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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 24, 2016 0:54:07 GMT -5
Thanks Zib - I checked Ancestry last night but didn't find that collection. In fact that collection is still not showing up!!! Using the straightforward path of Births, Marriages, Deaths|USA|Colorado via the index links there is no sign at all of this. Typing 'Colorado divorce' in the Keyword search box on the home page also offers no results for this collection! Finally found it by typing 'Colorado divorce index' in the Title search box on the home page!!! Seems to me that it should be a heckuva lot easier than this to find something! I'll check through the rest of the Connecticut information later tonight. CT
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Post by zibetha on Nov 24, 2016 3:00:10 GMT -5
That's why I said I "tripped across it." I am not a gambler, but I have a friend who is very successful at video poker and claims the system rewards you for playing correctly. So, I do my best and sit back and wait I think it is working! Anyway, I feel like a winner. Zib
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 24, 2016 7:01:05 GMT -5
Sometimes, it seems, the only way we can ever find things is by 'tripping over them'! At least we have that information now and hopefully one day we can get hold of something more than the indexed entry. But there is something else that I had forgotten is also still missing! Even after having just tried again I can still not find any trace of Matthew and Julia Trewhella or of Matthew and Margaret Trewhella in the 1860 Census for the US! Matthew senior died in 1865 but Julia lived until 1877 yet I can also not find her in the 1870 Census! In 1860 we might be able to explain their absence away by considering the possibility they were on their way back to Connecticut when the Census was taken but even that seems a little flimsy. I have no explanation at the moment for Julia's absence in 1870 though. But really, the problem goes a little deeper than this. We do know that the younger Matthew and wife Margaret had to have been in California between their 1856 marriage and the 1861 birth of son Matthew but there is nothing to say that Matthew and Julia and the rest of their children went West. On looking at some of the family details again I can point out that daughter Jane was married at Cheshire in July 1860 and sister Mary also at Cheshire in November the same year. And son William married Jane Eustis at Cheshire in March 1861. Hmm, it is interesting to note that Jane's husband (William H Mitchel) was born in Grass Valley, California! The 1860 Census was taken on 24th July just 2 days before Jane and William Mitchel were married and Jane seems to be the only member of the family to be found in that Census. She was living with James and Lucretia Lanyon at Cheshire. I am not quite positive but I think James Lanyon was the younger brother of Jane's mother Julia. His age in the Census puts his birth about 1818 or 1819 and Julia's brother was born in 1817 but it is likely he was indeed the same man. You may have noted that one of the children of Matthew and Margaret was named James Argle Trewhella. This name appears to come from the Lanyon family with another brother of Julia being named William Argell Perrow Lanyon. Ah yes, Julia Lanyon's grandmother was Jane Argall! I'm going to have to wait until tomorrow to begin updating all the Connecticut information. Concentration at the moment is just not happening and that is something I will need to complete this task! CT
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Post by zibetha on Nov 24, 2016 8:34:57 GMT -5
OK-- just lost my last post in progress due to an Internet blip, but I will look into this family as I suspect your Trewhellas and my Trewheelas/Trewhelas are of the same family. I finding some fun connections via the Cockes.
Z
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Post by zibetha on Nov 24, 2016 8:40:24 GMT -5
I don't know if you have seen the movie "Field of Dreams" but I am struck by the theme that "if you build it, they will come." That has been my experience re: my family history research. And why I use my worksheets in building my family tree.. The paper trail is great and the DNA test backup is amazing.
Zib
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 24, 2016 12:27:40 GMT -5
If there is a connection between 'my' Trewhellas and yours then I have long thought that it would be via the Christopher Trewhella witnessed the Will of Christopher Cock about 1689. Christopher Cock named four Trewhella grandsons in his Will and I suspect that Christopher Trewhella was their father. Both Christophers (Cock and Trewhella) appear to have been involved in some dealings in the Towednack and St Ives area and as the earliest known Christopher in my family was baptized at Towednack in 1702 to my ancestor Martin Trewhella and his wife Alice Phillips the logical assumption is that he was named after the son-in-law of Christopher Cock. The four grandsons in the Cock Will were Charles, Matthew, Thomas and David Trewhella with Charles almost certainly being the man who married Margery Luke at Camborne in 1686. Matthew and Thomas may be the earliest Trewhellas at Crowan but no documented link has yet been found. (David Trewhella is believed to be the man whose 1741 Will survives only in an index being one of those Wills lost during the German bombing of Exeter during WWII.)
