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Post by marychown on Jul 20, 2010 8:41:32 GMT -5
I'm wondering if anybody has any information on the family of MARY GLASSON or GLAZON (baptised Madron 4 Dec 1720) - daughter of John GLASSON or GLAZON (probably not the John Glasson baptised Camborne 1 Nov 1685) who married Jane Dale at Madron on 31 Dec 1711 (Phillimore's register: John Glasson Jun. & Jane Dale).
Mary Glasson married Daniel Rogers at Madron on 16 Aug 1755. They had three children Daniel (1756); Anne (1762) and Mary (1765) - Daniel and Anne were baptised at Gulval and Mary was baptised at Madron.
Anne Rogers married William Pooley at Madron on 4 Nov 1786.
Any information would be appreciated.
Regards,
Mary
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 20, 2010 9:43:42 GMT -5
I would be very reluctant to pencil in any connections with Camborne for this Glasson family just yet! No baptism has yet been found for John Glasson or for his brother Thomas but IGI shows Eleanor d/o John and Honour Glasson bp. 8th June 1685 at Madron. John Glasson and his wife Jane were both named in the Will of John's mother Honour Glasson at Madron in 1639. From other Wills it is known that Honour was the daughter of John PERRY of Zennor who left a Will in 1673. Honour was apparently not married at this time but she is later mentioned in the 1723 Will of her brother George Perry as 'sister Honour Glasson'. No marriage has yet been found for John Glasson and Honour Perry but we know from Honour's Will that she had two surviving sons - John and Thomas. John married Jane Dale and is the subject of your query. Thomas married Susanna Trounson at Madron in 1717. Eleanor is a mystery.  As mentioned above - her baptism appears in IGI as occurring at Madron in June 1685. Yet I cannot find the entry in the First Book of Madron Parish Registers! (That book is only a transcript so the entry may well have been missed.) Allowing that the entry is there then it makes it very unlikely that the John Glasson baptised at Camborne just a few months later would be a sibling.  Remember also that there were Glassons in the St Buryan area. CT |
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Post by marychown on Jul 20, 2010 10:28:35 GMT -5
Many thanks for replying so promptly, CT, and for clarifying that line of Glassons. I think that I now have many of the descendants of JOHN GLASSON who married JANE DALE.
My own line goes back through their daughter MARY GLASSON baptised Madron on 4 Dec 1720 who married Daniel Rogers at Madron on 16 Aug 1755. Of their offspring:
DANIEL ROGERS baptised Gulval 24 Jan 1756 married Margaret Hockin Madron on 14 Oct 1780 and they had a daughter Anne Rogers baptised Madron on 3 Feb 1788:
MARY ROGERS baptised Madron 1 March 1765;
ANNE ROGERS baptised Gulval 15 Jan 1762 married WILLIAM POOLEY Madron on 4 Nov 1786. Thelatters' offspring:
John Pooley baptised Madron 6 May 1787;
WILLIAM POOLEY (my paternal 3xgreat-grandfather) baptised Madron 26 Oct 1789, buried Madron 8 Apr 1859 married Mary Roberts of St. Hilary at Madron 29 Feb 1812;
Mary Pooley baptised Madron 9 Jan 1792, buried Madron 18 Jan 1792;
Anne Pooley baptised Madron 18 Feb 1793;
Daniel Pooley baptised Madron 7 May 1797, buried Madron 22 June 1859;
Mary Pooley baptised Madron 28 April 1799;
Elizabeth Pooley baptised Madron 30 May 1802, married William Chirgwin of St. Just Madron 31 Aug 1822, buried St. Just 24 May 1876.
WILLIAM POOLEY (baptised Madron 26 Oct 1789) married MARY ROBERTS (baptised St. Hilary 21 Dec 1782) Madron 29 Feb 1812. Their offspring:
Mary Ann Pooley baptised Madron 9 Aug 1812, married Richard Roberts of St. Hilary at Madron 12 Jan 1833 - issue of at least 11;
Catherine Pooley baptised Madron 21 Aug 1814, married Edward Trenwith Donnithorne at Madron 15 Oct 1838 - issue of 5;
ELIZABETH POOLEY (my great-great-grandmother) baptised Madron 24 Mar 1816, buried Madron 10 Jan 1858, married WILLIAM HENRY JENKIN (blacksmith at Madron Church Town) at Madron 11 May 1839) - issue of 7;
John Pooley baptised Madron 7 Dec 1817, buried Madron 20 Aug 1819;
Jane Pooley baptised Madron 28 June 1812, married James Williams of Sancreed at Sancreed on 13 Sep 1851).
