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Post by stoulson on Jul 19, 2008 12:50:44 GMT -5
New member here.....I have St. Just/Pendeen ancestors back to 1600. Primary names are:
Rodda, White, Oats, James, Berryman, Wearn, Giles
I descend from Thomas White, b. 1810 SJP and Elizabeth Rodda, b. 1811 SJP. They married June 17 1833 in SJP. Their daughter Grace Oats White, b. 1846 in Pendeen was my Great Grandmother.
Happy to share info......
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Post by joycd on Jul 25, 2008 22:13:12 GMT -5
is your Thomas White the son of Nicholas white b1768 and Jane Thomas.
my great grandmother was Elizabeth White b1854 SJP daughter of Richard white b1827 Morvah and Elizabeth P White b 1829. SJP also happy to share info
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Post by white on Jul 26, 2008 8:55:17 GMT -5
Hi my name is Roy White. Your Whites and probably your Oats are aprt of my line. Please contact me direct and I can send you word docs. on the families. If you give me alittle more info. it will help, Roy
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Post by jsykora on Jan 18, 2009 21:00:28 GMT -5
I am also a new member here and I have Oats, Trembath, Prowes, Berryman, Daniel, and Jeffrey in my line. In particular, Richard Thomas Oats b. 1856 SJP, son of Richard Jeffrey Oats b. 1831 Sancreed, and Elizabeth Oats nee Trembath. This Oats clan lived in Kelynack, near St. Just in Penwith.
John Sykora USA
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 19, 2009 7:37:27 GMT -5
G'day again John good to see you getting involved in other sections of the forum. I will leave the OATS and a couple of others to those who know them a little better than I. But I would like to know more about your BERRYMANs as that is one family I have done a bit of work on. Can't claim to be an expert but I have worked on them and may be able to help you. Would also appreciate any chance you may also be able to help me on that lot. CT
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Post by white on Jan 19, 2009 9:17:53 GMT -5
Hi again Susan, Welcome to the throng. Long time , no hear, Roy White
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Post by white on Jan 19, 2009 9:22:03 GMT -5
is your Thomas White the son of Nicholas white b1768 and Jane Thomas. my great grandmother was Elizabeth White b1854 SJP daughter of Richard white b1827 Morvah and Elizabeth P White b 1829. SJP also happy to share info Hi Joyce, Roy White here. Plenty to share if we have not already done so, Roy
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Post by white on Jan 19, 2009 9:29:59 GMT -5
I am also a new member here and I have Oats, Trembath, Prowes, Berryman, Daniel, and Jeffrey in my line. In particular, Richard Thomas Oats b. 1856 SJP, son of Richard Jeffrey Oats b. 1831 Sancreed, and Elizabeth Oats nee Trembath. This Oats clan lived in Kelynack, near St. Just in Penwith. John Sykora USA Hi John, We may be able to help each other with the Oats line. I have parents for Richard Jeffrey Oats, Richard (born abt1805) and Diana Jeffrey(bp.21 aug 1808) I have no further info.on Richard. But, have masses on the Oats/Oates/Otts family going back pre 1600 with some wills etc. Obviously, I also have lots on the Whites. Happy to share details, Roy White
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Post by tonymitch on Jan 19, 2009 19:38:03 GMT -5
Hi John,
Richard Jeffery Oats was the elder brother of my G-Grandmother Mary Oats (b1841) I haven't much on Richard's family. However, I don't have a dob for Richard, only baptism at Paul on 2 Sept 1810. (Knowing my luck...or lack of ability....I will have the wrong Richard.) If I have the corect fellow he was also married to Susanna Prowse in 1852 before he married Elizabeth Trembath in 1856 I also have a fair bit of info on the Oats going back to 1600
Tony M
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Post by londoner on Jan 20, 2009 9:56:21 GMT -5
I guess we all have an Oates somewhere way back - mine was Christian who m Robert Humphrys and was buried at Sennen 1700. And a later one - Constance who m Richard Trahair lighthouse keeper, whose son Richard married my gt gt aunt Elizabeth Humphrys, also at Sennen
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Post by RobOats on Jan 21, 2009 3:39:55 GMT -5
Hi John, I am on to this one and the full detail will be available on my database in a few days (probably Sunday). Just a summary for now; Richard Jeffery was son of Richard and Diana JEFFERY. Richard had a second marriage after Diana apparently died about late 1850 or early '51. Richard (his father) was the son of Richard and Grace DANIEL married 1807 in Paul. The actual ancestry of Richard is unclear. The 1841 Census indicates he was born 1780 (+-5yrs; 1775 - 1785). Sadly records for this family are missing in the 1851 Census which would have identified his origin. He died before 1861 as Grace is shown as a widow. The only "apparent candidate" was of Martin 1782 in Ludgvan but since the name Martin is not used subsequently but was used commonly before, makes him unlikely. I am stuck at this point in relation to his origins in the Penwith area but will look at the likelihood of him originating elsewhere in this region at a later date. Certainly the use of Richard is very prominent.