But there could also be another connection via the Cock family through the 1767 Towednack marriage of William Trewhella to Ann Cock of Gwithian. I don't know of a connection with Christopher Cock as his family seems to have been from St Columb.
CT
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Post by zibetha on Nov 24, 2016 23:38:58 GMT -5
RE: Christopher -- no link yet (although I have some interesting related DNA matches under research.) Most current info has us as 9th cousins once removed with common ancestors John Harry/Harris and Ann Ellis of Gwithian.
Happy Thanksgiving, Z
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 25, 2016 7:14:54 GMT -5
Hmmm - that is a little confusing given I know of no confirmed link so far between the Crowan and Towednack Trewhella families. And the only link from John Harry/Harris/Anne Ellis to the Crowan family is via their youngest daughter Ann who married firstly to Bennett Cock at Gwithian in 1700 and then to Henry Richards at Gwithian in 1712. Bennett Cock's daughter Ann married Edward Bluett at Gwithian in 1724 and their daughter Martha married Thomas Trewhela at Crowan in 1763. I can't see any link in this lot at the moment that would make you and I cousins although I suspect it would have to be via Ann Cock who married William Trewhella. Ah, but wait! Ann Cock traces directly back to Roger Cock and Mary Roberts who married at Phillack in 1740. Mary was daughter of John Roberts and Mary Curnow who married sometime around 1711 probably at Towednack with John Roberts being son of John Roberts and Emblin Quick who married at Gwithian in 1657. Darn - I was sure a saw John Roberts and Mary Curnow somewhere in the line back from Ann Cock! But anyway, looking a little further and there does appear to be a common link with the second marriage of William Cocke to Mary Hockin at Gwithian in 1614. (He first married Alse Edward at Gwithian in 1604) There may be a subsequent link but I have managed to get myself too confused to find it again right now! On the Connecticut problem - it now looks like I will have to do all that work over the weekend. I have had a couple of other items to deal with offline and as well as that the water pump in my car packed it in this afternoon so I have to get that replaced!! CT
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Post by zibetha on Nov 25, 2016 8:38:35 GMT -5
That is the link -- Mary Curnow was the daughter of Jane Harris whose sister Ann was the wife of Bennett Cock. They were the parents of Ann Cock (husband Edward Blewett) the mother of Martha Blewett who married Thomas Trewhela. That would make our common ancestors John Harry/Harris als Angarrack and Ann Ellis. As my younger sister's friend would say, "oh happy day!"
Zib
PS: good luck with your car! Hopefully you don't need a new timing belt as well.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 25, 2016 14:31:41 GMT -5
AHA! Now I see it! I somehow got myself totally confused earlier while trying to follow each line back through my database. This is another lot I need to get tidied up.
The car should hopefully be fixed on Monday. The mechanic is another fire brigade member so won't rip me off but the car will need another new belt. This is not the timing belt though but rather the main belt that drives all the various pulleys on the motor. It needs to be removed so the water pump can be removed and replaced and as it is getting worn now is the best time to replace it. As it has to be removed in any case I don't think there would be added labour cost and Mark said a new belt would only be about $35.00.
Hopefully all goes well and I am mobile again by Monday afternoon.
