Quick Problem No.1

[Cornish Terrier]

I have been promising a couple of Quick problems to play with and here is the first.

The beginning of this problem can be found under the 'James Quick' thread in this section and was actually started by Lannanta with discussion on three different James Quicks.

This problem deals with the 3rd of those mentioned by Lannanta.

I am asking you all to take a look at this and offer what you can and it will involve some more lookups I am afraid.

James QUICK was married to someone named Jane sometime before 1790.

This marriage does not appear in Phillimore for St Ives and also cannot be found in IGI.

I have searched every Parish West of the Hayle along with Germoe, St Hilary, St Erth, Phillack, Camborne, Gwithian, Gwinear and Breage.

Thus we encounter our first problem.

James and Jane had five children (that I know of) and each was baptised at St Ives (IGI)

Jane bp. 13th January 1790
James bp. 3rd April 1796
Robert bp. 21st July 1799
Paul bp. 26th December 1802
John bp. 14th April 1805

There are sufficient gaps here for the possibility of other children.

However, of the five above I have found further information about only Robert.

30 April 1844 at Lelant
Robert Quick widower full age joiner St Ives (father: James Quick, joiner)
Martha Pearce full age servant Uny Lelant (father:James Pearce, miner)
Witnesses: James Pearce, Richard Wall

We know from this that Robert was previously married but, at this stage, we do not know to whom and we do not know of any children.

Now for the Census.

1841 St Ives

Tregenna Place

Robert Quick, 40, joiner
MARY do., 38
Elizabeth Pryor, 18

So Robert was married to someone named Mary.

There is only one possible Death reference for Mary in FreeBMD.

Mary Quick - Penzance R.D. Sept. Qtr 1843 vol. 9 page 115

1851 Census

Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

Little Lane

Robert Quick, head, mar, 51, joiner, Cornwall
Martha do., wife, mar, 38, Cornwall
Martha Pearce do., daur, 6, Cornwall
Mary Jane do., daur, 4, Manchester

1861 Census

St Ives - St Andrews St

Robert Quick, head, mar, 62, master joiner, St Ives
Martha do., wife, mar, 45, joiner's wife, Lelant
Martha P do., daur, unm., 16, St Ives
Mary J do., daur, unm., 14, Lancashire, Manchester

1871 Census

St Ives - St Andrews St

Martha Quick, head, wid., 55, Innkeeper (licensed), Uny Lelant

We now know that Robert died sometime prior to the 1871 Census and a check of 1881 shows no sign of Martha.

In FreeBMD there is only one Death record for a Robert Quick in the Penzance R.D. between 1860 and 1871.

Robert Quick - Penzance R.D. Sept. Qtr 1863 vol.5c page 225

I cannot find a Death record for Martha in the Penzance area so it is possible she remarried or, possibly, left the County.

The last item I think I have to add here:-

28 Dec 1862 by Licence at St Ives
David Russell 24 bachelor Engineer of Santander in Spain (Father: John Russell, Farmer)
Martha Pearce Quick 19 spinster of St. Ives (Father: Robert Quick, Joiner)
Witnesses: Robert Quick, Sarah Paynter

No further information so far on the younger daughter Mary Jane.

Well - I think that is about all I know about this family and it is frustrating.

Anyone with anything at all to offer on this will be most welcome.

I think the required lookups are obvious so I will not list them again here but rather let anyone who is able to do so see what they can find.

Thoughts and comments welcome.

CT

[cornishmaid]

Well, I can find no marriage in Cornwall of a James Quick and a Jane You've got me baffled there

Will check out Robert tomorrow

[Cornish Terrier]

Well, that's two of us in the same boat already. We better be careful not to get too many passengers or we may sink.

We shall keep searching and an answer will turn up I am sure.

[cornishmaid]

Having come to a standstill with James Quick and Jane unknown, I had a look for Robert's first marriage to a Mary. The only one I can find is:

St Ives - 18 July 1824 - Robert Quick & Mary Landow

From your reference to the death of Mary Quick in September Quarter 1843, I had a look at the West Briton for a possible mention.

