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Post by Zenobia on Mar 29, 2007 18:33:19 GMT -5
U.S. Census 1880, Cumru Twp., Berks Co., PA, E.D. 11, Sh. 23B:
Joseph Trewhella, age 33, miner, B. ENG, both par. b. ENG
This Joseph is living in a boarding house, with quite a few other miners. He is listed as 'married' but his wife is not present with him...
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 30, 2007 15:01:33 GMT -5
It is possible this might be the Joseph Trewhella who apparently married Elizabeth Curnow in 1867 at Meriden, CT. If so, then he would very likely be son of Matthew Trewhella and Juliana (nee Lanyon).
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 2, 2007 10:49:55 GMT -5
This story becomes a little more interesting. When I was in the US in 1994 Iwent through every Census I could find. But I did not find Joseph in 1880 or any other Census so the information above is very useful. There is a fair chance he was the son of Matthew and Juliana Trewhella and his age in 1880 puts his birth around 1846/7 which does 'fit neatly' into the family.
Now, his age in 1880 is also consistent with that of Elizabeth Curnow who married 'a' Joseph Trewhella at Meriden, CT in 1867. According to my source she was aged 20 at that time so was born about 1847.
What is needed is a search of the 1870 Census to try and locate Joseph and Elizabeth. And next should be a search of the 1880 Census to find a 'married' Elizabeth Trewhella somewhere. After that it becomes 1890 (or the bits of it) and so on to see if we can track them down and also to find out if they had any children.
Cornish Terrier
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 2, 2007 13:00:28 GMT -5
Well - I have just spent some time working through the 1880 US Census via Ancestry.com. (Unfortunately I am no subscribed so could not look at copies of original items.) However I may have found the previously elusive Elizabeth.
Randolph, Morris, New Jersey Elizabeth TREWELLA Head of House Age 32 Born SCO!! (Scotland?) Father born Eng. Mother born Eng. Occ - Keeping House MARRIED
(By the way - Joseph was also recorded as TREWELLA in the transcribed version.)
Another interesting point - also in Randolph, Morris, New Jersey was a widowed Mary TREWELLA, 52, who had with her son-in-law Richard RICHARDS, 22, daughter Mary RICHARDS, 18, and 'daughter' Bessie RICHARDS, 12.
The two are not 'neighbours'!
It would appear their is no connection between them except that they were in the same town at the same time.
A few other things have turned up at of that Census so I have some more work to do.
Cornish Terrier
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Post by Zenobia on Apr 2, 2007 23:44:24 GMT -5
Wow - you're good! I had also come to the same conclusion regarding Joseph, and had looked for Elizabeth in 1880 and could not find her... I will try 1870 again.... I vaguely remembered seeing some Trewhellas in either New York or New Jersey that did not seem to connect with the New England ones....
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 3, 2007 11:12:14 GMT -5
Yep - there are a couple that turn up that I have not connected. (At least not yet!) Without looking my transcripts I think there are a couple that turn up briefly in NY and/or NJ but move on to other States. There was also a TREWHELA family in NY that I don't think I have been able to connect in anywhere just yet. Two sons of Martin TREWHELLA and Sarah (nee BLIGHT) were in New York. William (1844-b.1920) appears to have married twice. I have not found his first marriage and don't know his wife's name but his two known children were, according to Census Records, born CT. His second wife was named Mary and, according to the 1900 Census, they were married in CT and she was born there but I know nothing more of her. William's first known child was William B b. c.1887 CT and in the 1920 Census was a 'Machinist in motor factory'. (Nothing more known) The second child was Anna b. c.1890 CT and married Louis Keidel about 1913 CT - three known children (William c.1914 CT, Robert c.1915 CT and Theodore c.1917 CT)
Have recently had some contact regarding the Keidel family but have not yet updated information.
The other son of Martin and Sarah was John Trewhella who married Johanna Jenkins about 1868 (I believe in the US). John was a blacksmith for the Gas Company and it appears the family pretty much stayed in New York. The exceptions are son James Richard who moved to New Jersey and John Henry (I think grandson) ended up in, I think, Tennessee. I have found further information on some of these but, again, have not had the chance to update things.
