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Post by trencrom on Apr 27, 2008 22:26:36 GMT -5
Hi trencrom I will check the baptism for Anne and will also look for a burial for her. She does not appear to have died after civil registration began. I wonder if Elizabeth had the second name of Phillis? Anyway will get back to you on this hopefully on Tuesday! Crida Thanks very much for that crida. As far as I know Elizabeth did not have a second name. She is just called "Elizabeth" on every other primary record I have seen. I suspect confusion with either her mother's name or her daughter's. Possibly when the clerk asked for the name the family misunderstood the question in their distress at the tragedy of the mother's loss. (This is total speculation on my part I know!!!) What is instructive about this case, and hence worth bearing in mind, is that sometimes even primary records get it wrong. Trencrom |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 28, 2008 11:23:48 GMT -5
And I have a perfect example.  My long-elusive Francis Trewhella (who, it seems now, got a 7-year holiday in America courtesy HM Government) has always been, and still is, a problem. When I visited the CRO in 1994 I had the opportunity to search through all the relevant Parish Records. Ludgvan Parish Register - Burials 14th July 1747 Elizabeth d/o Francis Trewheela Ludgvan B.T.'s - Burials 14th July 1747 Francis Trewella |
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Post by crida on May 1, 2008 9:44:13 GMT -5
Hello trencrom
I have found Ann's baptism and burial for you.
On the baptism it states abode as Amalveor. Child of John and Phillis.
The burial is as follows
Ann Curnow Amalveor 4 November 1834 aged 2 years
Just a thought. Could John have been married 3 times? Could Phillis be his second wife after Elizabeth and before Peggy?
Crida
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Post by trencrom on May 1, 2008 22:55:46 GMT -5
Crida, once again thank you very much. You have confirmed what I suspected was the case.
To answer your question, I think it is unlikely that John married three times, as firstly there is no burial record to be found for Elizabeth in the even shorter time frame that we would then be looking at, and secondly there is no marriage record for John to a Phillis in that short time frame either. As "Phillis" was also the exact age as Elizabeth would have been when she --"Phillis" -- died, I am now satisfied that the two are actually one and the same person.
Thanks again for your help, much appreciated!
Trencrom
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 1, 2008 23:07:16 GMT -5
And thankyou again from me Crida.
Trencrom - I was awaiting your response before doing so myself.
What you have said basically echoes my own thoughts so I, too, will be satisfied that the puzzle is solved.
CT
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Post by crida on May 2, 2008 3:25:03 GMT -5
Hi trencrom and CT
Glad this puzzle is now sorted!
Crida
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Post by bonniebuster196 on Jan 27, 2012 19:41:05 GMT -5
Having just joined the site yesterday and read this thread can I suggest that Phillis is the daughter as someone suggested of Elizabeth Chapel & John Curnow who was also known as Phillpa who married James Harry and emigrated to Australia born in abt 1830. i found Phillis living with John & Peggy in the 1941 census.....
If I am telling you something you have already worked I apologize but just another theory......
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Post by trencrom on Jan 28, 2012 23:30:19 GMT -5
Having just joined the site yesterday and read this thread can I suggest that Phillis is the daughter as someone suggested of Elizabeth Chapel & John Curnow Not quite right. The Phillis of this thread is the mother of the Phillis/Phillipa that you refer to. Her real name was "Elizabeth" as you say, but she was called (wrongly) "Phillis" in the burial record, as the foregoing research has demonstrated. "Phillis" was also the name of Elizabeth's own mother. Phillis junior (the daughter of John Curnow and Elizabeth Chapple and wife of James Harry) was therefore named after her maternal grandmother. Trencrom |
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