Friday 6 October 1843 edition - Deaths - At St. Ives, on the 28th ultimo, the infant son of Capt. G. Anthony, of the schooner "Reward," aged 3 years; the wife of Mr. Thomas QUICK, aged 30 years; and the WIFE OF MR ROBERT QUICK, AGED 41 YEARS.

So far so good as regards Mary's age; the 1841 census details you supplied would fit, as would the above marriage of Robert Quick and Mary Landow.

However, I think that this should be Mary "Sandow" not Landow. A Mary Sandow was baptised in St Ives on 10 October 1802, daughter of William & Candace.

[Cornish Terrier]

Very good work.

I agree that 'Landow' should probably be 'Sandow' especially given the baptism in 1802 of Mary Sandow.

I wonder if the Elizabeth Landow who married William Quick at Lelant in 1827 should also be Sandow???

The Sandow name has actually been appearing quite a bit these last few days.

Next problem - who the heck is "the wife of Mr. Thomas QUICK, aged 30 years".

Thanks yet again (but when you see your PM I think I might be fortunate that we are not next door neighbours. )

[Cornish Terrier]

I now have three Sandow girls married to Quicks.

Mary's sister Susannah married Nathaniel Williams Quick at St Ives 26th February 1828. (He was son of Gabriel and Jane Quick.)

And then Elizabeth d/o John and Mary (Stevens) Sandow married William Quick at Lelant 3rd April 1827. (I was s/o William and Catherine (Osborn) Quick.

Next step here is to see if John and William Sandow were possibly brothers.

But I have another Quick problem to sort out first.

[cornishmaid]

Noooooooo !! I knew you would pick up on that other death in 1843. Was in two minds whether to mention it ;D

There was an Elizabeth Quick's death registered in September 1843, along with Mary's.

Right, better have a look at these pm's eh

[cornishmaid]

Just been trying to find the elusive James Quick and his marriage to Jane.

06 NOV 1785 James Quick married Jane Parsons
Black Torrington, Devon, England

I can find no other James Quicks in the world marrying another Jane at the right time (Of course I'm not known for exaggerating!! )

Does anyone have access to the Torrington PRs so check if this is a viable option?

[Cornish Terrier]

And then there is:-

James QUICK m. Jean BENNETT
23rd April 1783
Sampford Peverell, Devon, England

James QUICK m. Jane RICHARDSON
6th August 1786
Saint Peter Church Street,
Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Just got those, as well as the one already supplied, from IGI.

Also:-

James s/o William & Peternella Quick bp. 25th September 1761 at Sampford Peverell, Devon

James s/o James & Susanna Quick bp. 25th February 1761 at Black Torrington, Devon

I guess the next step on this is to see if I can find any children from any of these marriages in, or near, the areas where the marriages occurred.

There is only one baptism at Black Torrington for James and Jane:-

William Quick bp. 18th April 1786

From 1790=1808 there are several children baptised to James and Jane Quick at St James, Liverpool.

There are none at St Peter, Liverpool.

So where does that leave us.

We need to see a copy of Phillimore & Taylor and hope further information is recorded or else find someone who can view the original Parish Registers and tell us what they hold.

[cornishmaid]

Well the Black Torrington baptism of William, son of James Quick and Jane, would fit in quite nicely if James Quick were the son of William and Catherine baptised 7 July 1753. But that would mean James would have been 53 by the time his last child John was baptised in 1805.

We definitely need to see if more about James Quick is recorded in Phillimores or the Parish Registers.

[cornishmaid]

Just found a website where it states that both James Quick and Jane Parsons were born at Black Torrington. Seems to be a lot of Quicks up there.

Back to the drawing board

Need to check out those other Quicks you mentioned as well CT.

[Cornish Terrier]

It would seem we may be 'chasing our tail' a bit with James and Jane and especially the possible marriages in Devon.

A look through IGI shows that Quicks were rampant in Devon way back into the 1600s.

Another approach would be to search for possible burials for James and Jane, most likely at St Ives, and see if we can gain some clues there.

May be worth checking on burials for their other children also - Jane, James, Paul and John.

One last experiment before closing - let's see what potential James Quicks are available to have been the man we are seeking.

Using IGI and using 1772 as the latest year of birth for James we have 61 records available of which some will be duplicates.

As James was married sometime probably not long before 1790 then he was more than likely born no earlier than about 1745 which would make him 60 at the baptism of his last known child.