The other interesting member of Martin and Sarah's family - daughter Sarah Ann married Andrew Nicholls at Ludgvan in 1862 and their family moved to Australia. Andrew died in Victoria in 1873 leaving five children but Sarah Ann lived to the ripe old age of 99 and died at Hawthorn, Melbourne, Victoria in 1940.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 12, 2007 7:56:35 GMT -5
Some further interesting information has surfaced that may involve JOSEPH and ELIZABETH mentioned in previous notes.
The 1920 Census Index (limited details for me) shows the following:-
COOS, OREGON
Joseph TREWELLA bn. abt 1848 Mathew TREWELLA bn. abt 1894
Joseph's age is consistent with him being the fellow mentioned previously and, as these seem to be the only two TREWELLA people mentioned in Oregan, it is possible they were father and son. However, it would mean that Joseph was about 46 when Mathew was born. It also means, if they are indeed the same family, that Elizabeth would have been about 46/7 at the time of Mathew's birth. Not an impossibility but ....
A couple of points to be made:- Could the 'transcriber' have misinterpreted Mathew's age in 1920, or possibly provided us with a 'typo'? Secondly, his name being Mathew would be at least a little consistent with Joseph having been son of Matthew and Juliana.
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Post by Zenobia on Apr 12, 2007 18:09:44 GMT -5
I checked the original census for you.
Joseph is age 72, a widower, b. in England, no occupation. Matthew is his son, age 24, born in Penna., father b. Eng. , m. b. Penna. occupation: chaffeur
They are living in North Marshfield Precinct.
1910, living in the same place:
Joseph Trewella, age 63, widower, laborer, cold storage, b. Eng, both par. b. Eng Mathew Trewella, son, age 18, driver, express wagon, b. Penna., f. b. Canada, English, m. b. Penna.
1900, living in the same place:
Joseph Trewalla, age 59, coal miner, b. Jan 1846, Eng, both par b. Eng, imm. 1864 Margaret Trewalla, wife, age 41, b. Jun 1859, Pa., both par b. Pa. 3 ch. born, 2 living Josie Trewalla, dau, age 9, b. Dec 1890, Pa. Mathew Trewalla, son, age 7, b. Oct 1892, Pa.
The only odd thing about the last is it says the couple was married for 40 years! (I think it should have been 10, and someone changed it - most of the census sheets available are second clerk's copies, not the originals).
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Post by Zenobia on Apr 12, 2007 18:59:11 GMT -5
Matthew's WWI Draft registration card gives his birth as 7 Oct 1893 at Shenandoah, PA. (That is in Schuylkill Co).
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 13, 2007 11:27:17 GMT -5
More and more interesting! It is possible we are dealing with two different Joseph's here but there are quite a few things that 'keep me thinking' (and yes - 'it does hurt'!) The one consistent item seems to be that Joseph was born about 1847/8 and that works with him being son of Matthew and Juliana. The age of son Matthew is 'all over the place' as shown in your Census search. In 1930 Matthew TREWALLA was at Marshfield, Coos, Oregon, age 40, born Pennsylvania. He was a lodger at a premises occupied by:- Mar H KRUGER Samuel E WHERRY Maurice R SMITH (I do not have this image so cannot verify details.) Inconsistencies - In 1910 Joseph states that he was born Eng. as were both parents. Yet his son Matthew states that he was born in PA, his father Joseph was born in CANADA! and his mother was born in PA. 1900 produces another 'oddity' - Joseph's age is listed as 59 which indicates a birth of about 1840/1 but then it is noted that he was born in Eng. Jan 1846! The next interesting point is that, in 1900, Joseph states his year of Immigration as 1864. Well, guess what - EUREKA!!!! ;D I do believe you and I have solved another problem! We are now obviously dealing with two different Joseph's. The man who married Elizabeth Curnow had family in the New England area and I am still pretty much convinced he was the son of Matthew and Julia (Lanyon). And I know that this family migrated to the US about the mid-1840's. So the clue was 'date of Immigration - 1864' for the man we are discussing. Noting his birthdate as Jan 1846 in the 1900 Census I decided to take a look at the St Catherine's House Birth Index and guess what??? 1847 Jan-Mar TREWEELAH, Joseph REDRUTH ix 274 Parents confirmed as MATTHEW TREWHELLA and SALLY (WILLIAMS) And this is where the PA connection really comes in! Matthew Trewhella (var. depending on records) was buried at Illogan May 31st 1863, age 57, of Tuckingmill. I have never been able to find any further reference to Sally in the UK Records. However, I do know that their eldest son, John (bp. 1835 Camborne) married Jemima RULE in 1859 and they had two known children. Emma Jane (bn. 1860 CON married twice and apparently died at Labelle, Quebec, Canada in 1905. John (bn. 1863 CON) died at Osceola Miine, Houghton Co. MI in 1886. It is my thought that, after her husband died, Sally emigrated to the USA either with, or to join, some of her children. Joseph would have been about 16 or 17 at this time. Another brother was Matthew TREWELLA who was first married to Eliza Jane SPARNON (January 6th, 1861 Tuckingmill, CON). Most of this family is, or was, in either PA or OH and, according to the 1900 Census of the US we have the following:- Matthew Trewella living with his second wife, Amelia, at Union Twp., Schuylkill Co., PA as a Hotel Keeper. Matthew stated in the 1900 Census that he had emigrated to the USA in about 1865! ;D Now to find details of the marriage (or marriages) for Joseph! And also time to invite another guest to the site. Becky Koelling is very interested in this family and it is about time I got back in touch with her.
