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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 26, 2009 7:50:59 GMT -5
Thanks to JudyLynn I now know the maiden name (or at least the name she used when she married) of the second wife of Matthew TREWELLA - Amelia REICHARD. Based on that information I tried some more 'surfing' and I am happy to say that I now also know the name of the last wife of Joseph TREWELLA - Margaret SHARP! ;D Managed to find my way to the Schuylkill, PA site that gave me access to the Marriage Licence Archives. Unfortunately these are setup by 'Book Number' within the year range 1885-1910! That means that I know the names of the brides and, other than that, that they were married sometime during the period 1885 to 1910. I can, of course, narrow it down a little by using the 1900 Census but ..... So hopefully the additional information will find its way to me. And what I also need is some information on the JOHNS connection of Ludgvan so that I can do a little checking back in Cornwall. CT
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Post by davidkingmartin on Mar 26, 2009 12:01:46 GMT -5
(Just to lead everyone astray....): There appears to be a John Trewhella, 1848, Ludgvan, son of Martin T., who turns up in the US Census 1880, in Lycoming, Penna., with wife Ellen Carbis and three children, but later moves on to Carson, Nevada. The name sometimes appears as "Trewpella" (for the children) and the names "Groverllo" and "Blight" appear if they mean anything to anyone. Details largely "unsourced" other than UK and US Census data. David.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 27, 2009 4:54:29 GMT -5
Not 'leading astray' by any means David. But wherever the data came from there is an error because that particular John was actually from Redruth where he was born in 1849 s/o William TREWELLA and Mary (nee MOORE) who married at Redruth 19th January 1843. There were a number of children from that marriage who went to the US and are par of the research I am working on at the moment. I don't know if the name 'Blight' was associated with this John so would like clarification on that point if you could please. But Blight was certainly associated with another John TREWHELLA. John TREWHELLA born 12th October 1847 at Ludgvan was the son of Martin TREWHELLA and Sarah (nee BLIGHT). John was another who went to the US and settled in New York where he married Johanna Blight JENKIN daughter of his mother's sister Johanna. The name "GROVERLLO" I suspect to be yet another 'variation' of the name TREWHELLA as transcribed from the Census. I will have to look into that and see if it turns up in the Census as it might give me some more clues and information. So rather than 'leading me astray' you have very likely actually helped the situation! CT
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Post by Mal on Mar 27, 2009 6:06:24 GMT -5
Groverllo.... That's bad, even by a census taker's standard!!!!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 27, 2009 9:06:15 GMT -5
Correct Malcolm but having just looked at the original image I can understand the difficulty although it is obviously transcribed someone with little knowledge of Cornish surnames. But if you have read some of my recent posts you will note variations such as TUOMELA amongst others. Off to see if I can find some more!
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Post by Mal on Mar 27, 2009 9:17:54 GMT -5
I thought TUOMELA was a New Zealand rugby player!!!!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 27, 2009 9:32:19 GMT -5
Be getting a little long in the tooth to be still playing if it were the same bloke I reckon!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 27, 2009 11:59:44 GMT -5
An interesting dilemma! It would now appear that Joseph Trewhella must have been married three times. It is certainly known that he married Elizabeth CURNOW in Connecticut in 1867 and it is also now known that he married Margaret SHARP. In the 1900 Census for Marshfield, Coos, Oregon Joseph is age 54 and states he was born January 1846 in England. His wife Margaret states she was born in Pennsylvania in March 1858. Beside each name is '4D' under the column heading 'Number of years married.' Also in the household are two children:- Josie born December 1890 Pennsylvania Mathew born October 1892 Pennsylvania It is possible, although unlikely, that the mother of these children was Elizabeth CURNOW. If Joseph and Margaret had been married only 4 days at the time of the Census then Margaret cannot be the mother. Unless, of course, they actually were her children! Margaret also stated that she was the mother of three children with two still living. But there is yet another interesting point to consider! A check of the 1880 Census for a Margaret Sharp born in Pennsylvania between 1856 and 1860 provides NIL result! The suggestion now is that Margaret had also been married before. But if that were the case, and Josie and Mathew belong to Joseph, then where were her own children in 1900? More thinking for me to do! But wait! Looking at the 1860 Census there are two Margaret Sharps born in Pennsylvania and both about 1859. In 1870 there are still two. In 1880 there is actually one - but she was born about 1861. Don't know where that leaves me.
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Post by judylynn on Mar 29, 2009 19:57:22 GMT -5
This family is making me mad because I can't find them -- and they're supposed to be nice, orderly Pennsylvanians This means my apartment has not been cleaned all weekend. But I think I found a winner: Coos County Trewella, Josie Mc Nelly, George Marriage 4/22/1909 Can't easily find them in the 1910/1920 census; it'll take some work. PS: That was David who mentioned having JOHNSes in Ludgvan -- mine are in Calstock circa 1800+ ... don't know about earlier.
