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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2008 23:18:49 GMT -5
I am working with the family of William Quick and Mary Richards (married in Gwennap in 1765). They had at least 11 children in Gwennap that I am aware of.
However, I cannot place where William belongs. I am assuming that he was born around 1740 or so but I do not seem to have a suitable candidate.
Does anybody have this William in their notes?
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 25, 2008 1:32:43 GMT -5
William was buried at Gwennap 2nd December 1816 'age 79, of St Day'. Son Francis buried at Gwennap 3rd May 1818 'age 53, of St Day'. Son William buried at Gwennap 7th March 1822 'age 49, of St Day'. IGI shows something 'interesting' (more like damned stupid). William QUICK Birth 22JAN1834 Breage, Cornwall, England Marriages Mary RICHARDS 04MAY1765 Berkeley Springs, Morgan, West Virginia William QUICK Birth 22JAN1834 Breage, Cornwall, England Father: John QUICK Mother: Elizabeth AUSTIAN William QUICK Christening: 22JAN1834 Breage, Cornwall, England Father: John QUICK Mother: Eliz. Don't believe a word of any of this as we are now certain that this particular William married Jane STRICK. I think we need to be looking at families which include Francis, Gabriel and Ambrose. Will take a bit of a look at that in a little while.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2008 4:09:47 GMT -5
Hi Ian
Yes I definitely agree with you - we should be looking at a family with Francis, Ambrose etc.
I note that the first children were named Francis and Elizabeth so I would be thinking of maybe grandparents with these names??
Allen
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2008 4:20:20 GMT -5
To be perfectly honest I am struggling to see past James and his second wife Ann Bray as the most likely parents
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 10, 2008 0:55:14 GMT -5
Allen - found these in the A2A Catalogue and thought you might find them interesting. Especially the reference to Ann wife of Francis Quick of Gwithian. Records of the Archdeaconry Court Citations FILE [no title] - ref. ARD/156/611 - date: 1766 [from Scope and Content] QUICK, Mary (wid. of Benedick), St. Ives - account FILE [no title] - ref. ARD/156/648 - date: 1755 [from Scope and Content] QUICK, Ann (wife of Francis), Gwithian - testamentary FILE [no title] - ref. ARD/156/679 - date: 1755 [from Scope and Content] QUICK, Ann (wife of Francis), Gwithian - testamentary FILE [no title] - ref. ARD/156/971 - date: 1776 [from Scope and Content] QUICK, Edward, Ludgvan - testamentary FILE [no title] - ref. ARD/156/983 - date: 1776 [from Scope and Content] QUICK, James et al., Ludgvan - testamentary FILE [no title] - ref. ARD/156/1611 - date: 1800 [from Scope and Content] PEARCE, Amy and QUICK, John, Lelant - testamentary Excommunications FILE [no title] - ref. ARD/160/116 - date: 4th January 1730 [from Scope and Content] Elizabeth Quick, St. Hilary, fornication FILE [no title] - ref. ARD/160/119 - date: 18th February 1730 [from Scope and Content] Elizabeth Quick, St. Hilary, absolution Testamentary causes FILE [no title] - ref. ARD/166/207/1,2 - date: 1830 [from Scope and Content] Ann Polmear and Wm. Polmear v. Margaret Quick FILE [no title] - ref. ARD/166/221/1,2 - date: 1841 [from Scope and Content] William QUICK of Towednack [from Scope and Content] Wm. Quick and Paul Quick v. James Quick and Rob. Quick.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2009 22:17:37 GMT -5
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Just to drag you away from your other pursuits for a moment.
With respect to the son Francis mentioned above, was he the husband of Frances nee WILLIAMS and therefore the father of a number of children, or was the husband of Frances WILLIAMS his cousin Francis, bap 1762 at Gwennap, the son of Thomas QUICK and Margaret nee HALLS?