All the best,
Mary
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2010 14:53:28 GMT -5
Hi Mary
I concur with CT. There were two main Glasson families in Cornwall as far as I have ascertained - Madron and Camborne - although you could consider them as centres of geographical spread for each of the two families.
There is a faint possibility that there may be some sort of a connection of parts of the family back in the 1600s and beyond and at some stage I will attempt to see if I can find it. Some time ago a Glasson friend of mine and I decided to use a DNA test to prove my theory. He was a direct male descendant from the Camborne line and I am a direct descendant from the Madron line. We have of course had to assume that both of us have not had our ancestry disturbed by illegitimacy or the like. The results, from Oxford University, showed that there was no connection apparent in a significant number of generations. The result will be proved, or disproved, after a number of other Glasson males from the two lines undertake DNA testing at some stage.
So Jane Dale, as CT said, was the daughter in law of John Glasson and Honor Perry and the wife of John as you correctly state. I also have the marriage to Daniel Rogers of their daughter Mary, although I only had one child to Mary and that was John Wallis Glasson baptised in 1738, well before she was married.
Lannanta
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Post by marychown on Jul 21, 2010 2:37:21 GMT -5
Many thanks for your information, Lannanta. I had not realised that Mary Glasson had a son John Wallis Glasson (1738) prior to her marriage to Daniel Rogers. I have now added him to my records.
Kind regards,
Mary
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Post by londoner on Jul 21, 2010 5:47:56 GMT -5
Is it too speculative to suggest that the father of John Wallis Glasson was John Wallis(h) who married Ann Boskinning at Madron 10 Feb 1738?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2010 14:44:18 GMT -5
Hi Mary Just a word of caution if I may? I recorded that data quite some time ago and while all the dates fit I do not have conclusive proof which Mary was the mother of John Wallis Glasson. Wouldn't be hard to guess who the father was as you suggest but for my part I have learnt the down side of making conclusions that I cannot prove.  Lannanta |
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Post by joanne on Sept 14, 2011 1:45:07 GMT -5
Hi am am new to this board and am hoping someone out there may be able to assist me in finding the birth & parentage of my MARY GLASSON whom married EDWARD MOYLE 1st July 1823, their son Stephen Moyle was born 1838 in Helston, MARY GLASSON married Edward in Helston her residence was Wendron.....having the same trouble locating Edwards birth...i had thought she was the daughter of John Glasson but no....her birth may be from 1796 to 1801, as cencus ages vary?  ...some one suggested she may be the daughter of William Glasson & Mary Rodgers ...he has a Mary Glasson married to a QUICK...she is the mary i thouhght mine was, but agree ..........Help please!!!! MARY GLASSON &EDWARD MOYLE had a 99 year lease from a William CARLYON in 1831 at GWAVAS....that may help in some way? also their children MARY ANN 1823,MARTHA1826,WILLIAM1828,EDWARD1832,ELIZABETH1834,CHRISTIAN 1836 and STEPHEN 1838... any help in finding her parentage i would be greatful...cheers Joanne |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 14, 2011 5:42:20 GMT -5
Welcome to the site Joanne. Lannanta and Carole will be the best to help you with the Glasson side of things I think but I can offer something at least. The only instance in my database of a Mary Glasson marrying into the Quick family (at least around that time) is the marriage of James QUICK and Mary GLASSON at Paul 3rd July 1821. But this Mary was baptised at Paul 9th October 1796 and was the daughter of John Glasson and Constance (nee Edmonds). If this is the same marriage you have alluded to then the author of that information is, in my opinion, quite wrong. The 1851 Census suggests that both Edward and Mary were born at Sithney. Mary was certainly not baptised at Sithney but she could have been born there and baptised in one of the neighbouring Parishes including Wendron and Crowan. The nearest baptism I can find at the moment for Mary would be 13th March 1796 at Crowan daughter of Edward and Eleanor but as you say her age varies in the Census. The one thing that is consisent in 1851 and 1861 is that in both years her birthplace is stated as Sithney.  I think I would be a good idea now to see what Lannanta and Carole have to offer. They have done a lot more work on the Glasson families than I so might already have the answer waiting. CT |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2011 19:09:46 GMT -5
CT 1861 is Wendron, not Sithney unless I am looking at the wrong one. Mary resident at Wendron at the time of her marriage. Lannanta |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 15, 2011 4:59:49 GMT -5
Quite right Lannanta! When I was looking at this earlier I think the closest possibility presenting itself was the daughter of Edward and Eleanor baptised at Crowan shortly before 1800. There is no mention of the family being from elsewhere in the baptism record but Sithney, Crowan and Wendron all share borders so she is certainly a candidate. CT |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 19:38:04 GMT -5
Hello CT
This is not the first time that I have agonised over this marriage - one of many for Mary Glassons in this decade - and I am sure that I am responsible for suggesting to Joanne that the parents could have been William Glasson and Mary Richards - that Mary being baptised in 1798 at St Hilary.