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Post by marychown on Jan 21, 2009 4:01:21 GMT -5
There is also an OATS from St. Just line which has strong Paul connections. A Hugh Oats (maybe baptised 2 Nov 1742 St. Just?) married Elizabeth Tippet (baptised 8 June 1735 St. Buryan) at St. Buryan on 5 Aug 1757. I can find 4 children for them - Hugh Oats (baptised 30 Oct 1769 St. Just); Thomas Oats (baptised 26 Jan 1772 St. Just); Jane Oats baptised 12 June 1774 St. Just and must have died in infancy); JANE OATS (baptised 25 June 1775 St. Just; buried Paul 20 Dec 1863). This latter Jane married JAMES HARVEY (baptised 18 Mar 1781 Paul; buried 26 June 1833 Paul) at Paul on 26 Dec 1801. Jane Harvey nee Oats is recorded in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 Census as living with her son James Harvey and family in Mousehole. Her burial record is Paul 20 Dec 1863 - Jane Harvey of Mousehole aged 96.
Anyway, James and Jane Harvey had four children:
1) Mary Ann Harvey (baptised 10 Oct 1802 Paul) who married Michael Bennetts of Paul at Paul on 18 Mar 1821 and their daughter Mary Ann Bennetts married James Oats (father Hugh Oats, dead) at Paul on 23 Oct 1841. Mary Ann died young St. Just burial records record 27 Nov 1850 Mary Ann Oats of Letcha aged 27;
2) Grace Harvey (baptised 8 Oct 1804 Paul) married Michael's (above) brother John Bennetts at Paul on 15 June 1828. Their daughter Mary Jane Bennetts (baptised 13 June 1830 Paul) married Hugh Oats of Paul (father Hugh Oats, Miner) at Paul on 12 Oct 1851 and they had a son also called Hugh Oats baptised at Paul on 31 Dec 1851);
3) Abdnego Harvey (baptised 6 April 1801 Paul). It is believed that this Abednego Harvey was known as Benjamin Harvey (aged 36) in 1841 Census), who married Jane McClary at Paul on 18 April 1830. 7 children recorded - one of whom was James Thomas Harvey, (1840-1901) my great-great grandfather and also great-grandfather of Tom Harvey (see Harvey information). Benjamin Harvey was buried at Paul on 6 July 1850. In 1851 Census, his son Benjamin Harvey (baptised Paul 10 Oct 1830) was recorded as being part owner of nets on board vessel 'Edwin' in Mousehole harbour, a boat owned by James Harvey, Captain, who was the son of James Harvey and Jane Harvey nee Oats mentioned above. Young Benjamin died later that year and was buried at Paul on 31 May 1851. Presumably he was working on his uncles's boat;
4) James Harvey (baptised 7 Oct 1810 Paul; died 1893 Mousehole) who married Jane Blewett at Paul on 16 June 1835 .James Harvey was captain and owner of the vessel 'Edwin' which was recorded in Mousehole harbour in 1851 census. As already mentioned his mother Jane Harvey (nee Oats) lived in his household as a widow and is recorded in 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses.