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Post by judylynn on Mar 29, 2009 20:58:51 GMT -5
PS: Don't be surprised if the Joseph married to Margaret (SHARP) actually turns out to be the son of Matthew & Eliza Jane! Given the list of others being married in Schuylkill County at that time, it's a 50-50 chance. But turn that frown upside-down There are a number of Margaret SHARPs born circa 1867 in Pennsylvania ... one of which is from Shamokin, and I can track down her and her family, CT! I'll have those marriages for y'all after Easter weekend -- try to be patient and we'll see what they reveal. At that time, licenses did not give parents' names, but will provide birthdates and places of birth & residence, and should indicate if there was a prior marriage (unless the bride/groom didn't give that little piece of info). Nitey-nite, ~JL
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 30, 2009 2:12:35 GMT -5
No - I don't think so. Unless there were two Joseph Trewellas who each married, at some time, someone named Margaret then the husband of Margaret SHARP cannot possibly be the son of Matthew and Eliza Jane. In the 1900 Census Joseph states he was born January 1846. Joseph son of Matthew and Eliza Jane was born in Cornwall in 1866 - twenty years later! And the Margaret we are looking for was born June 1858 according to that same Census. (Not 1867) I actually have quite a bit of detail on the family of Matthew and Eliza Jane. Robert TREWELLA, a direct descendant, lives in Ohio and I met him when I was there back in '94. He gave me copies of BDM Certificates and a lot of other information on the family. I must say though that this information is mostly on the families of Matthew Henry and William John who were the eldest sons of Matthew and Eliza Jane. There is some information on the other children but not as detailed. Will do some more work on this family tonight so that I am more prepared when the additional information you are getting arrives. CT
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Post by davidkingmartin on Mar 30, 2009 9:06:03 GMT -5
"John" family, Ludgvan. (I have probably "posted" this on another thread already).
Mary Johns 30 July 1766, Ludgvan, father Thomas 1730, Lelant, mother Mary Martins 11 Feb.1727 Ludgvan. Mary 1766 m.Christopher Martin (1764-1862). Son: Christopher 1791. David.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 30, 2009 9:21:57 GMT -5
You may well have done David and it seems to have been lost in time. But Christopher Martin (1764-1862) has me a little confused now! Wasn't it he that was buried at Ludgvan 3rd May 1824??? (I have yourself noted as the source for that one.) My main connection to the JOHN(s) family is Alice who married John TREWHEELA at Ludgvan in 1782. From what I understand she was the daughter of Digory JOHNS and Grace WOOLCOMBE who married at Grade in 1735. I probably need to throughly check all of this given that Alice was supposedly age 56 when buried at Ludgvan 12th October 1805. If accurate then her birth would have been about 1749. However, I am not sure of the origins of Digory JOHNS so that is another one I need to check on. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 30, 2009 10:02:00 GMT -5
And me too JL! - and I can tell you it doesn't get any better when you follow the family into Ohio! Frank TREWELLA s/o Matthew and Eliza Jane (nee SPARNON) is a classic case. I have him with his family in the 1880 Census in PA age 4. I have a copy of his WW1 Draft Registration Card on which he states his birth as 15th August 1874 Pennsylvania. There's a good start - age 4 in 1880 yet later states he was born in 1874. 1890 is, as we know, very much useless as far as the Census is concerned. No matter how I try I cannot find Frank in the 1900 Census - cannot even find a surname that looks remotely similar and that might have been a misread of Trewella. IGI records that Frank TREWELLA married Nellie HENDERSON 2nd July 1906 Franklin, OH 1910 Census - Frank is living in Cleveland, OH with wife CLARA and states they have been married for 3 years! Now CLARA 'could' be Nellie HENDERSON - it is possible she was born Clara Ellen Henderson. Frank died at Cleveland 23rd September 1920 and was buried at Calvary Cemetery on the 25th. I cannot find him in any way shape or form in the 1920 Census. All that confusing Well there is more!! Cuyahoga Co. Ohio Marriages Probate Court of Cuhahoga County, Ohio Historical Marriage Licence Index 1810 - April 1998 Frank TREWELLA and Rosetta J BAZLEY Vol 0084 Page 0162 Page Match 77 Harry J WHITE and Rosetta J TREWELLA Vol 0122 Page 0306 Page Match 55 I cannot find Rosetta TREWELLA in the 1920 or 1930 Census. I CAN find 'a' Rosetta J WHITE in 1930 - but she is married to Clinton H WHITE. I cannot find a Rosetta J BAZLEY in 1880, 1900 or 1910 Census. Want to join me in the psycho ward yet??
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Post by davidkingmartin on Mar 30, 2009 11:42:16 GMT -5
CT: Yes. Christopher Martin, died 1824, g-g-gson of Lambert Martin. Have I "allocated" the wrong wife to him?! That is my only John "connection". ......which leads me on to the Urens. "My" Uren is the wife of Richard Martin 1734-Dec.28 1800, marr. Grace Uren (1739-1816), 2 April 1761. Richard is a gggggfather of mine and father of James M. 1774 (who marr. Charity Carbus (var.). Grace: her father may be Arthur 1715 Uly Lelant (unsourced), who marr. a Grace, and his father may be James, who marr. Elizabeth Bryan, I think. Anyone out there with more "info."?
David
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