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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2010 15:22:09 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2010 15:23:45 GMT -5
I should have said 'Middlesex Juries'
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 16, 2010 15:34:53 GMT -5
Thanks Lamorna - I actually checked that one earlier tonight. This is the William Trewheela, carpenter and surveyor, who married Sarah Ruff at Stoke Newington in 1818. William was born at Ludgvan and died at Stoke Newington in 1864. He had only one daughter and I just located baptisms for most of her children tonight. Thanks for keeping a lookout and passing the information to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2010 15:37:06 GMT -5
Thats ok.
You must have been googling.
Social networking and now googling, what is this site coming to!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 16, 2010 16:07:11 GMT -5
Actually Londoner had sent me a note about him but then the entry came up again when I was looking for our other fella in Russia. But now I am stuck again! But I figure if I keep going around the circles I will eventually find a door out .... just like before! But I have found a couple of interesting books which is always good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2010 16:15:53 GMT -5
You never know whats around the corner especially if you keep going around in circles You've got a couple of books out of it. Hopefully you will find the door soon BUT then you will have just added more Trewheelers to your list to find
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 16, 2010 16:18:10 GMT -5
Perhaps merely coincidence ......................... But amongst the information supplied by Sue yesterday was the following burial record:- Jane Truewheeler buried 9th June 1803 St Mildred, Canterbury, Kent Parents - Richard and Martha Just trying something a little different - i.e. search 1538-1975 Christenings looking for JANE d/o RICHARD and MARTHA with no surname included - and I turned up this one:- Jane Wheelor bapbised 5th December 1802 St Mildred, Canterbury, Kent Parents - Richard and Martha Very likely simply a coincidence .... but enough similarities to keep a record of it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2010 16:32:48 GMT -5
I think you should keep that information somewhere safe.
Seems too similar for a mere coincidence.
I've checked a sub site but I can't add anything to your comments.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 16, 2010 17:01:53 GMT -5
All saved together with the other information relating to this family.
That's it for this little black duck .... time for sleep!
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Post by nzjohn1 on Oct 16, 2010 20:11:34 GMT -5
Hi All,
The data I found comes from a tantalising excerpt (website - google its title + trewheeler) of a book " A Baltic Odyssey: war and survival" by Martha v Rosen, Jurgen v. Rosen & Elvi Whittaker. 1995. Martha is the daughter of Ernst Kugelgen and Anna Petrovna Tscheremissinoff who is stated to be the grand-daughter of William Trewheeler, architect and creator of "buildings and fountains" in Peterhof. Like CT I believe there are mistakes in some of the details and this is our William Frederick and his first daughter, Nadia, is the mother of Anna Petrovna. But to prove this is another matter as all the details, at least on the web, make no mention of any relationship. There is a very senior official Tscheremissinof (no forename) in the Tsar's bureaucracy in the 1790's-1800's but I think he would be the grandfather of Anna.
I will contact the Univ of British Columbia which has many of the paintings made by Anna Petrovna and to check whether any details are held there.
At one stage our William Frederick owned a portion of Holguin Island in Peterhof and built his home on it. It was later bought back by the state and it became part of the Tsarina's gardens.
More later I hope.
