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Post by Loolah on Oct 15, 2009 13:26:52 GMT -5
Hi CT Not had a chance to look at my Youngs again for a while but just wanted to say "Hi". :DWhen I get time I shall return to the chase and come to you for some more invaluable help. Keep warm Loolah
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 15, 2009 14:52:42 GMT -5
Hello Loolah and nice to hear from you again. Any time - just give me a hoy! Been working on some of my own stuff for a while so have managed to keep busy.
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Post by Loolah on Feb 16, 2010 11:27:59 GMT -5
Hi CT Just passing through so thought I'd say 'hello' and a belated Happy New Year! Looking into a different branch at the mo but my Youngs are always on the burner. No doubt I'll be back. Best wishes to all Loolah
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Post by amandabb on Jun 15, 2020 0:16:19 GMT -5
Hi,
I am new to this forum and I thought I had just created a post but have managed to delete it somehow I think. either way it has gone into the ether somewhere. Anyway here goes,
I have been reading all your backwards and forwards about James Young and the various goings on. I am descended from a branch of the Young family, now in Australia but originally from Rev James Young of New Cumnock. If course, have also heard the family folklore surrounding the possible press ganging of James Young.
The one piece of supporting documentation I have is a hand written note from Lady Dyson - nee Caroline Bissett Young - married Sir Frank Watson Dyson. She writes - Rev James Young and Elizabeth Hunter left two sons. Robert, a surgeon and James. She says James was press ganged, ended up in St Ives, was married (doesn't say who to), died soon after. Had a son James who was born after his death. That this son of "press ganged James married Jane Tonkin of Penzance. All well and good till you look at the dates.
James, son of Rev James and Elizabeth Hunter baptised 1763. Let's say he married when he was 18 that would take us to 1780/81. No way could he have married Anne Purefoy in 1771. Then if we say that his son was also married at around 18 then the marriage to Jane Tonkin is just possible. So, why the middle name Purefoy for Jane born 1800 - died 1801. Is it simply coincidence? Small place and could just be a namesake or cousin.
Only weird bit of other documentation is the face that a ship ended up adrift in St Ives circa 1780. If James drowned during this episode of local news would that be the answer? It really has me bamboozled. Lady Dyson was one very competent women and everything else she has noted is spot on the money.
The mystery continues. Any Ideas gratefully accepted and mulled over!
Regards
Amanda
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 15, 2020 9:29:07 GMT -5
Hi Amanda and Welcome to the site. I can find no references in any forums to the marriage of James Young and Elizabeth Hunter and have nothing in my own database about James Young of St Ives prior to his marriage at St Ives in 1771 to Ann Purefoy. It is this marriage from which the second forename of Purefoy originates. I have not heard from Loolah for a while but have sent an email to what I hope is still her current email address. Hopefully we will hear from her on this forum soon and you can both discuss this problem. CT
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Post by Loolah on Jul 16, 2020 13:27:01 GMT -5
Hello Amanda (and Cornish Terrier) There has always been a family mystery surrounding the origins of James Young (the one who married Ann Purefoy). Scotland or not? We have also heard of Lady Dyson's note suggesting James was the son of the Rev.James Young and Elizabeth Hunter. There is also a rather nice portrait of their son - James. HOWEVER, as you say, the dates do not add up. We are not the only Young folk who have been looking into this - my two cousins and a descendant of Lady Dyson have been scratching their heads for years over this question. Moreover, a research fellow at the University of South Australia looked into this in depth as part of her research for her book about John Lorenzo Young's school in Adelaide. I must admit, I've not seen the news report about the ship adrift off St.Ives - I shall look into that. I've also heard the story about the Press Gang but I guess we'll never know for certain. My own theory is this: the Rev. James Young was about 50 when he married Elizabeth Hunter so I wonder whether he had been married before (perhaps in Falkirk). He may have had a son with his first wife and named him James. That would fit the dates better for 'Our' James marrying in 1777. I have researched my theory to no avail. So, Amanda, we are none the wiser. If you'd like to know more about James's descendants, I'd be happy to help. Best wishes Loolah ps Which branch of the Youngs are you from?
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Post by Loolah on Jul 16, 2020 13:50:22 GMT -5
Crikey, is it really ten years since I last posted?!! Nope, just spotted that I had a query about Edwin Young (which CT solved for me - as always ) not quite as long as ten years ago.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 16, 2020 23:06:10 GMT -5
Welcome back Loolah! Hopefully you and Amanda might be able to put your heads together and come up with some new ideas to help solve this mystery. CT
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Post by petey on Jul 23, 2020 22:51:04 GMT -5
Hello Amanda (and Cornish Terrier) There has always been a family mystery surrounding the origins of James Young (the one who married Ann Purefoy). Scotland or not? We have also heard of Lady Dyson's note suggesting James was the son of the Rev.James Young and Elizabeth Hunter. There is also a rather nice portrait of their son - James. HOWEVER, as you say, the dates do not add up. We are not the only Young folk who have been looking into this - my two cousins and a descendant of Lady Dyson have been scratching their heads for years over this question. Moreover, a research fellow at the University of South Australia looked into this in depth as part of her research for her book about John Lorenzo Young's school in Adelaide. I must admit, I've not seen the news report about the ship adrift off St.Ives - I shall look into that. I've also heard the story about the Press Gang but I guess we'll never know for certain. My own theory is this: the Rev. James Young was about 50 when he married Elizabeth Hunter so I wonder whether he had been married before (perhaps in Falkirk). He may have had a son with his first wife and named him James. That would fit the dates better for 'Our' James marrying in 1777. I have researched my theory to no avail. So, Amanda, we are none the wiser. If you'd like to know more about James's descendants, I'd be happy to help. Best wishes Loolah ps Which branch of the Youngs are you from?
