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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2008 3:08:56 GMT -5
Gandolf Just a couple of points, Wilmot Ann would have been closer to 20 when she married, which agrees with her age in the 1861 census where she is living at Camberwell Street in Madron with her husband Henry and children Israel, James and John Henry. Irrespective of that I think that your reasoning is very sound. Lannanta
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2008 3:23:24 GMT -5
Gandolf Me again, sorry Actually in 1851 he is a lodger, widower as you say, at St Clare Street in Madron. Interesting to note that his neighbour is another Quick, Mary Ann Eve Quick.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2008 4:00:29 GMT -5
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I guess you mean William and Margaret. I think that there are at least four deaths for a William in the Penzance district between 1841 and 1851 and I think one Margaret in 1845. It would be nice to have the burials for Madron for this decade methinks, it might be quite revealing.
I couldn't find them in the census for 1851 and it would surprise me to see them leave their families who were in the most part still in Madron.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 2, 2008 4:06:50 GMT -5
Before I get into reading your notes properly I will answer the following:- CT, can you provide the details of the burials from the PRs for my records please? Phillack Burials William QUICK, 76, of Churchtown buried 6th September 1865 Ann QUICK, 88, of Churchtown buried 19th July 1878 Now I need to swap back to page one of the thread to gather a couple of bits I need to respond to - looks like this might be a painful process. Lannanta - in answer to your question about the 'beer house keeper' in Somerset - when I first found him I was linking his occupation back to William and Margaret because when his first children were baptised at St Ives this William was then an 'innkeeper'. It is obvious now that they must be two different men. More soon, CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 2, 2008 4:15:18 GMT -5
You are going to be sorely disappointed - 'cos they just ain't buried at Madron! And they are not at Gulval either. Nor at Zennor or Paul. Towednack could be a possibility, I suppose, but I don't have those records. Fast running out of places where I would expect they 'should be'.
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Post by gandolf on Dec 2, 2008 4:26:42 GMT -5
Lannanta, no need to be sorry. I'd rather mistakes were highlighted and corrected than leave them stand. My excuse is that I was trying to dash the note of before having to go to work - would perhaps have been better to have waited and got it right. OK, firstly the corrected details of Wilmot Ann Quick's marriage. 14th Feb 1852 at Madron Henry Gregory, bachelor age 28 and a labourer, resident of Penzance. father John Gregory (Woolcomber) Wilmot Ann Quick, Spinster age 22 and a dressmaker, resident of Penzance. father "John" Quick (bailiff). As I said in my previous note, I believe Wilmot's father's name to be incorrectly recorded (or perhaps William was also known as John?). Not sure why I didn't find the Gregory family on the 1861 census. Can only think that it was because Wilmot apparently ran under her second name of Ann from her late teens and only married under her full name. That and being in a hurry Lannanta was also correct about the census reference to John Quick as the brother of Elizabeth (Quick) Medlin - it was indeed the 1861 cenus not the 1851 census. In 1871 & 1881 onwards, John was living with the Gregory family. John Osborne P. Quick died 1898 in Penzance District. I can't find John Quick on the 1891 census (on FreeCensus), nor can I find Henry or Ann (Quick) Gregory. So it looks like they moved out of Cornwall during this period. This seems to be confirmed as no Henry Gregory, no Wilmot Gregory & no Ann Gregory of the right age died anywhere in Cornwall up till 1920.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 2, 2008 4:36:05 GMT -5
Gandolf - the marriage details for John O P QUICK and his sister Elizabeth are most helpful and now very much clinch the issue of my two groups of children. As far as burials for William and Margaret - I have a possibility. Just checked FreeBMD for deaths prior to 1851 and it is most interesting. Four Williams died from March QTR 1841 - March Qtr 1845. Only one Margaret and she was December QTR 1845. Now, there was a Private Burial Ground (Penzance Cemetery) opened in 1845 and that is where John Osborn Polmear QUICK was buried on the 7th October 1898 - age 77 - buried in TREZISE GROUND. If William is one of the four mentioned above (and it would appear that Margaret must be the one mentioned) then he died prior to that Cemetery being opened. I don't have the exact date of opening but Margaret's death must be marginal in comparison. I should then that they would both be buried in whatever the alternative Cemetery was. But if they died before September 20th 1844 they are not buried at St Mary's, Penzance. So - did they both die in 1845 and are perhaps buried at St Mary's?? - That would seem the logical answer as I don't know of any other Burial Ground for Penzance from that era. CT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2008 4:46:18 GMT -5