Also, the names Robert and Paul indicate he was probably a Cornishman himself so I will eliminate baptisms outside Cornwall.

And IGI as Deaths recorded for some so they will also be ignored.

James bp. 6th September 1746 s/o James and Alice at St Ives.
Not mentioned in his mother's Will in 1787 and is presumably the father of the illegitimate Alice Quick May who was named in that Will so it is expected that he died before being able to marry Grace May. (c. 1780 when young Alice was baptised)

James bp. 26th December 1750 s/o James and Catherine at St Ives
He married Mary Quick at Zennor in 1778 and then possibly married Dinah Richards at Zennor in 1799.

James bp. 29th May 1751 s/o Richard & Ann at St Ives
No further information as yet but there is no Robert or Paul in this family.

James bp. 7th July 1753 s/o William & Catherine at St Ives
Again no further information and once again there is no Robert or Paul in the family.

James bp. 19th April 1755 s/o Thomas & Margaret at Gwennap
This family can be traced back to Gabriel Quick s/o James and Jane (nee Knight) at St Ives but were at Gwennap from at least 1674 when Gabriel married Mary Phillips.
Again no Robert or Paul in the family.

James bp. 11th February 1759 s/o Henry & Elizabeth at Ludgvan
Don't know about him but, as with the others, no Robert or Paul.

James bp. 16th March 1760 s/o James & Mary at Towednack
I currently show him as a 'Harbour Master' who married Susan Lee at Maker in 1800 but this information is to be confirmed as I have not personally seen Marriage information other than IGI or received anything else other than second hand research.
He apparently died at St Ives in 1812 and had two daughters Mary and Susannah.

James bp. 26th December 1761 s/o William & Jane at Breage
Again no Robert or Paul in the family but they can be traced back to the family of Anthony Quick of Zennor.

James bp. 7th September 1766 s/o Robert and Anne at Towednack
He is out - he married Elizabeth Quick at Towednack in 1790 and had 8 children of whom most are accounted for.

And there endeth the list.!

There are two Paul Quicks I know little about but who 'may' provide further clues.

Paul bp. 23rd November 1715 s/o Henry & Jane at Towednack
Paul bp. 5th March 1723 s/o Paul and Christian at St Ives

I am at a loss.

[Cornish Terrier]

Let me throw in a little hypothetical situation based on something I just found in my database.

I was looking for something else when I stumbled across what has now become the interesting family of James and Mary Quick.

James Quick bp. 26th December 1701 at Towednack, son of Paul and Jane.

James married Mary CURNOW at Towednack 5th December 1732 and they had eight children of whom shortly.

James Quick of Borallan in St Ives wrote his Will 17th November 1765 and it was proved 9th December that same year.
James was buried at St Ives 20th November 1765.

Children:-

JAMES bp. 26th November 1733
Mary bp. 28th December 1735
Andrew bp. 27th December 1737
Ann bp. 28th December 1739
Jane bp. 26th September 1742
PAUL bp. 31st December 1744
Israel bp. 21st April 1747
ROBERT bp. 31st December 1751

Mary married James Quick at Towednack 7th May 1759 and had two children - James (1760) and Paul (1762)
She died sometime between the end of 1765 and August 1771 when James remarried to Martha Stevens at Zennor.

Andrew married Mary Major at St Ives 27th May 1764 and had four children.
Amdrew Quick of Borallan left a Will in 1806 although I do not think I have seen details of it.

Ann married Richard Baragwanath at St Ives 3rd February 1772 and had six children.
Ann was buried at Towednack 3rd March 1794.

Jane, although her father probably did not expect her to live, married Paul Quick at St Ives 28th December 1773 and she was buried at Towednack 26th October 1820.
She had seven children amongst whom was Paul who married Ann Baragwanath daughter of Jane's sister Ann.

Paul married Elizabeth Quick at St Ives 27th January 1772 and had two children.

Israel married Mary Stevens at Towednack 5th January 1775 and was buried at St Ives 11th April 1821.
He and Mary had five children.

Robert married Mary Thomas at St Hilary 13th July 1774 and was buried at St Ives 24th January 1780 after having four children.

