Alfred Edward Chapple

[georgec]

Hi I am still working on the CHAPPLE family that lived in Zennor but now part of that family have moved to Towednack and are living at Woon Billas

James Chapple m Mary Woolcock 12 Nov 1827 Gulval

There son James Woolcock CHAPPEL m Jane ?

the son of the above Alfred Edward CHAPPEL was down as age 3 months on the 1871 census.

Alfred Edward CHAPPELL age 41 m Elise SPENCER age 31, 10 OCT 1928. I have the marriage cert.

so if Alfred was 41 in 1928 have was b around 1887.

I cant work out the age problem with this one, and I know I have the right family.

Any ideas please George

[trencrom]

Perhaps there was more than one person with this name, possibly the first one died young -- suggest you check the 1891 census and see what age it gives for him there.

Trencrom

[Deleted]

Gidday George

Well I know nothing about this family, but:

I reckon the first Alfred E died aged 6 in Sept qtr 1874. Then I reckon that the wife Jane died aged 42 in the March qtr 1874.

Then I reckon that James remarried Mary Murley (Morley) (of Ludgvan) in the Sept quarter 1877.

Then the 1881 census and the 1891 census show the parents as James and Mary with the new Alfred aged 7 months in the 1881 census and aged 11 years in 1891 census and living at Georgia Croft next to Woon Billas. In the 1901 census Alfred is still living at Georgia Croft and is aged 20 years.

Maybe when he was married it was supposed to be 47 and not 41 - copying error??

[georgec]

Thank you both for reply.

I still have a lot to learn about tracing a family history and the other problem is trying to get the the time to do it.

Will have a look at the records you mention

Once more thank you

George

[Cornish Terrier]

Lannanta has it pretty much spot on and not bad for a 'Quick' look.

Alfred Edward was baptised 7th October 1868 at Towednack when his father was 'of Georgia Croft'.
He was buried at Towednack 12th August 1874 age 6, of Georgia.

James' first wife, Jane, was buried at Towednack 23rd February 1874 age 42, of Georgia.

I have not yet done any work on Jane or of Mary, James' second wife, but hope to look into that soon.

I believe you will find the following is your James if you do not already have the information.

James Chappel buried 15th April 1910 at Towednack, age 80, of Georgia.

It appears that his first wife was either Jane Bonnetto or Jane Harry and he was first married in the September Qtr of 1852.

Still working on more data here but have to shut down for a few minutes while new Software Updates are installed on my computer.

[georgec]

Hi thanks for the update it seems to be working out so far. Have been working things out most of the day. I have sent for marriage cert for James Chapple and Mary Morlay, will let you know what I find.

Now trying to find the family of the that my father in law told me. He says his grandfather James Woolcok Chappell m a Emma Smith

But I think this info is wrong as I think his grandfather married Jane ? who died then re married a Mary Morley who then had his father Alfred Eward Chappell

I cant see the wood from the trees at the moment

George

[georgec]

Hi I am still trying to work out what my father in law told me but still cant make it fit with what he has said. (Have been trying for about 3 hours now.)
So I think that he could have made a mistake, if any one come across a James Chappell m Emma Smith around the Towednack area please let me know, as I would like to work this bit out for him.

Thanks George

[Cornish Terrier]

Georg - using FreeBMD I have done a blanket search of all years to see if there was any marriage between an Emma Smith and a James Chapple (var.).

No results using Chapple or Chappel but I did find one for Chappell that might be useful. (Bear in mind there are two couples listed on the page but my search criteria was Emma Smith with spouse James Chappell.)

Milton R.D. 1867 March Qtr Vol 2a Page 213
James CHAPPELL
Emma SMITH

Milton R.D. is in Surrey if that is any help to you.

