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Post by thatsmejennig on Nov 29, 2016 11:50:57 GMT -5
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Post by thatsmejennig on Nov 29, 2016 11:56:05 GMT -5
familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYYY-2ND?mode=g&i=38&cc=1417683I also find this census entry super interesting. In looking at all of the birth records, I found that Sarah J Vivian, the wife next door to Matthew and Victoria is related (I'm guessing sister, without digging too deeply) to Victoria- both maiden names are Truran. Also close by are the Pooley and Keam families, also related by marriage.
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Post by sue on Nov 29, 2016 11:58:38 GMT -5
Julia (Lanyon) Trewhella's whereabouts 1870: it is possible, as a widow, she may have moved around between her various children – and daughter Ann, with husband Matthew Curnow, baptized son William 1864 & daughter Annie 1870 in Newfoundland (for which I understand few census records exist.) So, Julia may have been out of the U.S in 1870. (I have the 1864 occupation of Ann's husband Matthew Curnow as "superintendant of infusions", which makes a change from miner etc.!)
I guess it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that daughter Jane Trewhella's husband Wm Mitchell may have also gone out of the U.S. for a while, & perhaps he and or Jane died outside U.S....... (before or after 1865).
Oh yes, and Matthew Curnow & Ann Trewhella named their 1876 (Nevada California) child Eugenie Susan. I appreciate ties with family names were perhaps loosening by then, but still, Susan was never really a Curnow name......
Sue
Ah: I see an 1870 census entry has now been found for widow Julia (Lanyon) Trewhella with her son William's family.
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Post by thatsmejennig on Nov 29, 2016 12:29:03 GMT -5
So, did Jane die soon after the marriage or was she perhaps widowed and remarried? If Jane had died prior to 1865 then there would have been but five of Matthew's children still living in which case Susan would have to have been his daughter. The key is, it would appear, to find out what happened to Jane! CT I think she did die on marriage day from what I remember finding before I went on holiday, and of course now, I can't find what I'd previously located, but I'm looking
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 29, 2016 14:03:05 GMT -5
That is actually 1870 but I had missed Julia when I was looking for her. Guess I just didn't read the entries correctly but she is there sure enough with her son William and his family.
Still can't find Matthew and Julia or Matthew and Maggie in 1860 though.
Yes, Sarah was Victoria Truran's sister and Mary Pooley was the daughter of Matthew and Julia Trewhella. She married James Pooley at Cheshire in 1860.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 29, 2016 14:20:17 GMT -5
Sue - nice to have your input. Yes, I had considered that possibility but aside from a quick check of the UK Census it is a daunting task to work out where they may have been. But if there is a hint that Jane died on her wedding day then hopefully the record can be found. That would certainly solve a few of the problems. In any case, the fact that William and Jane seem to disappear does support the possibility that Jane was perhaps not one of the six children mentioned in the documents pertaining to their father Matthew Trewhella's Will. The door is still well and truly ajar for our mystery Susan to be that sixth child and it is interesting to note that one of her children was given the name Julia Beatrice. I know nothing of William Mitchell's family but Julia is certainly a tempting clue. Of greatest concern with Susan is that she cannot be found in any Census prior to her marriage and the Cheshire birth records seem to be missing the year she was probably born - i.e. 1846! From her recorded age at death it seems that she should have been born in December 1846 but I cannot find any records at all for 1845 or 1846. CT
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Post by thatsmejennig on Nov 29, 2016 14:53:12 GMT -5
That is actually 1870 but I had missed Julia when I was looking for her. Guess I just didn't read the entries correctly but she is there sure enough with her son William and his family. Still can't find Matthew and Julia or Matthew and Maggie in 1860 though.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 29, 2016 22:47:28 GMT -5
That's okay .... I have done the same thing on more than one occasion. Our focus now needs to be on trying to find some record of Jane but I am certainly considering adding the mystery Susan, at least tentatively, as another child of Matthew and Julia. CT
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Post by thatsmejennig on Nov 30, 2016 9:17:51 GMT -5
It's making me nuts not being able to remember where I saw that her wedding day and the day she died were one and the same. I remember thinking how sad it was. then again, all of the names start to run together after a while, it very well could have been someone else, but I really think it was her. I'll keep looking.
That "other" Susan is bugging me too. She's nowhere until she marries Scollar and all of the records show that she was born in Cheshire. I've literally looked at every page of the Cheshire birth, marriage, and death record and the only thing I found was the marriage and births of their children. I'll comb through it again and see what I can find.
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Post by thatsmejennig on Nov 30, 2016 9:31:48 GMT -5
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Post by thatsmejennig on Nov 30, 2016 9:52:10 GMT -5
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 30, 2016 15:02:37 GMT -5
It is interesting to find William Ernest out in Montana although there is nothing in those records to help identify either of his parents. I suspect William was from Cornwall where the name was generally spelt as SCHOLLAR and I thought I had him identified a few days ago. Unfortunately I can find just one William Schollar born around 1845 and I found another marriage proving that he was not our man. It still bugs me that Susan cannot be found in 1850 but I wonder if she might have been with other relatives when the Census was taken. I have looked at a couple with no luck but there may be other aunts on the Lanyon side that I don't yet have marriages for. Sooner or later we will find something to help! CT
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Post by thatsmejennig on Nov 30, 2016 16:28:23 GMT -5
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 1, 2016 1:45:02 GMT -5
No, I actually haven't done any checking on her at all. However, James Lanyon's wife was Lucretia A BROOKS so at age 67 in 1860 she may have been Lucretia's mother or perhaps an aunt. She was with the Lanyons in 1860 and 1870 along with Jane Trewhella.
BTW - You asked about the move of the Schollar family from Southington back to Cheshire and I forgot to answer. I can't say for sure but it may have been because that's were Susan's family was. It may be that she was already ailing when they returned but the fact they did come back to Cheshire suggests a likely link to Matthew and Julia. We don't know anything much about William Scollar except that he was born in England and living in Cheshire prior to marriage. I don't know of any others of that family around Cheshire during that period which makes the Trewhella family the probable link.
CT
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Post by thatsmejennig on Dec 1, 2016 9:05:27 GMT -5
I found a bunch of Matthew's brother William's children living in Southington- so I'm guessing she was just going where the family was. All of the census records definitely suggest that our clan preferred to stick together. As far as the ailing theory, I'm not so sure about that- she had two more children in Cheshire after they moved back. I don't recall finding her death record, but I may just be overlooking it. Do you have the date she passed?
Still haven't put my finger back on Jane's death record either. I hate that when I first started this I was way more ooooohh and aaaaahh and had no idea how to catalog stuff and finding stuff on purpose that I stumbled across before is a pain in the rear!
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