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Post by tonymitch on Jul 3, 2008 18:43:14 GMT -5
Following on from the comments on the St Levan board, how's about some info on the Trezise input? I think I have found Margaret in St Just in the 1851 census (Folio 224/225 p 15 & 16) Margt Trezise (38) , James 17, John 15, Benjamin (Benoni? see St Levan Board) 11, Thomas 7, Hugh 8, Elizabeth 2 and Margaret Grenfell 16. But where is the father? Where was he in 1841? I couldn't find him on either census....He must have been home sometimes as evidenced by his six children. Tony M
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Post by londoner on Jul 4, 2008 5:06:15 GMT -5
Just to confuse things - and so's you dont get misled - there is another couple called James and Margaret Tresize at Sancreed and they has a son James b 1833/4 AND she was Margaret Grenfell - not Mitchell. the names of their later children dont tally, and their marriage is recorded at Sancreed so they are definitely a different couple. I guess James may have been "offshore" in '41 & '51. need to have a look at Channel Is as Margaret was there in '61.
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Post by tonymitch on Jul 4, 2008 19:07:22 GMT -5
My goodness these 'ancients' certainly knew their Old Testament. Benoni becomes Benjamin in Genesis....Benoni becomes Benjamin in the 1851 census. Why Benoni though? According to the Bible Jacob called his son this becacuse of the death of Rachel. Ben-oni = son of my sorrow. Margaret went on to have several more children so there was no death of either party. Ichabod was the name given to the Old Testament Prophet Eli's grandson which was born when Eli died and means 'where is the glory'. Both names given at the time of and indicating loss of dear one. Wonder if there was a death in the family about the time of his birth? Anyone any ideas? Two possibilities strike me...one is I have no death date for Margaret Mitchell nee Grenfell, Benoni's g-mother, or his cousin, interestingly named Rebecca (the original Ben-oni's g-mother) who was born about the same time as Benoni. Am I on to something or is this one of my ususal red herrings I always succed in fishing out of the pond? Tony M
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Post by londoner on Jul 6, 2008 11:18:16 GMT -5
Margaret Michell of Boscarne 14 May 1836 aged 66 I guess this is the one you were looking for?
Also I have found James Trezise and Margaret's two older children, with James' mother:
Bollowall,1,Margery Trezise,,60,Independent,In county, ,,John Trezise,30,,Miner,In county, ,,James Trezise,7,,,In county, ,,John Trezise,3,,,In county, ,,James Trezise,38,,Miner,In county,
Daughter Lavinia was staying with Aunt Grace Daniel at Madron:
Truren,1,Jno Daniel,30,,Farmer,In county, ,,Grace Daniel,,35,,In county, ,,John Tonkin,20,,M.S.,In county, ,,Elizth. Richards,,18,F.S.,In county, ,,Saml Jilbert,15,,M.S.,In county, ,,Lavinia Tresise,,11,Niece To G D,In county,
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Post by tonymitch on Jul 6, 2008 13:28:00 GMT -5
Thanks Londoner, just what I was looking for, but how's about this....I was wondering why Benoni, Iachabod, both names linked Biblically to death/tragedy. From the West Briton and Cornish Guardian March 1839..."Caution: A Separation having taken place between me, he undersigned James Trezise, and Margaret my wife. This is therefore to give Notice, that I will not be answerable for any debts she may contract after the date hereof...James Trezise St Just in Penwith. 5th March 1839". Benoni was baptized 20th December 1839, nine months later. Makes you wonder.....No guarantee that the James and Margaret who separated are the parents of Benoni and possibly no way of checking. BUT!! Coincidence? Against that 4 years later they manage to produce Thomas and then two more.
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Post by tonymitch on Dec 13, 2008 19:52:40 GMT -5
Not been active recently, but been reading the board and keeping in touch. Now for my latest problem (apart from re-wiring a garden house and trying to clad the ceiling). I seem to have aquired two Simon Mitchells....one Simon born 1830 son of James and Lavinia and another Simon born 1833 son of Simon and Joanna. OK so far BUT.........I have them both marrying Elizabeth Waters in 1854. Is there something wrong somewhere ?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 14, 2008 8:53:04 GMT -5
Welcome back Tony. I show the husband of Elizabeth Waters as having been the son of James and Lavinia. Can only find one of the two Simons in the 1851 Census (and what a drama that was) and he was indexed as 'Simeon' born about 1830. In 1861 Simon is at Chyancrow (I think that's it) with wife Elizabeth and about five kids - age given is 30. Can't find the other bloke there either at the moment and don't have him in my database at all. If you can give a little more information about him I will check it out and see what happened to him. CT
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Post by tonymitch on Dec 14, 2008 11:30:24 GMT -5
Thanks CT.