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Post by Zenobia on Apr 13, 2007 12:41:18 GMT -5
1900 produces another 'oddity' - Joseph's age is listed as 59 which indicates a birth of about 1840/1 but then it is noted that he was born in Eng. Jan 1846! My mistake there - it says his age was 54 - I was in a hurry and read it wrong... More interesting to note - the indexer put the name as "Newalla"
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 13, 2007 12:50:13 GMT -5
Yes - that was another 'variation' I was thinking if mentioning in the 'Beware' section. I have also found instances of NEWHELLA and a few others I have probably not mentioned as yet. Some variations invariably turn out to be 'non-events' for us but they still need to be investigated. However, TO SUCCESS! ;D Another new member and another problem SOLVED! I'll just take a sip of my beer to celebrate. Let me know how you get on with my other 1930 requests - they are most interesting. BUT - I have to say - "I AM NO LONGER LONELY" - this is the first time that I have been online to this site with someone else actually logged in! I got to feeling I was all on my lonesome! Guess we will be in touch soon? Ian
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Post by beckykoelling on Apr 13, 2007 12:52:37 GMT -5
I am the gg-granddaughter of John TREWHELLA & Jemima Burnet RULE. John was the oldest son of Mathew TREWHELLA & Sally WILLIAMS. John had two younger brothers. Matthew was born about 1842, married Eliza Jane SPARNON and came to the US in the 1860's. Joseph was born in 1847, and I am unsure what happened to him. John first came to the US prior to the 1870 US census. In the 1870 US census, he is found living with Mathew & Eliza in Orange Co., Vermont. He then went back to Cornwall and brought his family to the US in August of 1873. I have tracked a Joseph TREWHELLA of the right age who married a Minnie WILLIAMS. It was registered in the first quarter of 1871 in the BMD. The next time I find Joseph and Minnie is in the 1891 England census living in Illogan. From their children's birth records it is clear that they went for a time to New Zealand. Their oldest child was 17 in that census, and the youngest is 10. All the children were born in New Zealand. I had a hard time finding any records for New Zealand, but Joseph's name does pop on some land records there. I believe that this may be my John's brother. I could not find the deaths of Mathew TREWHELLA or Sally WILLIAMS, but I think you've given me Mathew's now. Sally may have gone with Joseph and Minnie to New Zealand and possibly died there. John's younger sister, Eliza Jane may have married a John HICKS in Illogan. I believe she died there in 1897.
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Post by Zenobia on Apr 13, 2007 14:28:28 GMT -5
Becky, thank for your contribution! Looks like we may have to rethink the Oregon Joseph Trewhella now. I was getting ready to believe that he was indeed the son of Matthew and Sally (as Ian suggested), but was going to argue that he was married twice. Now we get to work on this some more.
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Post by Zenobia on Apr 13, 2007 15:25:20 GMT -5
Ian, I think Becky is right. The Joseph Trewhella with the wife Minnie and N. Zed b. children is living in Camborne in 1881, and gives his birthplace as Illogan.
Matthew and Sarah Trewhella are living in Illogan in 1851 and son Joseph is listed as being born there.
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