Here is something that 'may' be of interest to people involved in this discussion.
PLEASE note the reference to JAMES AND SUSANNA WOOLCOCK (nee SAUL).
(Unfortunately it is towards the end of this information but you may like to read the thread to see how the conclusion was arrived at.)
This will be rather long but have decided to copy my correspondence between Jill in South Africa and myself regarding an interesting family who were in St Ives.
I again apologise for the probable length of this posting but I am sure a few of you will find it interesting.
And some of you may even be able to add some thoughts to help out.
Thank you once more, Ian.
One correction: It's Gaye who lives in New Zealand - I'm in Cape Town.
I'll keep my eyes open for the Trewhelers.
Jill
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian J Trewhella
To: Jill Martin
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: BOSANQUET
I know we need to get this offline - however we have found someone else interested in this problem.
I have been to Paul and must admit that the 'Three Tuns' was an Inn I missed! (if it still exists?)
There is an Inn at St Keverne called by the same name ....
However ...........
I will try and work more on this after work tonight and see what more I can find.
One final thing - I notice you are in New Zealand but have mentioned Pretoria, SA.
If you have noticed my recent postings regarding that area and can find someone to help regarding Blanche and Anatole Trewheler I would be most grateful.
As stated - will take another look at this tonight and see what more I can do.
As Mr Spok would say - 'interesting', or 'fascinating'.
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From: Jill Martin
To: Ian J Trewhella
Cc: gaye.grieve@sideon.co.nz
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:02 AM
Subject: BOSANQUET
Hi again, Ian
It's good to correspond with another amateur sleuth - although perhaps you're a real one? There is no real purpose to all this, since the family has possibly died out, but I do enjoy solving mysteries.
I've found some more bits of interesting information.
First, in 1883, when John Peak Bosanquet was born, the address was Baileys Lane. One of the postcards sent to James had the address as Bailey's Hill, St Ives.
Second, James was clearly a seaman of some kind, which would account for his being in different places at various times, although how he met up with the Dusting family in Pretoria I have no idea - but I'm working on it. (See below!) One postcard is addressed to James at SS Trekieve, Barry Dock, Barry - do you know where this is? According to Google, the ship was torpedoed in 1941.
Ian, have just received you latest email - thank you. Gaye, I'm copying this to you.Will keep you posted on anything else I find.
Have just made a possible breakthrough. I think that Edith Dusting's father might have been Ernest - he was E. Dusting, and James Bosanquet's postcards were initially addressed to him. I found this possible Cornish connection and I think I'm right. One of the postcards from James to Mr E. Dusting was addressed to a watchmaker's in Pretoria.
Here is an 1881 census entry:
Dwelling: Three Tuns
Census Place: Paul, Cornwall, England
Source: FHL Film 1341563 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2344 Folio 85 Page 25
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Martha DUSTING W 56 F Marazion, Cornwall, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Inn Keeper
M.J. DUSTING U 24 F Penzance, Cornwall, England
Rel: Daur
Ernest DUSTING 17 M Penzance, Cornwall, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Watchmaker
Mary E. RICHARDS 7 F Newlyn, Cornwall, England
Rel: Grand Daur
Occ: Scholar
Mary LANGLEY U 21 F Paul, Cornwall, England
Rel: Servant
Occ: Domestic Servant
R.C. BRADBAR U 29 M Lowestoft, Suffolk, England
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Fish Salesman
Thomas BROWN U 21 M Lowestoft, Suffolk, England
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Fish Merchant
I need to go through the postcards again very carefully. Now I must go to bed - long past my usual bedtime.
All the best
Jill
You are most welcome Jill. :-)
Here are a few things that seem to fit into the picture you have outlined.
At this stage all events occurred at St Ives, Cornwall.
11 Sep 1878 by Banns
James Bosanquet 32 widower Gas stoker of St. Ives (Father: Richard
Bosanquet, Gasworks manager)
Susan Peak 27 spinster of St. Ives (Father: John Peak, Miner)
Witnesses: William Woolcock, Harriet Bosanquet
You will note that James was a widower at this time but I cannot find an
earlier marriage at St Ives.
I will check some baptisms prior to checking earlier Census records for you.
Once again all information, for now, is at St Ives.
