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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 8, 2009 14:53:04 GMT -5
Thanks Loolah.
I shall be looking forward to your next, particular an interpretation of the 'mystery words' on the Certificate.
If there is any way I can help with that then please let me know.
I have a number of things on my plate at the moment but I intend to get back onto this Young problem soon and see what more I can find to help you.
CT
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Post by Loolah on Jul 16, 2009 12:26:47 GMT -5
Hi CT - sorry to read that you are so very busy. How on earth do you find the time to help me and so many others . Time for a rest? Just to let you know that I think, after a prolonged use of the magnifying glass, the 'mystery' wording just reads 'servant of Union Workhouse' with union workhouse abbreviated to Un work so it looked like 'all work' which just didn't make sense. I am wondering about Ann Purefoy who we now think was born circa. 1737 (and not the one who married James Berryman in 1773). I am considering the possibility that Ann was a widow when she married James in 1771 when she would have been in her 30s. I found reference to a William Purefoy marrying Ann Watty in 1766 in St. Ives. William was a Mariner and I wonder whether he died (not uncommon in that job as we know) and Ann then married James. I did find a death of a William Purefoy in St. Ives but that was in 1772 after Ann and James married. However, Ann and William Purefoy did have a son called William baptised 1770 in St. Ives so maybe that what him. I think this may be called clutching at straws I do wish that I wasn't so curious - when will it all end !!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 16, 2009 12:49:22 GMT -5
Hi Loolah - the possibility of Ann Purefoy having been a widow is certainly something worth pursuing. Although not recorded as such when she married James it is not so unusual and I have seen it numerous times. Why would you want all this to end?? - after all the fun we have been having! And yes - I think you may be right with the wording on the Certificate. Keep up the good work and more mysteries will be solved. CT
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Post by thenewk21 on Jul 17, 2009 20:37:38 GMT -5
I was attempting to contact Ian Trewhella, formerly from Pearcdale. Is that you Ian. We met about 10 years ago or so, & have lost touch. My relatives stemmed from Henry TREWHELLA b. about 1780 d. 1847
Regards Phillip Christie
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 18, 2009 2:51:04 GMT -5
G'day Phil - see PM.
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Post by Loolah on Jul 21, 2009 7:33:44 GMT -5
OMG! CT - sorry to butt in but I have just this morning received the will of James Young, Merchant of St. Ives, who died 21 February 1848. Now, I have not read the whole thing yet because when I opened it out fell the names of the Executors of his will. They were Phillip Marrack and Matthew TREWHELLA ;D Having just read the message from thenewk21 I thought you might like to know. I shall get back to reading the will now... Toodlepip Loolah
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 21, 2009 7:56:33 GMT -5
So now you have a connection to my lot! ;D Very good news Loolah and I am sure you will have some interesting reading. Just for your information - it is almost certain of the identity of this particular Matthew. Matthew bp. 25th March 1804 St Ives - only child of William Trewhella and Mary (nee Watts). Matthew was a 'merchant, gentleman and shipowner' and married Mary Stevens at St Ives in 1830. From memory this was the family of 'Trewin, St Ives'. I am not sure about Philip Marrack but the surname is more from the Paul area as a rule and, in fact, there are none of that name baptised at St Ives. Enjoy your reading and I would appreciate details when you have the time to jot them down please. CT
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Post by Loolah on Aug 4, 2009 12:03:14 GMT -5
Hi CT Not much to pass on as regards James Young's will (1848) He left everything to his wife Martha (nee Paynter) and children to be held in trust by Philip Marrack of the Penzance (Gentleman) and Matthew Trewhella of St. Ives (also Gentleman). The only specifics he mentioned were his gold watch, chain, seal and key which he left to Martha. Disappointingly, the will doesn't state what his land, properties etc are or where they were. (James was a Merchant and ship owner and in 1841 they were living in Treganna Place. ) By the way, I have never found the marriage of James and Martha. However, there is a James Young marrying a Martha Paynter at St. Mary's Portsea in Hampshire on 8 August 1825. A coincidence or could it be them? If so why marry there? Martha's family were Methodists but there was a chapel in St. Ives at that time I believe. Hmmm, most curious. As always, I thanks you for your help and interest in my Youngs. I shall keep you posted on any new findings. Toodlepip for now. Loolah
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 4, 2009 16:36:37 GMT -5
HI Loolah - from memory Matthew Trewhella was also living in Tregenna Place.
