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Post by cornishglassons on May 14, 2008 3:00:32 GMT -5
I must say that I do not know about this Robin who was buried in 1737. There was a Robin s/o John Glasson bp. 1741 at Camborne and I have a suspicion that he may have been a replacement for the one buried in 1737. Two instances of the name in such a short time indicates the likelihood that it may not be an error where 'Robert' has been misread as 'Robin'. I actually agree Ian that the Robins were a seperate name, whereas I think the Robards (also written as Robart) were probably errors. CM found that Robin was actually baptised and buried in 1741, but could only find one Robin...I must look into that some more...suppose it's very possible to lose two infant sons called Robin (another branch of the Glassons 'went through' three Henrys before one survived to adulthood!) but where did the 1837 one go (if he existed)...umn, I'll let you know!!! Carole
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Post by cornishglassons on May 14, 2008 9:09:36 GMT -5
Update - remember the two Roberts: Robard b 1712 to Robard Robert b 1724 to Robert ...well, I'm in the middle of doing a Camborne database and cross referencing everything as I go and it has worked out that Robard 1712 and Robert 1724 were brothers! In other words senior Robard and senior Robert were the same man!!Am I going mad? According to this database I have set up that has to be right...yet why didn't we think of this before....or did we? Carole
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Post by cornishmaid on May 14, 2008 10:55:25 GMT -5
Don't worry Carole, it happens to us all ;D Yes, I think we had worked that out. At least that's what we think at the moment. If you'd seen how many variations of Glasson I've come across today, 2 versions of Robert is nothing ;D I think Robert 1712 and 1724 were brothers, even though I haven't managed to find a death for the first one as yet. And Robert/Robard would appear to be the same man. Hope that helps. Won't rest until I find that burial though.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 15, 2008 0:27:58 GMT -5
One of my first thoughts was that the two Roberts were brothers as the available information indicated the fact. However, before coming to a final conclusion I want to work my way through all the additional information that we have so as to make the picture a little more clear.
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Post by cornishglassons on May 15, 2008 13:33:57 GMT -5
Don't worry Carole, it happens to us all ;D Yes, I think we had worked that out. At least that's what we think at the moment. If you'd seen how many variations of Glasson I've come across today, 2 versions of Robert is nothing ;D I think Robert 1712 and 1724 were brothers, even though I haven't managed to find a death for the first one as yet. And Robert/Robard would appear to be the same man. Hope that helps. Won't rest until I find that burial though. I thought it was beginning to become clear, but sadly am scratching my head again. Can't yet find the death of the first young Robert (you know what I mean ) either - but now I'm confused with the will of his father: The will of Robert Glasson of Gwinear says: admon granted 14 Feb 1739 to Margery Glasson widow' - that means he can't be the Robert, son of John of Gwinear, who was buried in Camborne on 8 Sept 1760. We know by HIS will that son Robert b 1724 of (by then) Crowan didn't die until 1789 so...oh dear??!! Er....wonder if a glass of wine would help? Carole ps you mean Glasson, Glason, Glazon, Glassen, Glasen, Glasont, Glasond, Glasant, Glasont, Glazin, Glazen and Glassond? ;D
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Post by cornishglassons on May 15, 2008 13:39:08 GMT -5
One of my first thoughts was that the two Roberts were brothers as the available information indicated the fact. However, before coming to a final conclusion I want to work my way through all the additional information that we have so as to make the picture a little more clear. Yup, it's still foggy in here, but I'm having fun trying to connect the family info from the wills with parish records... One more question though if I may? What does 'baptised privately' mean that I keep coming across? I wondered if it were a poorly child baptised at home, and then later recovering and undergoing the baptism ceremony again, but this time in church? Or not? Thanks - trying (and failing) not to bombard you too much, honest!! Carole
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Post by cornishmaid on May 15, 2008 15:50:28 GMT -5
Now stop trying to confuddle me! If the record says "Robert Glasson, son of John of Gwinyer" (phonetically correct ), then I would say this was referring to a child. An adult burial is usually just the name of the person. I say usually because there are exceptions to every rule. Will have to have a ponder on that one As to the private baptism, this is usually because the child is not expected to live very much longer. In fact, I have one instance where the child was actually deceased before being privately baptised. Some did rally round when they weren't expected to though Wine? Always a good idea I feel. No reason required here ;D .
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Post by cornishmaid on May 16, 2008 3:15:28 GMT -5
Err, you forgot Glafson Regarding your Robert Glasson, son of John of Gwinyer. If we go by the hypothesis that Robert was a child when he died, we are looking for a birth of a Robert Glasson before the burial date of 8 September 1760, with a father called John from Gwinyer. I also found the following burial at Camborne, which may be from the same family: Joan Glasson, dau of John, buried 3 April 1758. Again, this is likely to be a child, or at least an unmarried daughter. Taking the hypothesis further that Robert and Joan were from the same family, and are from Gwinear, we have the following baptisms in Gwinear: Father: John Glasson; Mother: Mary Children: Joan Glasson bapt. 2 February 1754 Mary Glasson bapt. 19 October 1755 John Glasson bapt. 22 January 1758 Robert Glasson bapt. 31 August 1760 There is a marriage at St Keverne of a John Glasson to a Mary Richards in 1752 which might be this couple. I'll check Phillimores a minute. Aha, here we are: John Glasson OF GWINEAR & Mary Richards 30 August 1752. ;D So, what does everyone think
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 16, 2008 11:56:52 GMT -5
This last lot is helpful but I will refrain from too much comment as I have still not waded through all the other data. One comment on burials (and I think the point was eluded to) where a male baptism occurs and is recorded as "son of" it does usually mean that the baptism is that of a child - however I have seen this same terminology used for a son who was more than 20 years of age at the time of death. Must keep an open mind at all times until proof is found one way or t'other in some of these cases.
