Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 20, 2016 9:56:21 GMT -5
It doesn't make sense that Matthew and Margaret would have gotten married in CA when they were both living in CT and her family didn't go west.
As alluded to in my reply to your other post I believe the Grass Valley connection is a complete fabrication on the part of someone!
If you go to FamilySearch and check the collection titled '1630-1997' you will find four references for this marriage albeit with three different dates. In each case the marriages is recorded as having taken place in Connecticut with the dates being 30th August 1856, 4th October 1856 and 8th October 1856.
I believe the marriage actually took place on August 30th 1856 with the October dates referring to the dates of publication of the newspapers which reported the event.
Middletown Constitution, Issue: 8 Oct 1856, pg460 Columbian Register, Issue: 4 Oct 1856, pg1111
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 21, 2016 3:53:03 GMT -5
Of a little more interest Margaret Jane married Benjamin Williams, also of Ludgvan, Cornwall and also a miner
Benjamin Williams was apparently born at Lanner (otherwise Lannarth) near Redruth on February 12th 1856. He can be found with his parents in the 1861 Census.
Benjamin's parents were Richard Williams and Mary Ann Stephens, both of Lanner, who married at Gwennap 6th November 1841. Richard was born at Gwennap about 1819 the son of Peter Williams (a miner) who was deceased at the time of Richard's marriage. Mary Ann Stephens was born at Gwennap about 1822 and her father was Alexander Stephens (also a miner) who was also deceased at the time of her marriage.
Post by thatsmejennig on Nov 21, 2016 9:41:20 GMT -5
Thank you Zibetha and Cornish Terrier!!!!
To answer your question of my connection, Benjamin Williams and Margaret Jane Trewhella are my great x3 grandparents (making your great x3 grandfather the brother of my x4 great grandfather- yay! we're cousins); their son, Herbert Benjamin, was my great grandfather, Mason Williams's, father; his daughter, June Elaine is my grandmother.
I've come to some of the same conclusions regarding dates being that of publication versus the actual event and have also begun to question the validity of the supposed time spent in CA. Census entries reflect both California and Connecticut as the place of Maggie Williams's (Margaret Jane Trewhella) birth, so that adds to the mystery. This is the link to her page on FamilySearch, with the sources I've been able to collect familysearch.org/tree/person/LVS8-FX6/details?spouse=LCXG-VX7
I've found many of the original birth and death records and have them linked on my FamilySearch.org tree. I'm sure you've already found all that I have as I'm just beginning my hunt.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 21, 2016 12:16:13 GMT -5
Well g'day cuzzin!
I've spent time today checking through other images on the link you provided for Matthew Trewhella's birth. I have already found several other births and deaths for the family as well as at least one marriage but I had not made it as far as the image with the Benjamin Williams marriage.
I find that reference to Grass Township as a birthplace most interesting so will try and follow up on it tomorrow night when I get home. I will also need to dig out all that other material I referred to that has not yet been added to my database.
A helpful hint - when searching the Connecticut images also look for the name THREWHELLA which is how quite a few of them are recorded.
Post by thatsmejennig on Nov 21, 2016 13:14:45 GMT -5
I've just been pulling up the County records for Bethel, Cheshire, etc. and have been poking around at the times near when I believe people were born/married/died and have found most of the vital records that way.
Threwhella is a variation I hadn't tried yet, fantastic!
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 22, 2016 13:52:39 GMT -5
I have now obtained the Cheshire records for 1845-1905 and have found most of the Trewhella entries. There are some of particular interest including what I believe to be a first marriage for Susan who was the elder sister to your Margaret. Her record also states she was born in California which means I need to go back over some other old information and sources. But I also found another Susan Trewhella that I can't place so far. She was apparently born in Cheshire about 1846/7 which would indicate she probably should be a late child of Matthew and Juliana Trewhella but I don't have any prior record of her.
It will take me quite some time to work through all of this but I will try and keep you posted as I go.
Post by thatsmejennig on Nov 22, 2016 15:52:34 GMT -5
I did the same thing and found a lot of the same entries that you're talking about and the new Susan had several entry for births. I've attached all of the new sources to each of the Trewhellas on my FamilySearch tree. And found both of the entries for Susan F's marriages (one in Cheshire and one in Bethany).
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 22, 2016 21:47:43 GMT -5
I have not yet been able to find the births for the 'extra' Susan. Would you be able to send me the links for those please so that I can check them and have a look at the rest of the film? There are some other people of interest in these areas that I would also like to track down.