But I think that your suggestion of Edward and Eleanor has at least equal merit. The trouble is that there is no clear naming pattern to assist in this marriage.
You would think that having an Edward, a Stephen and a Christian in the children would provide some direction - but it doesn't.
Total children in my limited knowledge are : Martha, Mary Ann, Martha, William, Edward, Elizabeth, Christian and Stephen.
So looking for names for Mary's possible father - both Edward and William are there. If you assume that Edward Moyle is the son of William Moyle and Elizabeth IVEY then at least the names help to suggest that this connection is correct - especially when William and Elizabeth had a daughter named Christan Moyle - explaining away the inclusion of a Christian to Edward and Mary.
Stephen is the main unusual name left and although William Glasson, husband of Mary Richards, was the son of Stephen Glasson and Alice Perry, there is also the common use of the name Stephen in the Moyle family according to Joanne.
Leaving Martha - first daughter - name used twice - the key maybe?
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 16, 2011 4:22:45 GMT -5
Well, perhaps there might be more clues available than any of us has noticed!  As Lannanta says, there are a number of marriages throughout a period of years involving the name Mary Glasson with a number of possibilities for parents. I have just entered the main details of the marriage into my database and as I was doing so a thought came to me!  - I decided to use the OPC facility to get an idea of common Witnesses to marriages at Helston. To keep it reasonable I used a time period from about 1820 to about 1825 so that the Moyle/Glasson marriage was somewhere in the middle. The two Witnesses to this marriage were Bennet Gluyas and Thomas Cocking so they were the names I was looking for. And it was quickly ascertained that Thomas Cocking would probably be of little help to me given the amount of time his name appeared! But perhaps the clue lies about 25 years earlier? 4th April 1796 at Wendron Bennet GLUYAS married Jane BERRIMANUnfortunately this is only from Phillimore so I don't have any further information but perhaps it might be the clue that will help solve the puzzle.  CT |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2011 21:57:26 GMT -5
Hello CT Doesn't ring any bells for me  As I said earlier there were a number of marriages for Marys during that era. According to my records they were: 10/7/1814 at Kenwyn to William DENCH 17/4/1817 at Redruth to John TRESTRAIL 7/11/1818 at Gwennap to Thomas BENNETTS 28/10/1820 at St Erth to James THOMAS 3/7/1821 at Paul to James QUICK 19/8/1821 at Paul to Nicholas BOYENS 2/4/1822 at Madron to Henry GYLES 1/7/1823 at Helston to Edward MOYLE 13/9/1824 at Breage to Solomon ROWE 15/9/1825 at Manaccan to James POOL. Now I reckon that I know who each of these Marys are with the exception of the following: 28/10/1820 at St Erth to James THOMAS 19/8/1821 at Paul to Nicholas BOYENS 1/7/1823 at Helston to Edward MOYLE 13/9/1824 at Breage to Solomon ROWE I am guessing that the last one - to Solomon Rowe, was Mary Carter Glasson. So if anybody can shed some light on these four marriages then we may find out who Mrs Moyle was by the process of elimination. Lannanta |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 17, 2011 6:12:55 GMT -5
Lannanta - I still think that if you can identify the wife of Bennet Gluyas then it might help you identify the wife of Edward Moyle. Remember that a Bennet Gluyas was one of the witnesses to the Moyle marriage. CT |
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...some one suggested she may be the daughter of William Glasson & Mary Rodgers ...he has a Mary Glasson married to a QUICK...she is the mary i thouhght mine was, but agree ..........Help please!!!! MARY GLASSON &EDWARD MOYLE had a 99 year lease from a William CARLYON in 1831 at GWAVAS....that may help in some way? also their children MARY ANN 1823,MARTHA1826,WILLIAM1828,EDWARD1832,ELIZABETH1834,CHRISTIAN 1836 and STEPHEN 1838... 
- I decided to use the OPC facility to get an idea of common Witnesses to marriages at Helston. To keep it reasonable I used a time period from about 1820 to about 1825 so that the Moyle/Glasson marriage was somewhere in the middle.