Cheers
NZJohn1
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 17, 2010 3:20:51 GMT -5
NZJohn1 - I have only one 'concern' about Nadia being the mother of Anna Petrovna .... well not so much a 'concern' but something we need to take into account. From the information we have so far Nadia must have been born before 1834. It is said that she was William's daughter from a first marriage and that she was born in England and came to Russia with William sometime before 1834 when William married Anna Woolf. Ernst von Kulgelgen, according to IGI, was born in 1871 so if we work on the assumption that Anna Petrovna was similar in age then Nadia would have been at least 37 when she was born. I think should would actually have been closer to 40 in reality. It might be expected then that she was the younger (youngest?) of a number of children. If we can just find one more little clue it might help. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 17, 2010 4:22:38 GMT -5
NZJohn1 et al - just goes to show that if you keep on plugging away something interesting will turn up! I just found the following request on a Russian Genealogy Forum:- "Request to anyone who can make happy employees Kiev museum of Russian art information on family Truveller. The museum is kept watercolour portrait of the daughters of Vasily Ivanovich Truvellera and Maria Vladimirovna Truveller nee Kozlyaninovoy - Anna (15 years) and Sophia (11 years). On the reverse side of the portrait the inscription indicating that it was made by the artist Litovchenko AD (1835-1890) in 1856 in Manor Petrovo Borovichsky county Novgorod province. Some information about Vasily Ivanovich, Maria Vladimirovna Truveller (Kozlyaninovoy) to find success. There is information, and their son - Vladimir Truvellere. But of the daughters could not find anything. On the Internet, there are references to the literature on the history of the estate Petrova and its owners, but in Kiev it is difficult to find. I would be grateful for any information about Truvellerah. Natalia Ageeva." Reading this suggests to me that the mother of Martha von Kugelgen was the Anna mentioned about (born about 1841) in which case William Trewheeler was the grandfather of Martha and not Anna as suggested in the 'Baltic Odyssey'. CT
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Post by nzjohn1 on Oct 17, 2010 6:20:39 GMT -5
Hi all,
Breakthrough (perhaps).
I found that request too and have sent her a message to make contact.
Ive tried various forms of Truveller and Tscheremissinoff in their cyrillic spellings and one thing came up. It creates another problem.
(translated) "After the wedding, Vera Truveller (daughter Truvellera) and Cheremesova rented this house as apartments and various commercial establishments"
There is no doubt that this house at 42 St Petersburg Avenue was built by William Frederick in Peterhof -there are photos and several accounts of it on the web. It is close to the entrance of the gardens. He also built the original "Hotel Samson" opposite the garden gates. It opened on 7/11/1839.
So VERA is his daughter. Now present day Cheremesova is not quite the same as Cheremesinova (=German Tscheremissinof (masculine). Has a single vowel+consonant been lost and the spelling changed over time as it does not seem to me to be an inaccurate transliteration?
It is a pity the author of the article was giving details of the house and not the family so as to have a date for that marriage!
Other details
Lieutenant Robert Ivanovich Trewheler married Elena Petrovna Varentsova (Voroncova) in 1838. Elena died 20/10/1850 (almost 160 years ago to the day)
and this (translated without changes into readable english).
In one of his trips Midshipman Truveller met with Herzen and asked him to write in The Bell of the litigation, his father was a railroad office, which lasted for several years. Upon returning to his homeland Truveller was arrested, charged with revolutionary propaganda, as was discovered during the search literature, printed Herzen, and was exiled to a distant province of Kurgan. During the preparation of the essay turned out that his father, Vladimir Truvellera was an Englishman, who only in 1855 adopted Russian citizenship 3. As he was in Russia, Borovichi County Then the question I could not find an answer. After several years, while other archival search, I suddenly met again with the famous surname Truveller. At this time I studied the types of residence permits issued to foreigners coming to Russia, mostly to work. One of the species was given the mechanics Truvelleru John, who came to work with his father on the stationery factories in Borovichi County. Father, Sno Truveller, was back in 1814 was already in Russia. Here's something to it in its time has arrived, and William Truveller, who later became a Russian citizen Vasily Ivanovich. This name was entered in the Book of the noble families of our province, as its owner in Russia rose to the rank of Lieutenant-General Corps of Engineers. His descendants now live in Moscow and Izhevsk, his great-grandson, Alexei Borisovich, the grandson of a disgraced midshipman, I was lucky enough to find more survivors.
It's after midnight again!
Cheers
NZJohn1
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Post by londoner on Oct 17, 2010 9:51:20 GMT -5
This saga is fascinating I am really enjoying seeing it unfold
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Post by nzjohn1 on Oct 18, 2010 3:09:22 GMT -5
Hi CT,
I see you are online, any news?
Cheers
NZjohn1
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