Baptisms
1879
19 Mar Richard c/o James (Gas works Manager) & Susan Bosanquet of St. Ives
b. 3 Feb
1880
29 Sep James c/o James (Gas fitter) & Susan Bosanquet of St. Ives b. 26 Aug
1883
9 Feb John Peak c/o James (Gas stoker) & Susan Bosanquet of Baileys Lane b.
5 Dec 1882
1885
10 Jul William Henry c/o James (Fisher) & Susan Bosanquet of Street Petite
b. 28 Apr
1887
16 Nov Susan Gertrude c/o James (Marine engineman) & Susan Bosanquet of
Street Petite b. 30 Sep
It is unfortunate that I do not currently have Burial records for St Ives
that might help identify the first wife.
But I can also find no record of any children at St Ives for James prior to
those listed above.
Now for Census Records.
1871
Fore Street (Bread Shop), St Ives
Jane Bosanquet, head, widow, 67, shopkeeper, bn. Kenwyn
James Bosanquet, son, unm., 24, stoker and fireman, bn. St Ives
In 1861 the name is indexed as ROSANQUET. (
)
1861
Digey(?), Gas Works, St Ives
Richard Bosanquet, head, mar., 62, gas works manager, bn. St Day
Jane do., wife, mar., 56, bn. Kenwyn
Thomas do., son, unm., 16, seaman (merchant service), bn. St Ives
James do., son, unm, 14, gas works (assistant), bn. St Ives
Thomas Tonking, son-in-law, widr., 39, seaman (merchant service), bn. St
Buryan
Thomas Tonking, grandson, 6, scholar, bn. St Ives
In 1851 the name is indexed as BOSANGUET
1851
Digey, St Ives
Richard Bosanquet, head, mar., 53, gas works manager, bn. Gwennap
Jane do., wife, mar., 46, manager's wife, bn. Gwennap
Herriot do., daur., unm., 19, bn. St Ives
Wm Hy do., son, unm., 12, bn. St Ives
Mary Jane do., daur, 8, bn. St Ives
Thomas do., son, 5, bn. St Ives
James do., son, 4, bn. St Ives
Finally (for this note) I think I have now found Susan PEAK in the 1861
Census at St Ives.
1861
Digey, St Ives
John Peak, head, mar., 39, tin miner, bn. Gulval
Mary do., wife, mar., 38, bn. St Austell
Susan do., daur, 9, scholar, bn. St Ives
Elizabeth A do., daur, 8, scholar, bn. St Ives
Mary W do., daur, 6, scholar, bn. St Ives
James do., son, 4, bn. St Ives
Anna do., daur, 1, bn. St Ives
Susan WOOLCOCK, wife's mother, widow, 64, green grocer, bn. Ladock
Hope all of this helps you and it certainly looks interesting.
I must say that in all my years searching out families in West Cornwall that
I cannot recall ever coming across the name of Bosanquet.
Best Wishes and let me know if I might add to this for you,
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jill Martin" <jillm@iafrica.com>
To: <south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [ZA-IB] Edith DUSTING/James BOSANQUET
> Thank you for your reply, Ian.
>
> I actually found 168 Bosanquets on the 1881 British census, and 177
> Bosankos
> and the odd Bosankoe. The latter were almost all born in Cornwall, while
> there were many Bosanquets born elsewhere in England - as you say, perhaps
> a
> derivation of the original name.
>
> I think that this could be the James who wrote the postcards - the one age
> 7
> months. There is a postcard from James written to an R. Bosanquet with the
> salutation "Dear Brother" who might have been the Richard in the census.
>
> Dwelling: 15 Porthmeor Square
> Census Place: St Ives, Cornwall, England
> Source: FHL Film 1341562 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2341 Folio 107
> Page 7
> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
> James BOSANQUET M 33 M St Ives, Cornwall, England
> Rel: Head
> Occ: Assistant Fitter At Gas Works
> Susan BOSANQUET M 29 F St Ives, Cornwall, England
> Rel: Wife
> Occ: Gas Fitters Wife
> Richard BOSANQUET 2 M St Ives, Cornwall, England
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Infant
> James BOSANQUET 7 m M St Ives, Cornwall, England
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Baby
>
> It would be nice to find out more about these people. It's always sad when
> a
> family's carefully collected mementos are discarded.