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Post by cornishglassons on May 17, 2008 8:49:14 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone, especially the huge help of Cornishmaid. I've been a bit under the weather, hence wasn't online yesterday - but just popping by to let you know I haven't suffocated under a pile of Glasson burials. I've printed everything out and actually taking them up to my sickbed with me now (how's that for dedication!!! ). I'll be back soon... Carole
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Post by cornishglassons on May 26, 2008 8:08:27 GMT -5
I think I’ve gone as far as I can with the Robert Glassons until either I see the records in Truro for myself or new information comes up. So Robert is on hold until then. Once again thank you so much for your help!! But now my mind turns to a John Glasson query that I’d be grateful for some thoughts on. I’ll call him John Glasson senior…as Cornishmaid rightly told me, if I thought Robert Glassons were numerous just wait until I got onto the Johns!!! ;D ;D This John Glasson senior married Blanch Kemp (1756-1843) in Breage on 1 Jan 1776 (Phillimore Marriages) and lived at Tremearne Farm, Breage. John senior died on 16 May 1828 (buried 30 May). The above is not in dispute, but once again my belief of John senior’s parentage differs from the numerous trees and information I see online. There has been much research on this family, particularly in Australia as 8 of John and Blanches’ grandchildren emigrated there where a book was written about them and letters between Australia and England survive. Again and again I come across: John senior bp 26 Dec 1757 s/o John Glasson and Ann Hampton This by several experienced researchers who have amassed a huge amount of information. However, I believed John senior was bp 19 May 1752 in Crowan s/o Robert Glasson and Susannah Mitchell I felt like a loan voice in the wilderness believing this, but when I actually visited Breage Churchyard this spring and found John senior and Blanches gravestone (together with their children who hadn’t emigrated) I found it read: John Glasson (senior) who departed this life 16 May 1828 age 76. This tied in with my belief that he was born in 1752. Another thing pointing to this being correct was that John senior and Blanches son John junior b 1 Jan 1777 at Tremearne, Breage married Mary Glasson junior of Crowan d/o William Glasson (1755-1842) and Mary Williams (1758-1828) both of Crowan. From the letters it seems John junior and Mary junior were also first cousins, and certainly Mary’s father William was also the son of Robert Glasson and Susannah Mitchell (hence Willam and John senior were brothers). What I don’t understand though is what evidence is there that John senior could have been the s/o John Glasson and Ann Hampton as so many others seem to believe. As I say, I am ‘one voice singing the darkness’ and would be grateful for anyone’s thoughts. Please feel free to tell me if I have gone wrong here – happy to accept and willing to learn!! Best wishes all, Carole
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 26, 2008 10:50:56 GMT -5
Carole - it would be nice if at least one of the 'multitudes' could get in touch and offer some reasons for their thinking and reasoning on this one.
As you mentioned the Inscription on the gravestone indicates that you are certainly on the right track.
It may be that one person, for whatever reason, figured out that the Ann Hampton connection was right and everyone else followed. After all, it would not be the first time that has happened.
However, if some of these people have arrived at the same conclusion independently of each other then we need to find out why.
Will try and get onto this properly soon but I have a few other little problems nagging at me at the moment and need to try and get them sorted so I can clear the paperwork off this desk.
Keep plugging away keep us informed and more help will arrive.
Ian
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Post by cornishmaid on May 26, 2008 13:08:40 GMT -5
Not much to add to this one at the moment, except that I checked the Cornwall Burial Index just in case there was any anomoly in dates or ages for John Glasson Snr. Sometimes mistakes in dates are made on gravestones (and don't I know it ). However, the burial index states that John Glasson was buried in Breage on 20 May 1828, aged 76. This fits in perfectly with the gravestone details.
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Post by cornishglassons on May 27, 2008 5:19:12 GMT -5
Carole - it would be nice if at least one of the 'multitudes' could get in touch and offer some reasons for their thinking and reasoning on this one. Ian Yes, that would be good - there may well be a sensible and logical reason for their thinking...just I don't know what that is! In the meantime though, my computer has caught a virus (writing from my daughter's laptop at the mo) and so I have no access to my tree or email until it's repaired. Keep your fingers crossed for it - leaving your computer at the repair shops is like leaving your child in hospital! Now for a computer free day...bored already...however did I manage before?!?!?! Best wishes, Carole
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Post by cornishglassons on May 27, 2008 5:22:46 GMT -5
However, the burial index states that John Glasson was buried in Breage on 20 May 1828, aged 76. This fits in perfectly with the gravestone details. Thanks for the double check - very much appreciated! As I just posted my computer is very poorly and so I have no access to email or my family tree for a bit so I haven't vanished from the face of the earth if I go quiet. Enjoy half term week (my son who downloaded the video that created the computer virus isn't having such a good holiday!! ) Best wishes, Carole
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