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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 20, 2008 21:58:04 GMT -5
Have now had a bit of a look at these and the report, brief though it is, is as follows:- 26 June 1812 - from an earlier contact (1999) I am of the understanding that this James was the first son of the first marriage of James (s/o Paul and Wilmot) and Mary Quick. The marriage occurred 7th May 1759 at Towednack and James was baptised 16th March 1760 at Towednack. He is supposedly the James Quick who was a Harbour Master and who married Susan Lee at Maker 28th July 1800 according to my early information. ** Need to check that marriage to see what extra details are given re James. ** I have only one other James Quick in my database who might fit the burial in terms of age:- James bp. 11th February 1759 at Ludgvan s/o Henry and Elizabeth Further information needs to be dug out on both of these. 04 APR 1820 - I have no James Quick in my database who would match this one in terms of a probable birth year of 1768 so this one is definitely a candidate. The nearest to him would be the son of Robert Quick and Anne (Michell) bp. 1766 at Towednack - but he married Elizabeth Quick in 1790 and was buried at Towednack in 1839 age 73. Well - we have some sort of reference point to work on now.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 20, 2008 22:02:18 GMT -5
I little more to add on the family of the mysterious James and Jane but thought it less confusing to create a separate note. I discovered last night that I actually do have just a little more information on this family. 24th July 1826 at St Ives Paul Quick, joiner, married Hannah Richards This has to be the son of James and Jane and, therefore, brother of Robert. I have four children recorded for Paul and Hannah all at St Ives:- Hannah Richards Quick bp. 7th June 1827 bu. 10th June 1827 William Richards Quick bp. 3rd September 1828 James Quick bp. 15th April 1830 John Quick bp. 7th February 1832 Next step now will be to see if I can locate any of these in the later Census records. Will leave that until I have had a few hours sleep.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2008 5:15:35 GMT -5
I had a quick look at the census data and I could not find this family at all.
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Post by myghaelangof on May 21, 2008 14:55:31 GMT -5
I felt in need of some light entertainment, as everyone else seems to be watching football tonight. Have looked for the family also on censii and come up with this possibility: 1841 Towednack: Elizabeth QUICK 71 Ind. Robert QUICK miner 45 Wilmot 14, William 13, James 11, John 9, Paul 7, Matthew 5, Richard 3 and Elizabeth 1. I found it rather coincidental that the ages of William, James, and John, all tie in quite well with the baptisms credited to Paul and Hannah QUICK. Admittedly we then have to account for what happened to Paul and Hannah, and where the other children fit in? Mike Thought?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 22, 2008 9:58:04 GMT -5
Mike - I believe the family you have shown as being that of the Robert Quick who married Catherine Trewhella at Towednack in 1822.
This is to be the subject of another of my Quick problems and I know that some of the ages given here do not quite match with other data I have. However, I am still sure that this is the family.
There was another Robert Quick at Towednack who married Catherine Stevens in 1828 and that caused a few problems but I also have them in the Census and will outline more once I get that posting organised.
Now, for Lannanta and Mike.
Robert Quick, s/o the mysterious James and Jane does appear in the 1841 Census although I cannot find any sign of his siblings.
In 1841 at St Ives
Tregunna Place
Robert Quick, 40, joiner Mary do., 38 Elizabeth Pryor, 18
1851 Wolverhampton
Little Lane
Robert Quick, head, mar, 51, joiner, Cornwall Martha do., wife, mar, 38, Cornwall Martha Pearce do., daur, 6, Cornwall Mary Jane do., daur, 4, Manchester
1861 St Ives
St Andrews St
Robert Quick, head, mar, 62, master joiner, St ives Martha do., wife, 45, Lelant Martha Pearce do., daur, 16, St Ives Mary J do., daur, 14, Manchester, Lancs.
1871 St Ives
St Andrews St
Martha Quick, head, wid., 55, Innkeeper (licenced), Lelant
I believe Robert died September Qtr 1863.
He was married twice but I can find no record of any children to the first marriage.
Ian
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2009 1:55:40 GMT -5
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I would like to reopen this debate from some time ago as the family is quite an important one to put into its slot.
Maybe I could make a few statements as the basis of my thoughts. First I think that the most likely candidate for James is the one quoted above, baptised in 1860.
