Hmmm .... I don't suppose anyone has access to the burial register or a transcription of it and can tell us whereabouts in Towednack this Phillis was at the time of her death in 1832? That might help identify her more clearly.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 24, 2008 11:22:57 GMT -5
Thanks Crida - this may well help solve the problem.
1841 Census - Towednack Amalveor,1,John Curnow,35,,Tin Miner,In county, ,,Peggy Curnow,,30,,In county, ,,Phillis Curnow,,12,,In county, ,,Peggy Curnow,,5,,In county, ,,Ann Curnow,,3,,In county, ,,John Curnow,5m,,,In county,
This family is still at Amalveor in 1851 and John is aged 46. Phillis is not enumerated with the family but there are three other children - Sampson (7), William (5) and Sarah (3).
All members of the family were born at Towednack except John's wife Peggy who was born at St Just.
Working from the 1841 Census.
Daughter Phillis would have been born about 1828 but there appears to be no baptism for her at Towednack and none appearing in the IGI.
However, there is a gap of seven years between Phillis and the next child, Peggy, who was born about 1835/6 and this suggests to me the possibility of multiple marriages being involved.
Here is a list of children baptised to John and Peggy at Towednack up until 1840.
Samson bp. 26th April 1835 Peggy bp. 26th February 1837 Anne bp. 23rd January 1839
Samson appears to have died prior to the 1841 Census and was replaced afterwards by the child appearing in 1851.
This baptism (1835) is the earliest I can find for a child of John and Peggy and occurs about three years after the burial of the Phillis who is the subject of this thread.
As mentioned in a previous post there was an Anne baptised to John and Phillis Curnow 20th March 1832 with she being the only child found to that couple.
I would suggest that Anne also died prior to 1841.
I would also suggest that the 12-year-old Phillis in 1841 was also the daughter of John and Phillis. (But where was she baptised?)
This means that Peggy was probably John Curnow's second wife.
In all events here John was a miner and in both 1841 and 1851 he was at Amalveor.
Have just found something in my database that throws a spanner in the works.
I was about to comment on the fact that John named two sons Sampson. Checked for Sampson Curnows and found that Sampson and Alice Curnow (m. 1799 Zennor) had a son named John baptised at Towednack 12th August 1804. Of course I got all excited until I found that this John had been married twice:-
John m. Elizabeth CHAPEL at Gulval 14th May 1825 John m. Peggy Bennets NANKERVIS at Towednack 19th October 1833
And there is the spanner!
However - No burial has been found for Elizabeth which is most interesting.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
Elizabeth was daughter of Peter and PHILLIS Chapple and was baptised at Madron 30th November 1806.
The PHILLIS in the 1841 Census with John and Peggy is now most likely to be Phillis Chapel Curnow who was baptised at Towednack 13th March 1830 d/o John and Elizabeth.
Let's look at the possibility that, for some reason, either an error has occurred in the Parish Register or that Elizabeth somehow suddenly became known as Phillis.
If we work on a time-line then all the data (apart from the name Phillis) fits neatly.
My suggestion now is that the burial of Phillis Curnow at Towednack in 1832 is actually that of the elusive Elizabeth (nee Chaple) and that Anne bp. 1832 was her child.
Given all evidence to hand, including Census records, I doubt we will find another Phillis who was married to a John Curnow in the relevant time-frame.
I would be almost willing to bet that this is the solution.
Checked the burials this morning. The entry for Phillis is very difficult to read but abode seemed to be Amalveor Towednack. Does this help? Crida
Thank you very much Crida. ;D
In posting last week I was anticipating that the abode would indeed be "Amalveor", which is the name of a hamlet in Towednack, and I was just holding back until I got confirmation that it was Amalveor before coming out with a proposal to the forum that the reference to Amalveor was indicative that there was a mistake in the given name of the deceased and that the burial in question was actually that of ELIZABETH Curnow nee Chapel, first wife of John Curnow of Amalveor, John being the son of Sampson Curnow of Amalveor and his wife Alice..
An extensive search I did in the Penwith area had failed to find any burial record for Elizabeth, and yet we knew that she had a daughter -- a Phillis -- christened in March 1830 and that John Curnow her husband remarried to Peggy Bennets Nankervis in late 1833 and he is shown as a widower in that marriage record, hence Elizabeth must have died in the intervening time.
After failing to find any burial for Elizabeth it occured to me that perhaps the reason for this was because there had been a mistake in the given name in the burial record, and so I went back over the records for Towednack as well as those for the neighbouring parishes for any female Curnow burials in the right time frame and with the right age. "Phillis" aged 25 in 1832 fits the bill as earlier research I did had ascertained that Elizabeth was the Elizabeth daughter of Peter Chapple that was christened in Madron in 1806. It was also the only burial that I found that did fit the bill.
As Cornish Terrier has noted, Elizabeth's mother was also named Phillis, and I can add that the mother was still living at that time, so maybe that was a factor as well in the mistake being made in the Towednack record.
A long-lost piece of a jigsaw puzzle has been found.
Last Edit: Apr 26, 2008 2:27:03 GMT -5 by trencrom
Cornish Terrier's mention of a christening of an Anne Curnow, daughter of John and "Phillis" Curnow, is interesting, especially as I see that this Anne was christened on the same day that the 25 year old "Phillis" was buried.
The christening records are similar to the burial records in giving the "abode" , aren't they? If so, could I ask for a check on Anne's christening record to confirm that this is indeed another Amalveor record?
If Anne's mother was actually Elizabeth, then the two events taking place on the same day will explain why the mistake was made twice in the records. It is starting to look very much as if Elizabeth must have died in childbirth with her fourth child.
Last Edit: Apr 26, 2008 2:30:23 GMT -5 by trencrom
Hi trencrom I will check the baptism for Anne and will also look for a burial for her. She does not appear to have died after civil registration began. I wonder if Elizabeth had the second name of Phillis? Anyway will get back to you on this hopefully on Tuesday! Crida