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Post by amandabb on Aug 29, 2020 22:39:17 GMT -5
Hello Amanda (and Cornish Terrier) There has always been a family mystery surrounding the origins of James Young (the one who married Ann Purefoy). Scotland or not? We have also heard of Lady Dyson's note suggesting James was the son of the Rev.James Young and Elizabeth Hunter. There is also a rather nice portrait of their son - James. HOWEVER, as you say, the dates do not add up. We are not the only Young folk who have been looking into this - my two cousins and a descendant of Lady Dyson have been scratching their heads for years over this question. Moreover, a research fellow at the University of South Australia looked into this in depth as part of her research for her book about John Lorenzo Young's school in Adelaide. I must admit, I've not seen the news report about the ship adrift off St.Ives - I shall look into that. I've also heard the story about the Press Gang but I guess we'll never know for certain. My own theory is this: the Rev. James Young was about 50 when he married Elizabeth Hunter so I wonder whether he had been married before (perhaps in Falkirk). He may have had a son with his first wife and named him James. That would fit the dates better for 'Our' James marrying in 1777. I have researched my theory to no avail. So, Amanda, we are none the wiser. If you'd like to know more about James's descendants, I'd be happy to help. Best wishes Loolah ps Which branch of the Youngs are you from? Hi Loolah, I descend from Roland Hill Young via my Grandmother Bertha Isabel Young who married Benjamin Wilson Vincent. I remember reading in one of your posts that you had found out that the James Young you are related to was the son of James Young Rev at Cumnock. This is entirely possible if James Young born 1711 married twice. I am proposing that his first wife was in fact Bessie Gibson and that James born 1744 at New Cumnock is the one. He could have been the one who married Ann Watty - widow of William Purefoy and then had James in 1772. All the dates work but I haven't been able to substantiate that yet. His second marriage to Elizabeth Hunter resulted in James Born 1763. This is also substantiated by the memorial erected by Robert Young surgeon. I am thinking Robert might have been a naval surgeon. Have to track down anything on this James of 1763. Have been sidetracked a little by other things. Will get onto it soon. In the meantime Petey has come up with some more connections to James Young born in Antrim which are possible too. Early Antrim records are very hard to track down. Will keep working on that too. So Looking forward to putting these mysteries to bed one day. Kind Regards, AmandaBB
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Post by amandabb on Sept 7, 2020 2:32:31 GMT -5
Hi Loolah,
I added a bit to your message above as a quote but I am thinking it is not showing up as a new reply. I really should read the instructions to all this board thing. The whole Bessie Gibson thing is only may theory. Love to hear what you think.
Cheers Amanda
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Post by Loolah on Sept 7, 2020 16:25:00 GMT -5
Hi Amanda I rather like your theory about Bessie Gibson. I have always wondered if the Rev. Young had married before. It's something I looked into many years ago but drew a blank. However, perhaps it's time to look again. My cousin, who had a DNA test some years ago, had Irish in his results and the northern part of the country so we shouldn't discount that link either. All so frustrating. You mentioned that you are descended from Roland Young - is that the Roland born in 1873 to John Lorenzo Young and Martha (nee Paynter)? Other than Roland's marriage to Mary and their son, John Lorenzo Young, I have no other details from there on. Let me now if you have any gaps in your tree and I'll do my best to help out. Best wishes Loolah
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Post by amandabb on Sept 7, 2020 18:10:32 GMT -5
Hi Loolah,
Yes that's him. John Lorenzo Young (1826 London - 1881 at sea) married Martha Paynter Young 1829-1887 (daughter of James Young 1798 and Martha Paynter 1793) They had the 10 children of which Roland Hill Young was the last. RHY married Mary Elizabeth Anderson (1874 NZ - 1966 Perth WA). Apparently when my Grandmother (Bertha Isabel Young) married the condition was that her mother came as a package. She lived with them from the getgo. RHY and Mary Elizabeth had 3 children. John Lorenzo Young 1898 Adelaide - 1961 Sydney, Brian Oliver 1899 Broken Hill to 1955 Melbourne and Bertha Isabel Young 1909 Perth - 2003 Sydney. I was about 6 when Gran (Mary Elizabeth) died and living on the other side of the country but I do remember little things about her. I used to help her put her stockings on. She used to do all the washing up for the family. She used to wash everything up in the biggest bowl she could find - never the sink! She also did all the ironing for the family. Really my grandmother Bertha Isabel had a built in house slave I think. Obviously it suited both parties because Roland Hill Young died in 1925 so Gran had a long time by herself. Bertha Isabel married Benjamin Wilson Vincent and had 3 children. One of which is my mother. I can draw it out for you if that would make more sense - just private message me your email address if you are interested.
I don't really know how we are going to sort out these James Youngs without the Antrim records to confirm. Such a pity they were destroyed. Still I love puzzles!
Cheers Amanda
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Post by Loolah on Dec 30, 2020 12:56:27 GMT -5
Hi Amanda I am so very sorry not to have got back to you. As I explained to Peter, things got a bit mad for me In October and family history was left on the back burner. However, I have a wee bit of down time and going through my Youngs, realised I had not replied - so sorry. I hope you had a good Christmas. I am still at a loss as to the Antrim Youngs but I guess I need to delve a little deeper into that one. It is interesting that my cousin (also a direct descendant of James Young) has Irish in his DNA. Being as you are descended from Roland Hill Young, you would know all about John Lorenzo Young's school in Adelaide. Have you seen the book on the school by Diana Chessell. It is very interesting and includes some Young family background too. Anyway, I thought I would say hello and apologise. I'll be in touch again, no doubt. All the best for 2021 Loolah x
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