birthplace is recorded as Zennor. I notice you have quoted the date of marriage and noted the place as Phillack Wesleyan Chapel, Copperhouse. Have you seen the Register entry yourself or a Transcript of it? And if it was a transcript could you please tell me where as I do not seem to have that particular Chapel amongst my collection of PR Transcripts. If you have the details of the marriage I wonder if you could copy them here or at least tell me if the name of Catherine's father was recorded? EADEY is not a Zennor name so I am curious as to the reference to her having been born there. Of course she could be an EDDY but I do know EADEY as a surname in its own right - at least back then. Catherine was buried at Phillack 26th July 1860 age 37 of Trevassack. And if you were not aware of it John married Elizabeth WILLIAMS, widow (nee MOON) at Phillack 21st September 1861. That reminds me that I need to find some details of her first marriage! (Sneaks off to check if anything can be found on FreeBMD! ) Hmmm - the most likely would be to James WILLIAMS in 1859 at Newport, Monmouthshire so a good deal more work will have to go into that one! Must leave it at that for now but I am sure Lannanta will poke his head in here sometime soon so let's see what he has to say about the situation. CT
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Post by teesakiwi on Apr 7, 2009 18:36:41 GMT -5
Hello again! and thanks so much for the welcome. I do appreciate any alterations or additons you can give me as I am trying to do this on Free sites....however...my friend has 6 months free subscription to Ancestry.co.uk and that is where I got that info re John's marriage to Catherine Eadey and the church. I didn't like to keep printing stuff out on my friends computer, so just hand wrote most of it. I am pretty sure it didn't give her father's details, but will check all this for you next time I am at her place and this time will save the info and post it here. Can't wait to hear from Lannanta as I am sure he must descend from Thomas too!! Thanks again for your help and if I get anymore info, I will pass it on... Teesakiwi
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