CT & Gandolf There's a thing. Penzance cemetery opened in 1845 by 24 well to do business men I seem to recall. Anyway there are four Quicks buried therein:- Grace, daughter of John, 1848, 15 weeks Grace, wife of John, 1849, 31 years Ann, wife of John, 1853, 46 years John Osborne Polmear, 7/10/1898, aged 77years. So did John marry twice?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 2, 2008 4:49:28 GMT -5
Just found something else of interest:- Penzance Cemetery (from previous note). Interment No. 91 Grace daughter of John QUICK - 23rd April 1848 age 15 weeks Interment No. 161 Grace wife of John QUICK - 31st July 1849 age 31 Interment No. 395 Ann wife of John QUICK - 5th June 1853 age 46 Apart from John these are the only QUICK burials there apart from William Quick FRIGGENS, s/o Elizabeth who was buried in 1861 at the age of 8. So - did John marry twice?? - This ann would have been a good deal older than him so ...... There also appears to be no marriage for him in Cornwall between 1849 and 1853. Now let me see if I can get to read all your notes properly and rspond as appropriate.
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Post by gandolf on Dec 2, 2008 4:52:17 GMT -5
Probably nothing more than a coincidence? Mary Ann Eve Quick was John's second cousin once removed (his father William being Mary A.E. Quicks second cousin) The 1851 census does confirm John's marital status as widowed. It also seems to confirms his wife's family as Trezise. So yes, the Grace Quick who died in 1849 must be his wife. The only problem is I can't find any evidence of Grace Trezise as an unmarried woman in the 1841 census, nor does the IGI have a baptism for a Grace Trezise that would seem to be her (assuming that the Catherine & William Trezise with John Quick are Grace's sibilings) Perhaps Grace was a widow??
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Post by gandolf on Dec 2, 2008 4:57:05 GMT -5
From FreeBDM.. Deaths Jun 1848 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quick Grace Penzance 9 135 Deaths Sep 1849 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quick Grace Penzance 9 182 Daughter in 1848, mother in 1849. Oddly for some reason I didn't pick up the 1848 death as a possibility for the mother last night? Grace's birth: Births Mar 1848 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QUICK Grace Penzance 9 227
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Post by gandolf on Dec 2, 2008 4:58:30 GMT -5
If John did marry a second time to the Ann Quick who died 1853, then it must have been after 30th March 1851, as he is recorded as a widower in the 1851 census.
Although the other three burials are clearly related to John, perhaps the Ann is either unrelated or more distantly related?
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Post by gandolf on Dec 2, 2008 5:18:14 GMT -5
John O.P Quick's younger sister Margaret (on 1841 census) married at Madron 2 Apr 1843 to Christopher Jennings, a mason aged 24, father Thomas Jennings.
Christopher appears on the 1851 census as a widower, no children shown with him.
Margaret is apparently the Margaret Jennings who died 1848 at Penzance. Perhaps she is also in the cemetery mentioned in previous posts?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 2, 2008 5:25:19 GMT -5
I think you will find that the Ann wife of John QUICK buried at Penzance is no direct connection. 1851 Census Market Jew St, Penzance John QUICK, head, mar, 42, joiner, Penzance Ann do., wife, mar, 44, Gulval <=========== Elizabeth do., daur, 12, Penzance ?? do., daur, 8, Penzance Mary do., daur, 5, Penzance Catherine do., daur, 3, Penzance Elizabeth ROBERTS, lodger, widow, 80, formerly basket maker, Gulval I think this will be the Ann buried at Penzance in 1853 and Elizabeth ROBERTS is very likely her mother. BTW - cannot find the Gregory family in 1891 OR in 1901 Census and I also cannot find John in 1891 - Anywhere! Gandolf - those Madron marriages you have quoted - that information is not included in IGI so do you have other sources. If so - could you advise please. CT
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Post by gandolf on Dec 2, 2008 5:26:10 GMT -5
CT, thanks for the burial dates for William Quick and Ann (nee Dunstan) Quick. All helps fill in the gaps as they say
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