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 7, 2009 5:18:43 GMT -5
In answer to your question regarding which Francis married Frances WILLIAMS the answer is that I am not sure at the moment. I currently only have one child for Francis and Frances and that is James bp. 9th January 1791 at Kenwyn. William m. Mary RICHARDS - your thoughts regarding him possibly a son of James QUICK and Ann BRAY are interesting. William and Mary did name two sons James -albeit late - so that is a possible indication. However I have no record of a son William to that family. The names Francis and Ambrose are certainly there and must be considered a pointer. BTW - I notice in your list that you refer to son QUICK Wills of Gwennap. (Francis 1743, Francis 1796) Is there anything in these that might help with the family? I would be interestd in the details of them anyway is I do not believe I have seen either of them. HMMMM!!! Just found something interesting in the 'dreaded' IGI:- User-submitted entryIGI Individual Record FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Print -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Quick Pedigree Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 22 JUL 1738 Gwennap, Cornwall, England Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: James Quick Family Mother: Ann Bray Unfortunately the OPC has not yet transcribed Baptisms prior to 1773 so this cannot immediately be verified. However, allowing for the possibility it might be correct, this certainly adds some substance to your thoughts on the origins of William! Also interesting is the marriage of Gabriel QUICK to Mary DINGLE at Kenwyn 1st January 1731. There are no children recorded at Kenwyn for this family - at least not in IGI - and the marriage is not in IGI either. (I found it in Phillimore.) This Gabriel is either the son of William and Elizabeth (bp. 1699 St Ives) or the son of James and Margaret (bp. 1709 Gwennap). And on the subject of Gabriel. Gabriel QUICK m. Elizabeth MOULD 15th November 1761 at Ludgvan. Based on the baptism of the last child I have determined that Elizabeth was probably born no earlier than 1730 in which case the only possible baptism in Cornwall (from IGI) is:- Elizabeth d/o Jno and Elizth MOULD bp. 7th April 1742 at FOWEY With the only children I know of bp. 1763, 1767 and 1778 at Ludgvan and St Ives it might be worth checking further up country in case there may be more. Will take a further look at the Francis/Frances situation and see if I can find anything further to determine which Francis it is. Meantime - we may have the answer to the identity of William anyway. CT I will update my database with this information but with a cautionary note added.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2009 17:21:07 GMT -5
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I have seven: James, M, Bap 9/1/1791, Kenwyn, Francis & Frances, IGI Rebecca, F, Bap 22/7/1792, Gwennap, Francis & Frances, OPC records Mary, F, Bap 23/9/1798, Gwennap, Francis & Frances, OPC records Frances, F, Bap 19/10/1800, Gwennap, Francis & Frances, OPC records Elizabeth, F, Bap14/11/1804, Gwennap, Francis & Frances, OPC records Susanna, F, Bap 13/4/1810, Gwennap, Francis & Frances, OPC records Francis, M, Bap 23/9/1813, Gwennap, Francis & Frances, OPC records.
Given the gap between the 2nd and 3rd children there could be more?
The following extract from the 1795 will of Francis Quick shows that brother William did exist:
The Francis of 1743 died intestate. The will, or rather inventory, deals with the following:
The remainder of the document confirms his siblings, in particular the sworn statement of his sister Judeth i.e.
Lannanta
PS copies of the wills may arrive at any time.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 8, 2009 7:36:43 GMT -5
Thanks once again Lannanta - will review this information and see what more I can glean from it.
At least we now know that Judith, James, Beaton and Jane were still alive in 1743 with Judith at Marazion.
And I think it is now certain where William fits in. ;D
I have also been taking a bit of a look at the JONES family and may have identified a baptism for Edward JONES the father of Jane who married Thomas QUICK around 1695 and with family at Morvah, Gulval, Ludgvan and Madron.
Will do some more work on it and maybe add another thread. (Or at least update an already relevant thread.)
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 8, 2009 7:49:17 GMT -5
So Gabriel son of brother Thomas will probably be the Gabriel QUICK who married Frances BRAY at Gwennap 28th August 1779.
Okay - I am going to have another brief trawl through the Gwennap PRs and piece together a little more of this lot before moving on to other things.
