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Post by jsykora on Feb 5, 2009 16:24:03 GMT -5
Hi Tony! May 31, 1876? No meaning to me but I am not up to speed on the parents of Richard Jeffery OATS. I do know that Jane NOY (nee WILLIAMS) was a second marriage not a first marriage for Richard's father.
Here is the record from the 1851 Census to which you referred. It is from the St. Just in Penwith/ Penzance area.
57,Weavers Place,Richard Oats,Head,M,42,,Tin Miner,St Paul Cornwall,, ,,Richard Oats,Son,U,20,,,Sancreed Cornwall,, ,,Grace Oats,Dau,U,,18,,Sancreed Cornwall,, ,,Dianna Oats,Dau,U,,12,,Sancreed Cornwall,, ,,William Oats,Son,U,9,,,Sancreed Cornwall,, ,,Rebecca Oats,Dau,U,,7,,St Buryan Cornwall,, ,,Nanny Oats,Dau,U,,5,,St Buryan Cornwall,, ,,Louisa Oats,Dau,U,,5,,\- Unknown,,
I now know where "Nanny" came from.
Now to make things a little more Richardy. My connection to this crew is the son of Richard Jeffery OATS and Elizabeth TREMBETH. His name is Richard Thomas OATS. He immigrated to the US around 1881 to1882 and lived in the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania area of the US, coal mining territory. You might say we have a lot of Richards in common. There are more to come.
Care to explain the date?
Regards to you and your family, John
PS - I have found a Richard and Grace Oats in another part of the census. It is a possible father to our Richard and Dianne Oats. I mentioned the census entry in another thread. Perhaps Rob Oats can confirm the entry as it lists a birthplact for Richard and Grace Oats as well as ages. I do remember eldest Richard was listed as a "grocer" and I think the place was in SJP.
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Post by tonymitch on Feb 5, 2009 20:20:02 GMT -5
Oops...quite correct. Jane was the second marriage (1852) The marriage to Diana was in 1830. I simply misread my data. The date?......I have a hymn book given by Mary to my father. The fly leaf reads..."Mary Mitchell May 31st 1876 Cripples Hill St Just Cornwall". So far, no problem. One would assume that this was the date she aquired the book....but.....the book wasn't published until 1889! It can't be her wedding, that was in 1865, nor the date she left for Millom, that was around 1890. The inscription in the book is in beautiful 'copperplate' handwriting, yet on the marriage certificate of Mary and James she signs with a cross. If you wish to contact me directly instead of through the site, for photos etc. please feel free to do so. Tony M
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Post by jsykora on Feb 6, 2009 7:39:27 GMT -5
Thanks for getting back so quick. I will use this place to place my guess as to the date in the hymnal because others may know more than I. The hymnal might have been given as a confirmation gift or reminder. It is the custom in the Church of England to be given a book of common prayer, hymnal, or bible upon confirmation in the church. Usually it happens when the child is "coming of age" at ten or twelve years old. But I am confused as to why the late date was put into a hymnal so many years after the fact. Would it have been given as a farewell present from her church in the St. Just area? The 1878 date could be the date she began singing in the choir or joined the church. Seems the best explaination and would explain Your guess is as good as mine.
I like the mention of Cripples Hill (Crippa's). Some of the writtings of my Great Grandfather, Richard Thomas Oats, mention places in and around St. Just and Kelynack. In particular Cripples Hill and Boswarlas Moor. I hope this helps.
John S
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Post by RobOats on Feb 6, 2009 16:06:24 GMT -5
PS - I have found a Richard and Grace Oats in another part of the census. It is a possible father to our Richard and Dianne Oats. I mentioned the census entry in another thread. Perhaps Rob Oats can confirm the entry as it lists a birthplact for Richard and Grace Oats as well as ages. I do remember eldest Richard was listed as a "grocer" and I think the place was in SJP. I think you may be referring to; 6,Kenidjack,Richard Oates,Head,M,69,,Retired Innkeeper,St Just Cornwall,, Grace Oates,Wife,M,,36,,St Just Cornwall,, Richard Oates,Son,,10,,Scholar,St Just Cornwall This was Richard son of Richard and Margaret TREEVE. For some reason your Richard is not to be found in the 1851 Census in the region at all. Perhaps the home was missed because there is no record of Grace, his wife, either.
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Post by jsykora on Feb 7, 2009 16:24:36 GMT -5
Hello Rob! Thanks for the correction but I was referring to the following entry I found in the 1851 Census. I found a Richard and Grace Oats listed in the 1851 Census Enumeration District 3a Civil Parish of Madron Eccl. District of St. Peter, Newlyn H0107/1918 part 7 Folio 444 page 15 Listed as follows: "42,Buryas,Richard Oats,Head,M,72,,Grocer,St Just Cornwall,, ,,Grace Oats,Wife,M,,64,,Sancreed Cornwall,, ,,Mary A. Marrack,Lodger,U,,50,Landed Proprietor,Sancreed Cornwall,, Link: freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kayhin/51918g.htmlWhat do you think? This puts Richard OATS as being born around 1779 and Grace around 1784. How do those dates fit? Jophn
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Post by RobOats on Feb 8, 2009 16:38:38 GMT -5
Well spotted John. That fits very well as it connects to the '41 census and relates perfectly to him being the son of Richard and Ann SHAKERLEY.
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Post by jsykora on Feb 8, 2009 17:24:57 GMT -5
Thanks Rob! It means a lot when I can contribute to the cause, especially when I have learned so much about this from you and the others. I will look on your database and see where this leads. I did an earlier look at the LDS system to see what they had. I do not trust the LDS system but it can give some starting points and some points of interest. I will definitely be posting many more questions later. Thanks for the confirmation and the help.
John
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Post by tonymitch on Feb 8, 2009 19:39:32 GMT -5
Hear hear...thanks John....this fits exactly and confirms my suspicions. Now you can look with confidence at Rob's data back to the time when Good Queen Bess was on the throne.
Tony M
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Post by jsykora on Feb 8, 2009 19:45:44 GMT -5
Thanks Toney! Where do I go to find more on Richard OATS and Ann SHAKERLY OATS?
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Post by tonymitch on Feb 8, 2009 20:08:24 GMT -5
I must admit to having most of my information from Rob's excellent data base....then backed up from West Penwith Resources. If you want to contact me on pm I'll export the stuff I haveand you can check it out.
Tony M
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Post by brianterry141 on May 31, 2010 1:53:32 GMT -5
Is anybody working on the Rodda or Hosking family?
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Post by davidkingmartin on May 31, 2010 9:28:37 GMT -5
Hello,brianterry, and welcome. I have about 50 HOSKIN(G)s on my database. Distant relatives.Mostly Uly Lelant,St Ives, Gulval,Towednack,Ludgvan,Madron....from 1600s to 1900s (largely 1800s). Also spelt "Hosken". Also: a few RODDAs.
David
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 1, 2010 10:47:35 GMT -5
Welcome from me also Rodda and Hosking are names that are floating around although specific researching of either name has not become prevalent here as yet. If you can supply some specific details of where you have 'brickwalls' or problems then please post them and let's see what can be done to help. CT
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