Trying to sort out all the connections of the Harvey/Oats and Bennet/Oats connections is proving to be most difficult. But it does seem that several of the St. Just Oats moved to live in Paul, married there and some after marriage moved back to live in St. Just.
Mary
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Post by white on Jan 21, 2009 7:15:42 GMT -5
Hi Mary, I would suggest that the Jane Oates was actually the one bapt.18th.feb.1766. Daughter of James Oats and Elizabeth Guy. This fits in with her age on census. What do you think ?. Roy
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 21, 2009 8:06:00 GMT -5
I was a little confused at first but think I have worked this out. It was the Richard and Diana names that confused me given they seem to have been at least semi-prominent in this line at the time. From what I now understand a Richard OATS married Diana JEFFERY and they were the parents of Richard Jeffery OATS. Hope that is correct? Now have to pick up where I was at as I am now just back from a Fire Call. If I have that correct then Diana was baptised 21st April 1808 (another entry suggests the month as August) and her parents were:- Richard JEFFERY m. Diana HUTCHENS 10th October 1795 at St Buryan I have not so far pursued this line but will be happy to do so as I have the chance. From other information I have received over the years I understand that Diana's sister Nancy married John POLLARD at Zennor in 1825. Will check through this thread again in the next couple of days and try to update with any further information I have that may be of use/interest.
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Post by marychown on Jan 21, 2009 14:05:19 GMT -5
Hi Roy,
To answer your question, for a long, long time I also believed that Jane Oats baptised at St. Just on 18 Feb 1766 (daughter of James Oats and Elizabeth Guy) was the correct Jane Oats, but then I later on felt that Jane Oats daughter of Hugh Oats and Elizabeth Tippet was probably the right one. I know that despite taking into consideration her age given at the 1861 Census and at her burial, which would suggest that she was born in 1767, the earlier Jane Oats would indeed seem to be the more appropriate one. In the 1851 Census Jane's age is given as 82, thus suggesting that she was born in 1769 and therefore younger than if she had been born in 1765/1766. Altogether most confusing! But there was also the problem then that if she had been born in 1765/1766, she would have been at least 15 years older than her husband (baptised on 18 March 1781), and I felt that would have been a bit too big an age gap even allowing for the fact that these people lived in the 18th-19th century. This big age gap always seemed to be most unlikely. Also, she would have been fairly old - about 45 having her youngest son, James although this, of course, is not impossible. Another reason for choosing Jane baptised 1775 was the fact that she had a brother called Thomas (baptised 26 Jan 1772 St. Just) and that her maternal grandfather was Thomas Tippet, thus accounting for the fact that her son Abednego/Benjamin called his son James Thomas Harvey (the name Thomas did not feature at all in the Harvey line). Apart from all this, the name Hugh appears frequently in the lineage of Jane Oats baptised 1775 and not at all, I believe, in the lineage of Jane baptised 1766. Then again what to make of the fact that Jane Harvey's two granddaughters called Mary Bennetts each married an Oats - Mary Ann Bennetts married a James Oats (son of Hugh Oats - dead) and Mary Jane Bennetts married a Hugh Oats (son of Hugh Oats - miner). I feel that one must always look at the wider picture and try to work out inter-family relationships. Knowing full well that in by-gone days - in Paul parish in particular - cousins frequently married each other, that fact should also be taken into consideration. Jane Harvey nee Oats (born 1775) had a brother called Hugh Oats, and also a grandfather called Hugh Oats, thus making it probable that her grandfather's other sons or her brother could well have named a son Hugh. I discovered that her grandfather Hugh Oats had a son called Martin Oats (her father's brother) who married Amy Leggo, and he named one of his sons Hugh, the name Hugh passing down that line.
So, taking all the above facts into consideration, that has been my reason for believing Jane Oats (born 1775) was the one who married James Harvey.
Mary
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