>
> Jill
>
>
>
>>I would suggest that, if he originally lived in Cornwall, that his name
>>was
>> (or he is descended from) BOSANKO.
>>
>> Be very interested to see any further information on him and I can try
>> and
>> follow it up for you.
>>
>> Ian Trewhella
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jill Martin" <jillm@iafrica.com>
>>
>>> Does anyone know anything about this couple?
>>>
>>> I am trying to piece together their story from a series of postcards
>>> that
>>> turned up in a charity shop in Pretoria. He appears to have originally
>>> lived
>>> in Cornwall. According to the National Archives they eventually married
>>> and
>>> he died in Pretoria in 1944, leaving Edith a widow.
>>>
>>> Jill Martin
>
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You are most welcome Jill. :-)
Here are a few things that seem to fit into the picture you have outlined.
At this stage all events occurred at St Ives, Cornwall.
11 Sep 1878 by Banns
James Bosanquet 32 widower Gas stoker of St. Ives (Father: Richard
Bosanquet, Gasworks manager)
Susan Peak 27 spinster of St. Ives (Father: John Peak, Miner)
Witnesses: William Woolcock, Harriet Bosanquet
You will note that James was a widower at this time but I cannot find an
earlier marriage at St Ives.
I will check some baptisms prior to checking earlier Census records for you.
Once again all information, for now, is at St Ives.
Baptisms
1879
19 Mar Richard c/o James (Gas works Manager) & Susan Bosanquet of St. Ives
b. 3 Feb
1880
29 Sep James c/o James (Gas fitter) & Susan Bosanquet of St. Ives b. 26 Aug
1883
9 Feb John Peak c/o James (Gas stoker) & Susan Bosanquet of Baileys Lane b.
5 Dec 1882
1885
10 Jul William Henry c/o James (Fisher) & Susan Bosanquet of Street Petite
b. 28 Apr
1887
16 Nov Susan Gertrude c/o James (Marine engineman) & Susan Bosanquet of
Street Petite b. 30 Sep
It is unfortunate that I do not currently have Burial records for St Ives
that might help identify the first wife.
But I can also find no record of any children at St Ives for James prior to
those listed above.
Now for Census Records.
1871
Fore Street (Bread Shop), St Ives
Jane Bosanquet, head, widow, 67, shopkeeper, bn. Kenwyn
James Bosanquet, son, unm., 24, stoker and fireman, bn. St Ives
In 1861 the name is indexed as ROSANQUET. (
)
1861
Digey(?), Gas Works, St Ives
Richard Bosanquet, head, mar., 62, gas works manager, bn. St Day
Jane do., wife, mar., 56, bn. Kenwyn
Thomas do., son, unm., 16, seaman (merchant service), bn. St Ives
James do., son, unm, 14, gas works (assistant), bn. St Ives
Thomas Tonking, son-in-law, widr., 39, seaman (merchant service), bn. St
Buryan
Thomas Tonking, grandson, 6, scholar, bn. St Ives
In 1851 the name is indexed as BOSANGUET
1851
Digey, St Ives
Richard Bosanquet, head, mar., 53, gas works manager, bn. Gwennap
Jane do., wife, mar., 46, manager's wife, bn. Gwennap
Herriot do., daur., unm., 19, bn. St Ives
Wm Hy do., son, unm., 12, bn. St Ives
Mary Jane do., daur, 8, bn. St Ives
Thomas do., son, 5, bn. St Ives
James do., son, 4, bn. St Ives
Finally (for this note) I think I have now found Susan PEAK in the 1861
Census at St Ives.
1861
Digey, St Ives
John Peak, head, mar., 39, tin miner, bn. Gulval
Mary do., wife, mar., 38, bn. St Austell
Susan do., daur, 9, scholar, bn. St Ives
Elizabeth A do., daur, 8, scholar, bn. St Ives
Mary W do., daur, 6, scholar, bn. St Ives
James do., son, 4, bn. St Ives
Anna do., daur, 1, bn. St Ives
Susan WOOLCOCK, wife's mother, widow, 64, green grocer, bn. Ladock
Hope all of this helps you and it certainly looks interesting.