Ian

[georgec]

Thank you for your help Ian

Regards George

[georgec]

Hi

Well the marriage cert arrived to day and it would seam that I have been tracing the wrong line of CHAPPLE

Alfred Edward CHAPPELL was the son of James CHAPPELL and Emma SMITH. (the right line)

9 FEB at Milton in the county of Kent after banns
James CHAPPELL 25 bachelor, Labor. Father William CHAPPELL Labor.
m
Emma SMITH 20 spinster. Father George SMITH Labor

in the presence of G CHAPPELL (cant make it out it looks like George)
and May Ann CHAPPELL (both left there marks)

So now must re start the hunt

George

[georgec]

Hi
I have been tracing the wrong tree of CHAPPELLS ( I think)

James CHAPPELL m Emma SMITH 9 Feb 1867 in Milton Kent ( I have marriage cert)

James had a son Alfred Edward CHAPPELL who married Elise Spencer 10 Oct 1928 in Penzance reg office.

Alfred had a son John Edward CHAPPELL (my father in law)

James was father was William CHAPPELL and came from the West Penwith area re: Zennor, Madron, Nancledra or St Ives.

The Family of Chapple that I traced in the other tree, I cant find were James father William CHAPPELL fits in. I may have lost the line in this mess.

Any help with this would be GREAT

Thank you

George

[londoner]

I have found a family at Milton, Kent which could be the right one but no apparent link to Cornwall:

1841 Census
George Chapel 9
Jane Chapel 2
Sarah Chapel 31
William Chapel 38

1851
George Chaple 19
James Chaple 9
Jane Chaple 12
John Chaple 4
Sarah Chaple 41

1861
James Chapell 19
John Chapell 13
Sarah Chapell 50
William Chapell 58


(Cant find William & Sarah in 1871. But in 1861 William's occupation appears to be Mariner do he might have been at sea.
All censuses give William's place of birth as Milton and Sarah at Sittingbourne.)

1871 @ Teynham, Kent
Emma Chapell 24
James Chapell 29
James Chapell 1
Richard Chapell 3

1881 @ Teynham

Emma Chappell 35
Emma Chappell 7
George Chappell 4
James Chappell 39
James Chappell 11
Richard Chappell 13
William Chappell 1



1881
Sarah Chapell 72
William Chapell 79

1891 @ Sittingbourne, Kent

Emma Chapell 43
George Chapell 15
James Chapell 48
John Chapell 4
Robert Chapell 8
William Chapell 12
No sign of an Alfred Edward born in 1887 so I suspect that the James - Emma Marriage is a red herring and the younger son of James of Towednack is your man after all.

The only solution would be to find his birth cert which will give his mother's maiden name.

[georgec]

Hi

I have the marriage cert of James Chappell and Emma Smith. m 9 Feb 1867
At the time of the marriage James was 25 so he was born around 1842/3
Emma was age 20

His father William Chappell is down as a laborer
The witness on the cert are George Chappell and May Ann Chappell.

I have no other info on this family as my father in law cant remember his grandparents. But his wife says John Chappell m a Emma Smith

I have the marriage cert of my father in laws father Alfred Edward Chappell and Alfred's father is down as James Woolcock Chappell.
Which I have found in the other tree but the age dates are wrong. and no Emma Smith in that tree.
So I am at a bit of a loss at the moment

George

[londoner]

looking at the Milton family I am fairly convinced that the James who married Emma Smith was NOT James Woolcock Chappel. They never lived in Cornwall and didn't have a son Alfred. The one you want has to be the James who married first Jane then Mary and lived at Georgia.

I dont know who the Emma Smith your mother-in-law mentioned might be. James did have a brother John but I cant find a marriage to Emma for him either.

By the way was Alfred Edward single or a widower when he married Elise Spencer? I found a marriage Q4 1910 Penzance for Alfred Edward Chappell to Either Emily Christopher or Elizabeth Matthews. Which could have been him.
I am inclined to agree with Lannanta about the possible error in his age at marriage. Do you know when he died and how old he was then? that might sort out that particular problem.

[georgec]

Hi

Yes Alfred was a widow at the time of the marriage to Elsie

Sorry I don't know the date of his death but my father in law told me that he was in his 80 and is buried at Towednack but I could not find him when I went to look for his grave. (so I think he must have died in the 70s)

George