First thing to be noticed here is that JAMES is the only child of James and Mary without a spouse.

Perhaps another interesting point is that the youngest son, Robert, was a 'joiner'.

James Quick's Will

I will only mention the salient points here in an effort to shorten my theory.

Wife Mary receives all James' possessions etc. in Borallan.

Daughter Mary is named as wife of James Quick of Towednack and receives ten pounds to be paid her after ten years.

Daughters Ann and Jane are named as spinsters each receive ten pounds as above as well as their 'meat, drink, washing and lodging' during the said ten years after James' decease 'as they formely had in case they do not marry during the said term'
Should they continue unmarried they are to receive six milk cows (part of page torn) and then there is provision for part of Trevesia in Towednack for a term of ten years.

"WHEREAS my said daughter Jane some time since received hurt in her breast by a cow, I am fearfull it will be Attended with bad Consequence ..................."

Two sons Andrew and Paul receive all the Estate in Borallan share and share alike after ten years.

Sons Israel and Robert 'all that my Estate in Trevesia share and share alike afte ten years.

All the rest, remainder etc. was bequeath4ed to wife Mary and sons Andrew, Paul, Israel and Robert.

You will be asking WHAT HAPPENED TO JAMES?

Well I saved that to last.

After wife Mary the first bequest was to James - as follows:-

"I give and bequeath unto my son James Quick the Sum of one Guinea in Gold to be paid him by my Executors and Executrixes hereinafter named At the End of Twelve Months the next after my decease if the Same be demanded."

I think that is a most interesting point.

James was obviously still alive but, it seems, had alienated himself from his father and was, therefore, technically disinherited.

Now James is not going to be the man who married the mysterious Jane - he would have been about 57 then and would have been 70 when the last known child was baptised.

BUT is it possible that he did marry and have children, one of whom was our 'mystery man'.

Between 1740 and 1780 IGI records 37 marriages for James Quick.

Our James would be unlikely to have married before about 1751 and, allowing for the James who married Jane, must have married by about 1770.

This leaves us with the following:-

James Quick m. Susanna Quick 1st April 1752 at Highampton, Devon

James Quick m. Joan Vinnicombe 14th June 1752 at Butterleigh, Devon

James Quick m. Margaret Davey 31st October 1752 at Tiverton, Devon

James Quick m. Prudence Ellis 24th July 1757 at Lympstone, Devon

James Quick m. Ellen Farrer 3rd May 1757 at Saint Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire

James Quick m. Bridget Hawkings 1st May 1762 at Butterleigh, Devon

James Quick m. Ann Robarts 14th October 1767 at St Neot, Cornwall

We can probably discount this last marriage as their was a son named James but he was baptised 8th August 1773 which is perhaps a little late.

And we must remember that it is unlikely that all possible marriages have yet been included in IGI.

There is something to think about in any case. ;D

Any and all thoughts welcome on this one.

[cornishmaid]

Possible burials for James Quick at St Ives:

4 April 1820, age 52 (born c.1768)
26 June 1812, age 54 (born c.1758)

Possible burials for Jane Quick at St Ives:

11 October 1826, age 60 (born c.1766)
7 May 1835, age 71 (born c.1764)
11 November 1804 (no age given, possibly daughter Jane, but with no other information at the moment can't be sure)

Can't find any possibles for Paul at St Ives, and only 1 for John, ie: 22 October 1810 (no age given).

There was another James Quick baptised to Andrew & Mary on 4 April 1773, which is just outside our timescale, but again no children in their family were called Robert, John or Paul.

[Cornish Terrier]

Thanks again m'dear - every little bit helps and I will try and identify this lot a little later.

Have heaps to catch up on at the moment and I keep getting behind.

Hasn't helped that my Internet connection has been up and down all night - almost two hours at one stage.

Did get some work done though and have identified a Trewhella connection via the Uren family to the Sandow, Quick, Hosking, Banfield etc. lines at Lelant.

BTW - William Quick m. Elizabeth Sandow.

Remember that her name appeared as 'Landow' in the Marriage Record.
I am pretty sure she was the daughter of John Sandow and Mary (nee Stevens).

But she died in Australia and her maiden name was given as 'Landow'.

Well - back to work while I decide what to cook to keep the boiler stoked.