I must say that in all my years searching out families in West Cornwall that
I cannot recall ever coming across the name of Bosanquet.
Best Wishes and let me know if I might add to this for you,
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jill Martin" <jillm@iafrica.com>
To: <south-africa-immigrants-british@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [ZA-IB] Edith DUSTING/James BOSANQUET
> Thank you for your reply, Ian.
>
> I actually found 168 Bosanquets on the 1881 British census, and 177
> Bosankos
> and the odd Bosankoe. The latter were almost all born in Cornwall, while
> there were many Bosanquets born elsewhere in England - as you say, perhaps
> a
> derivation of the original name.
>
> I think that this could be the James who wrote the postcards - the one age
> 7
> months. There is a postcard from James written to an R. Bosanquet with the
> salutation "Dear Brother" who might have been the Richard in the census.
>
> Dwelling: 15 Porthmeor Square
> Census Place: St Ives, Cornwall, England
> Source: FHL Film 1341562 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2341 Folio 107
> Page 7
> Marr Age Sex Birthplace
> James BOSANQUET M 33 M St Ives, Cornwall, England
> Rel: Head
> Occ: Assistant Fitter At Gas Works
> Susan BOSANQUET M 29 F St Ives, Cornwall, England
> Rel: Wife
> Occ: Gas Fitters Wife
> Richard BOSANQUET 2 M St Ives, Cornwall, England
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Infant
> James BOSANQUET 7 m M St Ives, Cornwall, England
> Rel: Son
> Occ: Baby
>
> It would be nice to find out more about these people. It's always sad when
> a
> family's carefully collected mementos are discarded.
>
> Jill
>
>
>
>>I would suggest that, if he originally lived in Cornwall, that his name
>>was
>> (or he is descended from) BOSANKO.
>>
>> Be very interested to see any further information on him and I can try
>> and
>> follow it up for you.
>>
>> Ian Trewhella
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jill Martin" <jillm@iafrica.com>
>>
>>> Does anyone know anything about this couple?
>>>
>>> I am trying to piece together their story from a series of postcards
>>> that
>>> turned up in a charity shop in Pretoria. He appears to have originally
>>> lived
>>> in Cornwall. According to the National Archives they eventually married
>>> and
>>> he died in Pretoria in 1944, leaving Edith a widow.
>>>
>>> Jill Martin
>
>
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Dear Jill (and Gayle),
An update on the Bosanquet family and associations.
I have been unable to locate the family in the 1841 Census but believe I have found a few things that might add to your knowledge.
James, son of Richard and Jane Bosanquet, married Susan Peak at St Ives in 1878.
From the 1861 Census we know that Susan was daughter of John and Mary Peak and that her grandmother, Susan WOOLCOCK, widow, was with the family.
From this Census we know that Mary was born about 1822 at St Austell (given that correct information was provided) and that her mother, unless remarried, was Susan Woolcock. Have just checked IGI and found:-
Mary d/o James and Susan Woolcock bp. 9th June 1822 at St Austell
James Woolcock married Susan SAWLE at Ladock 8th April 1820. (IGI)
This may now become extremely interesting if a hunch I have proves correct.
There is mention on the West Penwith Board of Woolcocks and the baptism at St Ives of Susan d/o James and Susan Woolcock (nee Saul) in 1834 is mentioned.
This may be the family in the 1841 Census at St Ives:-
James Woolcock, 40(?), miner
Susan do., 45
Mary do., 15
Ann do., 15
Susan do., 10
1851 Census
Digey, St Ives
Susan Woolcock, head, widow, 55, fruiter, bn. Parr
John Peak, stepson, Md., 30, miner, bn. St Ives
Mary Peak, daur., ??, 29, dress maker, bn. St Austle
I believe the above reference of ‘stepson’ probably refers to ‘son-in-law’ if we go by the later Census.
The ‘??’ regarding Mary is difficult as there are two vertical lines (which almost look like ‘U’) preceeding what appears to be ‘Md.’
It appears Susan Woolcock (nee Sawle) may be the following (IGI):-
Susanna d/o Joseph and Susanna Sawle bp. 1st January 1797 at Tywardreath
I will try and search out some more as I have the chance but, in the meantime, will post this to interested parties on the West Penwith Board.
Ian