And now I had best get some sleep so that I can try and concentrate on this Connecticut family this afternoon!!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 26, 2016 7:02:01 GMT -5
Re 'the other' Susan Trewhella - I have still had it in mind that this Susan must have been the last child of Matthew and Julia Trewhella and probably their only child born in the US. Even though I have still not been able to find her in the earlier Census records it still seemed logical that this would be where she must belong. However ................. I think I now have enough evidence to suggest that those thoughts were wrong. The 1865 Will of Matthew Trewhella is helpful here with one of the papers associated with the Will containing the following statement:- "Whereas the debts and charges allowed by this Court against said estate exceed the value of the personal estate which can be sold without prejudice to the widow and heirs by the amount of $1316.71 and whereas the six children of said deceased have by an equal contribution among themselves raised the sum of $236.71 towards the payment of said debts ......." The key phrase here is the six children with those children, according to my records, being the following:- Julia - born Cornwall 1828 - married James Stephens at Cheshire in 1849 (Julia died in 1901) Matthew - born Cornwall 1829 - married Margaret Dianthe Hotchkiss at Cheshire in 1856 (Matthew died in 1909) Jane - born Cornwall 1837 - married William H Mitchel at Cheshire in 1860 (not sure when she died) William - born Cornwall 1840 - married Jane Eustis at Cheshire in 1861(William died in 1931) Mary - born Cornwall 1841 - married James Pooley at Cheshire in 1860 (Mary died in 1928) Ann - born Cornwall 1844 - married first Matthew Curnow at Cheshire in 1863 and second Henry Murray about 1894 (Ann was in San Francisco during the 1906 earthquake) With all six of the above being alive in 1865 it means Susan cannot belong to this family so it is back to the old drawing board!! CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 29, 2016 1:51:28 GMT -5
Time for a rethink on this six children mentioned in the Will of Matthew Trewhella in 1865. Although the mystery Susan has not been found in the 1850 or 1860 Census I am beginning to wonder of perhaps she may still have been the daughter of Matthew and Julia Trewhella. The reason for this is all to do with Matthew's daughter Jane. The 1860 record of marriage for William H Mitchel and Jane Threwhella shows that the couple married just two days after the Census was taken. At that time Jane was living with her uncle James Lanyon and his wife Lucretia at Cheshire. In fact Jane was also with the Lanyon family back in 1850 (recorded as Jane TRULLAH) suggesting she may have been there through the intervening years. However, the dilemma is twofold. In the first place I would probably expect to be able to find William H Mitchel somewhere around Cheshire on Census night given he was married two days later yet I cannot seem to find any trace of him even searching on variations of his name. The second part of the dilemma is that I can find no trace of either he or of Jane after the marriage! There appear to be no children born in Connecticut and they cannot be found in the 1870 Census at Connecticut. William Mitchel had been resident at Grass Valley prior to marriage but I cannot find this couple in California or any place in between! So, did Jane die soon after the marriage or was she perhaps widowed and remarried? If Jane had died prior to 1865 then there would have been but five of Matthew's children still living in which case Susan would have to have been his daughter. The key is, it would appear, to find out what happened to Jane! CT
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Post by thatsmejennig on Nov 29, 2016 9:59:18 GMT -5
Even after having just tried again I can still not find any trace of Matthew and Julia Trewhella or of Matthew and Margaret Trewhella in the 1860 Census for the US! Matthew senior died in 1865 but Julia lived until 1877 yet I can also not find her in the 1870 Census! In 1860 we might be able to explain their absence away by considering the possibility they were on their way back to Connecticut when the Census was taken but even that seems a little flimsy. I have no explanation at the moment for Julia's absence in 1870 though. Hmm, it is interesting to note that Jane's husband (William H Mitchel) was born in Grass Valley, California! The 1860 Census was taken on 24th July just 2 days before Jane and William Mitchel were married and Jane seems to be the only member of the family to be found in that Census. She was living with James and Lucretia Lanyon at Cheshire. Sorry for the absence, went to my family's place in the mountains- felt like I was back in the time of the Trewhellas- no phone, no internet . Anywho, I've found a little bit that might fill in some gaps: Isn't Julia Trewella listed in the 1860 census as Julia D*Ler? I believe that in another thread someone else put that all together familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN7J-RN7Then on that same page a few doors down you have Lanyons and Keams- the person who indexed it listed them as Sawyer and Kearns I also attached a few new sources to Matthew Jr. on FamilySource. There are a couple of books about Cornish miners in Grass Valley that I attached and also might explain the very brief stint out there for our Trewhellas familysearch.org/tree/person/L5FZ-9Z6/details?spouse=KHM6-4MZ
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Post by thatsmejennig on Nov 29, 2016 10:15:02 GMT -5
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Post by thatsmejennig on Nov 29, 2016 10:21:06 GMT -5
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