Now that marriage you found in Hampshire - I would suggest that this is almost certainly your James and Martha.
Remember that James was involved in shipping so he might have every reason to be at Portsea and it is not so unusual to find a marriage for a West Cornwall couple so far from home.
BTW - where did you find this marriage and were there any other details?
CT
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Post by Loolah on Aug 5, 2009 16:50:35 GMT -5
Hi CT If I remember correctly I was given the marriage inf by a very distant relation through Genesreunited I have seen it also on IGI but have not yet persued it via parish records. That is the only detail I have at present. Actually felt like summer today Loolah
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 5, 2009 19:26:32 GMT -5
Thanks Loolah I have now found it in IGI. I must have been tired or something because I looked yesterday and did not find it! I do think it is the correct marriage and have updated my system accordingly but a look at the Parish Record would be handy just to confirm it. CT
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Post by Loolah on Aug 13, 2009 12:05:54 GMT -5
Hi CT A quick, and probably rather silly, question - as I'm delving into 'off shoots' ie siblings of my primary Young ancestors, I see that several are buried at 'Penzance - Madron Chapelry' Does this mean the parish church in Madron or a chapel in Penzance under the church in Madron? I know that Penzance was once in the parish of Madron but not sure where I should be looking if I wanted to rumage around a churchyard at some point in the future. Advice please My thanks as always Loolah
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 13, 2009 14:38:33 GMT -5
Hello Loolah - it is pretty much as it reads. Penzance was just that - a Chapelry of Madron Parish. Most baptisms and marriages for Penzance took place at Madron or, if performed at Penzance, were recorded in the Madron Parish Registers. In the Madron baptisms you will find references to baptisms 'at Penzance'. In Phillimore for Madron you will find Marriages for Penzance people indicated by '*'. Where '*' appears beside both names it means that both parties were of Penzance. Now I have burials for Penzance St Mary from 1838-1844 and have found the following:- Mary Jane Blake Young of Penzance age 42 buried 17th September 1828 Peter Young of Penzance age 57 buried 13th March 1831 Hannah Young of Penzance age 26 buried 11th September 1838 James Young of Penzance age 1 month buried 5th January 1840 James Young of Penzance age 68[?] buried 2nd August 1840 From the Penzance Cemetery Burial Registry(Penzance Cemetery is a private burial ground opened in 1845) Alfred Young age 10 son of the Rev. Robert Young 3rd May 1850 ?? Young age 48 wife of Peter 11th July 1852 Sarah Young Dale age 15 daughter of the late John Dale 16th September 1864 Ann Young age 47 wife of Peter 13th December 1865 Mary Ellen Young age 15 days daughter of Peter 30th September 1866 Richard Samuel Young pauper age 13 21st January 1868 Mary Elizabeth Young age 28 daughter of Peter 27th May 1885 Jane Young widow age 61 18th July 1889 Peter Young age 85 retired master mariner 5th October 1892 (As far as I am aware all dates in the above are dates of burial.) Looks like a few little gems there for you! I must admit that I continually forget I have this particular transcript. CT
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Post by Loolah on Aug 17, 2009 12:07:50 GMT -5
oh what a star you are . Thank you so much for the transcriptions. I have been able to fill in a couple of death dates which I didn't have. The question mark Young who was buried in July 1852 was Eliza Pidwell Blake (Balke) Young, Peter Young's first wife. Ann Young (nee Davies) was wife no. 2. I didn't know about Mary Ellen Young d/o Peter but she fits nicely into a long gap between two of his children. Richard Samuel pauper was the Richard Dale we discussed earlier. He died in the workhouse - how sad at such a young age. I shall now look into Alfred and Jane Young who are new to me. Thank you once again. Loolah ps As for the St. Mary burials, I have those. However, Hannah is a bit of a puzzle. The one Hannah I have was married to John Dale.I had already ordrered her death cert. which should be here this week. I'll keep you posted
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 17, 2009 12:12:11 GMT -5
Always glad to be of help Loolah. Will look forward to your next and if there is anything that requires my help just let me know.
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