Think I've cracked it !!!!!
I have Simon (b 1808) s/o James Mitchell and Margaret Grenfell. He married Joanna Olds and they emigrated to Canada. They had a plethora of children (in Cornwall) including Simon (b 1833), Naomi, Alphred, Margaret Grenfell. But then they had another Simon (b 1846) so presumably Simon 1833 is now dead. Simon (No2) married Claira Allenby in Canada and there was at least one child Herbert and a descendent of this line is a Dave Mitchell with whom I have been in contact. Come to think of it, the last I heard from him I think he was emigrating to Oz!!!
On the other hand we have Simon (b 1830) s/o James and Lavinia, therfore first cousin to Simon, 1833 (son of Simon and Joanna) and this is the bloke who married Elizabeth Waters.
Phew....but there is another problem in the offing concerning Lavinia Tresise and Grace Daniel.
I'll try and resolve that one tonight and keep the board posted.
Tony M
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Post by tonymitch on Dec 14, 2008 14:10:05 GMT -5
OK...next probelm
Londoner on this board, back in July, (gosh is it so long ago?) has Lavinia Trezise aged 11 living with her paternal aunt Grace Daniel at Madron.
Who is Grace Daniel? I have absolutely no record of her and try as I might cannot find any reference to her. I have a Grace Daniel marrying Richard Oats beck in 1807, but that's another story.
I assume that I am looking for a Grace Trezise.....if it's Mitchell I'm lloking for I heven't got her either.
Tony M
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Post by londoner on Dec 15, 2008 4:37:33 GMT -5
Grace Tresize (1806) was the Daughter of John T & Margery Bennetts. She married John Daniel 1829 St Just. Her brother James Tresize married Margaret Grenfell Mitchell and was the father of Lavinia Margaret Mitchell Tresize (1830) and grandfather of Lavinia Gertrude Tresize (1878 d/o John Tresize and Catherine Hartigan in Australia) The other Grace Daniel m Richard Oats and their daughter Mary m James s/o Samuel Harvey Mitchell.
Sorry about the confusion in my PM was in a bit of a rush.
I have a little problem with Elizabeth Waters - in 1871 census she has three children Simon 11, James 9, Anne 7 BUT Simon Mitchell her husband, was buried at St Buryan age 32, 8th Dec 1862. So who was the father of Anne? Also her daughter Elizabeth has a son John Tregear Mitchell bp St Buryan 19 Jun 1878 - with his grandmother in 1881 age 3.
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Post by gandolf on Dec 15, 2008 7:09:58 GMT -5
Londoner, I would suggest that Anne's father was in fact Simon.
Remember that ages given at the census are usually based on past birthdays not upcoming (not consistant - but usual). Thus as Anne was 7 years old, she could have been born anytime between mid 1863 and late 1874.
It is not at all uncommon for a widow to have a baby up to 8 months or more after the death of her husband. Given that Simon died in December 1862, then I would suggest that the following birth some 4 - 6 months later is your Anne.
Births Jun 1863 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MITCHELL Annie Penzance 5c 396
She was most likely born either May or June 1863, making her around 7 years and 10 months at the time of the 1871 census.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 15, 2008 9:24:17 GMT -5
Agreed - the heading on the Census form actually asks for the 'age at last birthday' so if Ann was born at the start of 1863 then Simon was most likely her father. Here are the only births for Ann MITCHELL from the start of 1862 to the end of 1864 in the Penzance R.D. Births Jun 1863 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MITCHELL Annie Penzance 5c 396 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1864 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitchell Annie Margaret Penzance 5c 335 AND - there are NO recorded births under the name Ann MICHELL in the same period. I would suggest the June Qtr 1863 birth is the one you want and this fits in perfectly with what Gandolf has suggested. The 1871 Census would have been held in March so at her last birthday Ann would indeed have been 7. CT
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Post by londoner on Dec 15, 2008 10:58:21 GMT -5
I just knew you guys would sort it if I left the query before I went shopping. I had a feeling that she should be Simon's daughter.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 15, 2008 11:09:34 GMT -5
Service is our Specialty! ;D
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Post by tonymitch on Dec 16, 2008 20:33:34 GMT -5
Thanks folks but Londoner....can't find any record of Elizabeth (nee Waters) having a child Elizabeth, nor a subsequent marriage for any Elizabeth......I've tried searching 'Tregear' to no avail....but have found the death of poor little John Tregear Mitchell aged 5 in 1883. I know it's late but am I misssing something apart from sleep?
Also, can I check with you all, did Simon (1808) and Joanna Olds realy have 13 (repeat) thirteen children?
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