I will be working more on this family later tonight.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 23, 2016 6:36:45 GMT -5
the new Susan had several entry for births.
I am presuming that by 'the new Susan' you mean the Susan who married William Scollar at Cheshire in 1866? At that time she was age 19 and as the marriage occurred 1st January it means she was probably born in 1846. So far I have not been able to find the birth entries you refer to so if they are for this girl then please send me the link so that I can see the record for myself. I am struggling to work out who she belongs to.
I have found her with her husband William Scollar in the 1870 Census but there is nothing more in that record to help identify Susan. I cannot find her in 1880 or 1900 so she may have died or been widowed and remarried.
I also have not found Susan in the 1850 or 1860 Census which I find a little strange given she was apparently born in Connecticut. By her age I would have expected her to most likely be a daughter of Matthew Trewhella and Julia Lanyon but she is certainly not with them in either Census.
Post by thatsmejennig on Nov 23, 2016 9:37:55 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I meant entries for her having children with Wm Scollar- not the record of her birth. I found their marriage and a few children. At first I thought she was the same as Susan F, so I linked the sources to Susan F, but once I figured out she was the wrong Susan, I deleted the sources. If you look on the sidebar, you'll see the recent changes and there's a link to see all of the changes and it should have the few sources that I linked and then deleted there.
My assumptions yesterday when I was working on filling in the blanks were that she was either a cousin or niece of Matthew Jr. I found several children belonging to Matthew Jr's siblings and linked those to their FamilySearch pages.
Had I found what I thought was the birth entry for Susan herself, I would've been doing flips and cartwheels. Alas, there is more and more Grass Valley circumstantial evidence, but not a single actual document for Susan F or Margaret Jane.
It just makes no sense that Margaret D Hotchkiss and Matthew Trewhella would've married outside of CT, the moving to CA makes sense because of the gold rush and then moving back to Cheshire to work in the mines before becoming butchers when the mines "petered out". I linked the payment record from Stamford for the "Trewhella brothers" to Matthew's page and found this history of the mines www.stamfordhistory.org/rg7.htm
I have been reviewing some information sent to me by a great-granddaughter of Victoria Truran Trewhella's brother. Susan F Trewhella was first married to Harry Keam, and in 1880 when she and her sister, Maggie, were living together, Harry K and Benjamin Williams were mining in Gilpin, Colorado. I just tripped across a Colorado record index that indicates Susan was granted a divorce from Harry in September 8, 1879.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 23, 2016 13:08:19 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I meant entries for her having children with Wm Scollar- not the record of her birth.
Ah, I see. That helps explain why I have not been able to find her. I'm not very familiar with FamilySearch trees so perhaps if you could just list the details of the children you have found I will try and follow up from there. The only child I know of is Ernest who appeared in the 1870 Census but the names of any other children might be useful in helping identify Susan.
As I indicated earlier my first thoughts for Susan were that she might be a younger sister to Matthew jr. The last child born in Cornwall to Matthew Trewhella and Julia Lanyon was daughter Ann in January 1844. Matthew arrived in New York on 30th April 1844 and is indexed in Ancestry as SUNHELLA. Julia and the children followed the next year arriving in New York 26th June 1845 - they were indexed as TINHELLA!
If Susan Trewhella was born in 1846/7 it is logical she might have been a child of Matthew and Julia especially as I think they were the only Trewhella family in Connecticut at the time. What I still don't understand is why I cannot find Susan in the Census prior to her marriage.
Zib - do you have source details for that Colorado Divorce? If so then could you either post the information here or send it to me by other means please?
Over the next couple of days I will try and update my database with the Cheshire records and other information I found today. Among the records for today were further marriages and births in Southington, Seymour and Meriden and once the database is updated I will have an idea of where else I need to look.
Still no luck with the actual place of marriage for Matthew and Margaret but it was certainly in Connecticut.
Also - the record of marriage for Susan F Trewhella and Harry Keam also shows that Susan was born in California so your initial comments about she and Margaret being born in Grass Valley have more support evidence.
Colorado, Divorce Index, 1851-1985 on Ancestry.com. It is just an index, so I can't view the record. However, both "Harrie" and Benjamin are next found as miners boarding in Gilpin on the 1880 Census, and Harry's marital status is stated as single. I believe this is the same man: www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=24994175&ref=acom
The marriage between Susan and Thomas Hurlbut was a second for both; he was a widower whose first marriage was to Hattie Weaver who died in 1879.