CT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 13:17:43 GMT -5
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I have been able to find a home for most of the BDM entries that I have for Gwennap. As before it is the two Francis entries that I cannot distinguish.
I have Francis, son of Thomas QUICK and Margaret HALLS as being baptised in 1762 and buried in 1832.
The other Francis, son of William QUICK and Mary RICHARDS, as being baptised in 1765 and buried in 1818.
One of these two mentioned above married Frances WILLIAMS and I have been unable to find any evidence to suggest which one it was. There is nothing in the naming of the children of Francis and Frances that gives the game away - no Thomas, William, or Margaret - just a Mary.
I cannot imagine waht snippet of information there is out there that would help.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 8, 2009 13:44:35 GMT -5
Lannanta - I am still working on it. Have now been through all the baptisms and have 4 that I am not sure of. Samuel s/o Samuel and Jane bp. 1803 Aurelia Hervey Quick base d/o James bp. 1809 James base son of Susan bp. 1832 (prob. d/o Francis and Frances) And the really interesting one - Richard Henry s/o James and Ann bp. 1824 At this moment it would seem this is a one-off event although I do not have data for Kenwyn and possibly a couple of other Parishes that might be involved. However it is interesting that this entry would fit neatly into the family of James QUICK and Ann CURNOW of Gulval/Madron. Only a thought!! Have also worked my way through the marriages and have a long list to sort out - mainly females but there are two males involved:- Thomas m. Catherine Williams in 1794 James m. Xtian Andrew in 1833 Next step will be to work right through the burials again. Once that is done I can take another good look at the whole scenario and see where we stand. CT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 15:08:25 GMT -5
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They had a son Richard Curnow QUICK (bap 1818) who was still alive in the 1851 census - two sons named Richard would be unusual?
There was a family at Kea, Samuel and Eleanor, who had a number of children including Ann and Paul. Samuel died in Kenwyn so I am guessing that Samuel and Jane had something to do with this family. I have started a little Kea file and have put them there at this stage anyway. I am working out how to get access to the Kea and Kenwyn parish registers.
I have that Thomas QUICK (bap 1758), husband of Catherine WILLIAMS, was the son of Thomas QUICK and Margaret HALLS.
I have that James QUICK (bap 1810), husband of Christian ANDREW, was the son of Ambrose QUICK and Jane ROBERTS.
I also agree that Gabriel, son of Thomas QUICK and Margaret HALLS, married Frances BRAY in 1779. I do not have a baptism for Gabriel, rather only the reference in the will of Francis, his uncle.
Lannanta
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 8, 2009 16:06:11 GMT -5
Morning Lannanta. (I am almost ready to head off to bed for a few hours.) Richard Henry s/o James and Ann - that was a little tongue-in-cheek but the scenario does fit. However I had not yet checked on Richard Curnow QUICK so ... Samuel and Jane - yes, I think Kea/Kenwyn is quite likely but, like you, am having trouble accessing the records for baptism and burial. I do have the Phillimore marriages for both though. Thomas and James should be okay as part of my next process was to check the Census records for them. I merely mentioned them at this stage as they were the two remaining males from the Marriage records that I needed to properly identify. Gabriel - he was buried 17th March 1813 at Gwennap - age 61 of St Day so he was born about 1751. (But where???) The Big One - Francis and Frances. I still do not know which of the two married Frances WILLIAMS but I do have a slight problem with the whole scenario! Francis, apart from identifying just which one, is not so much of a problem on his own. But Frances WILLIAMS is a problem and combined with her husband they both become a problem. This is because of the burials. There is a burial 10th July 1829 for Fanny QUICK age 70 of St Day From what I can see this almost has to be the wife of Francis QUICK - i.e. Frances WILLIAMS. The problem now is that she was born about 1759 which would have made her about 52 when the last child was baptised!! There seems to be no other Frances that this could be. Will leave you to think on that one! CT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 17:58:43 GMT -5
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I probably need to think a bit more but why can it not be Frances BRAY?
Given that the marriage of Francis and Frances was at Kenwyn, she may well be buried there?
Just a few thoughts
Lannanta
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