Secondly;
The most likely burial for James is the one dated 26 June 1812 and for Jane 7 May 1835.
Finally, one out of left field, a good possibility for the marriage;
So, I think that the birth is James, son of James and Mary simply because the names fit and the date almost fits.
The death we have talked about before. The obligation states that James, a joiner, died on the 24th June 1814, probably buried a couple of days later. The next of kin was his son, Robert, a joiner. The obligation was dated 24th June 1835, a month or so after the burial of a Jane Quick, aged 71 years. The issue here is of course the date of the death of James - 1812 v 1814. I explain this with two options, the transcriber has got it wrong, or the legal people got it wrong 20 plus years after the event.
Finally the marriage. It is a long shot but what was son Robert doing in Lancashire when his daughter Mary Jane was born? What an odd place to go to from Cornwall unless you knew somebody there - relations perhaps?
It would be nice if Cornishmaid had the chance/time to check that burial entry for me with the original.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 2, 2009 8:41:36 GMT -5
Lannanta - please re-iterate all this in PM and/or email for me as I do not have the time right now to deal with it.
You have injected some interesting points/informtion here that needs checking and I am keen to get on to it to solve that particular mystery.
A PM to come.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 4, 2009 4:11:19 GMT -5
There is certainly something to your hypothesis here. The senior James was also a 'joiner' which makes some sense. But I have two problems to be considered. First - If you were to be correct then it most definitely agrees with my earlier thoughts regarding the James QUICK who married Susannah LEE at Maker in 1800. Second - A search of IGI for QUICKs born in Lancashire produces 200+ from as early as at least 1642. Be nice to find something more to work with but happy to follow this line of thinking with you. CT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 16:32:03 GMT -5
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Do you know who these two people are? Is it actually a mistake and is Martha actually PEARCE?
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 19, 2009 7:37:00 GMT -5
According to the Lelant Online Parish Registers this is Martha PEARCE.
FreeBMD also shows her as Martha PEARCE.
Lelant OPRs
30 April 1844 Robert Quick widower full age joiner St Ives (father: James Quick, joiner) Martha Pearce full age servant Uny Lelant (father:James Pearce, miner) Witnesses: James Pearce, Richard Wall
I have Martha bp. 26th December 1813 at Lelant d/o James and Mary PEARCE.
Robert, I believe, was the son of the mysterious James and Jane and was baptised 21st July 1799 at St Ives.
Robert first married Mary SANDOW at St Ives 18th July 1824.
Mary died 28th September 1843 at St Ives "age 41, wife of Mr Robert Quick'. (West Briton).
I have no children to this marriage but there were two daughters from the marriage to Martha PEARCE.
Martha Pearce QUICK born St Ives about 1844 married David RUSSELL 28th December 1862 at St Ives with Robert QUICK as one of the witnesses.
Mary Jane QUICK born Manchester, Lancashire about 1847 according to the 1861 Census.
That is about all I know on the family at the moment.
CT
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Post by newlyn on Mar 19, 2009 15:44:37 GMT -5
Martha Pearce could be the daughter of James Pearce and Mary Edwards who married 26.10.1810 Lelant.
There was a James Pearce b. 27.10.1790 St Ives whose parents were William Pearce and Martha ?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 19, 2009 19:27:56 GMT -5
Would have to be considered a possibility so I will try and have a look at it a little later today - thanks Newlyn.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 19, 2009 19:45:06 GMT -5
Okay Newlyn - I reckon you have the right marriage but I doubt the baptism will be correct.
First child I can find to James and Mary at Lelant is Amy Edwards Pearce bp. 27th September 1812.
There is also a Wilmot Edwards baptised to them 12th November 1819.
Checking the 1841 Census and there appear to be only three Marthas who could have married Robert Quick.
Of the three the one at St Austell and the one at Ludgvan are both married and the husband of both is John.
That leaves Martha at Illogan.
Mary PEARCE, 60, Ind Martha do., 25, school mistress Jane do., 20, dresser of copper ore Elizabeth do., 16, do. do. James do., 12
I have not found baptisms for Jane and Elizabeth as yet.
There are two James baptised to James and Mary at Lelant but they are in 1822 and 1824 which is just a few years early to be the one in the Census.
No guarantee that the above is right as I have only done a short/sharp search but it certainly looks promising.
CT
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