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Post by sue on Jan 10, 2011 12:29:55 GMT -5
Excellent!  Just hadn't previously seen an actual example. In the scenario deduced around the birth of Lillie Collins, I can see that a double registration could have similarly occurred.... Thanks. Sue |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 13:51:19 GMT -5
CT So I guess that John married Mary as a widow and that Elizabeth is not his daughter either? I see that there is a burial at St Day for a 28 year old John, from Wheal Cupboard, in 1862 which if still our John, makes the parentage of Ann and Emily a bit suspect as well.  Those Gwennap images would be very handy right now Lannanta |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 16:12:39 GMT -5
No she wasn't and this is a classic case of me answering my own question to save anybodyy else looking. Mary Phillips, unmarried, is at Illogan in 1851 in the Redruth Union Workhouse with 2 year old Elizabeth Jane and 3 week old Emily.
She would appear to have been quite a lady - two children before John Glasson, three or four with him, probably a couple of girls after him and then another marriage in Wales to Mr Rogers.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 10, 2011 19:55:32 GMT -5
Well done Lannanta - that would seem to be another little problem sorted to a fair degree of satisfaction.  I noticed that Elizabeth might have been a bit old to be John's daughter also but in my case it was a matter of trying to establish if we had the right John before going further. Unfortunately I don't have anything for Gwennap other than the online transcripts.  But perhaps a note to George and Sandra Pritchard (OPC) might be worthwhile. CT |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2011 23:46:14 GMT -5
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I see that on the 3rd May 1842 there were some examinations of two ladies - Joanna Richards and Anna Maria Glasson concerning the settlement of Charles Glasson - document ID P103/19/4. Apparently the documents are held at the Cornwall Record Office. I guess that I would have to try and order those documents to see if they could shed any light on Charles?
So Joanna Richards would have been the wife of Samuel Richards, however previously married to Charles Glasson 1801 (Charles died 1810) and therefore she was probably Joanna Williams.
Given that Anna Maria Glasson is probably the wife of Charles Glasson junior it may be fair to suggest that Charles and Anna Maria are son and daughter in law respectively of Charles Glasson and Joanna Williams?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 13, 2011 3:08:06 GMT -5
And my first question is - What was he doing over at Ladock? Given that Ladock is involved and appears to have been his place of abode at the time the fact that Joanna Richards of Camborne is examined suggests it quite likely that your last suggestion may be correct. I think one of the sticking points with identifying Charles is that his first children were named James and Sarah followed by Jane, Charles, William and William. But it now appears very likely that Charles was the son of Charles and Joanna. As for getting to see the complete record I think the answer would be yes that you would need to order a copy from the CRO. You could try DocumentsOnline before placing the order thought. CT |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2011 3:28:30 GMT -5
CT It would be interesting to know what the examination of the two ladies was for - I cannot find a death for Charles, or maybe the settlement pertains to the elder Charles. Lannanta |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2011 5:23:15 GMT -5
CT I reckon they went to Devon and further afield. There is a death in Tavistock for Anna Maria in 1848. There is a marriage for Sarah to Edward Bennetts in 1847 in Tavistock. In the 1851 census Sarah is in Devon with her husband and two children, the three year old born in Devon and the 1 year old born in America and that is where I reckon Charles is. Lannanta |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 13, 2011 6:51:22 GMT -5
Lannanta - from what I briefly saw on the CROCAT precis of that document this is a Poor Law proceeding.
In this case I would think the 'Settlement' was something to do with Charles looking to settle in a Parish outside his own but without the required means.
OR - the prospective Parish of settlement was trying to make sure that Charles was not going to be a liability if he were allowed to move in.
I cannot see that this would have anything to do with the elder Charles given he had died 30 years before and his widow remarried.
And I think the fact that Anna Maria is involved in proceedings supports that conclusion.
(No sign of Charles in the 1850 or 1860 US Census)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2011 14:27:15 GMT -5
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Dang - best laid plans..... - I was expecting to wake up this morning and you tell me what a real smartie I was ;D
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 14, 2011 1:49:56 GMT -5
Sorry'bout that Chief! If you are planning to get those papers then it might be worth giving the brain a rest until they arrive!  Hopefully the clue you are after will be contained therein. CT |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2011 3:07:43 GMT -5
Reminds me of a certain Quick family that seemingly got lost in Devon - all scattered far and wide but eventually accounted for. They will all be somewhere, but somehow I don't think they are in Kansas.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 14, 2011 3:27:26 GMT -5
They can run ............................ but they cannot hide! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2011 22:45:19 GMT -5
CT Well that is where his brother William Williams Glasson was baptised on 16th June 1805 me old china. Lannanta |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 15, 2011 7:32:43 GMT -5
Hmmm - of course. And now we have two connections to Ladock more than 35 years apart - so what was the attraction? I will wait until I hear what you find in those papers I think. Got enough things stretching my brain right now! |
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