James Mi(t)chell of Boscarne

[londoner]

James Mitchell buried at St Buryan 17 Feb 1848 age 79

does anyone know any more about him? He was appointed guardian to Jonathan Humphreys the illegitimate son of Jonathan Humphreys of Sennen in his 1803 will.
He is described as Kinsman and William Mitchell of Raftra (St Levan) is described as brother-in-law.
Jonathan's wife was Anne Harvey (died 1804) so did either of the Mitchell brothers (no not from Eastenders!!) marry Anne's sister

One of those Buryan/Sennen/St Levan mixes confused by the marriages in 1819 of a William Mitchell to Mary Harvey and a James Mitchell to Lavinia Harvey - possible offspring of the Elder James & William but I can't prove this yet - any help gratefully received.

Jonathan junior went on to Marry Honor daughter of Robert Wallis but that's another story, discussed on the Wallis board.

[Cornish Terrier]

Have read and noted but will have to try and look into this after work tomorrow (and after, hopefully, moving some more belongings to my new abode).

[tonymitch]

Hello londoner. I am a descendent of James Mitchell of Boscarne. What do you want to know?
Tony M

[Cornish Terrier]

Welcome aboard Tony and I look forward to your assistance with some of these queries.

I am also interested in this family but more from the point of view of trying to sort out the families of the area in general.

Part of my reason for this comes back to a couple of specifics to do more with the Curnow and Trewhella families but we can look into those later.

Basically, though, the more family information I can gather from these areas the more chance I have of finding the links I need.

Apart from that, all this information enables me to help others also and gives me further clues and ideas to deal with other problems.

Any queries you have of your own just post them in an appropriate section and I will try to help you with them.

Look forward to your involvement.

Ian

[londoner]

Hi Tony,
what I would like to know is what the connection was between James Mitchell of Boscarne, William Mitchell of Raftra and Jonathan Humphreys of Sennen who named James as Kinsman in his will. I think that Jonathan's wife Anne may have been anne mitchell who married a William Harvey and was a widow when she married Jonathan but this is guesswork based on William being named as her brother in the will I got from CRO.
Anything that will shed light on this little puzzle gratefully received.
Thanks Lesley

[Cornish Terrier]

Lesley - I am not sure if you have supplied me with details of the Will mentioned in your last (confusion all over here due to my move) but I would appreciate a copy anyway if I may.

The Lavinia Harvey mentioned in previous posts married James Mitchell at St Buryan 11th September 1819 by Banns and with the consent of parents of both parties.

The witnesses were Jas. (illegible) Mitchell and Samuel Harvey.

On 18th March 1819 by Licence and consent of parents was the following marriage:-

William Mitchell, of St Levan, yeoman, and Mary Harvey, spinster of St Buryan.
Witnesses were James Richards and Mary WALLIS.

I think it reasonable to say that you are looking a little earlier than this (ref. 1803 Will) but some of this may be useful in tracking down the information you need.

Must get to bed as I have to do the 'beer run' today but will be back on line later tonight (meaning about 15 hours from now - I hope).

Ian

[tonymitch]

OK here goes. James Mitchell (b 1769) had 6 children; James (1739), Joseph (1801), William (1803), Thomas (1806), Simon (1808), and Margaret Grenfell (1812). Thomas seems to have married a Sarah Humphries (b 1813). The 1841 census lists a Thomas Mitchel aged 35 (note spelling) a carpenter, at Crowzanwra with wife Sarah aged 25, son Joseph aged 5, and Mother in Law Margaret Humphries aged 50. In 1871 census there is a Thomas Mitchell, of correct age, from St Buryan, living at Cambourne again with wife and Margaret Humphries who were reported to have been born in St Just. There is also a Thomas Mitchell, same age as my Thomas, listed as father of a "base child" Thomas (b 1825) mother Jane Karkeek.
In 1855 we have a John Humphries Mitchell born to Samuel (1819) who was the g-grandson of James (1769). Now here the thlot plickens as they say. Samuel (1819) married a Mary Ann (1822) from Sennen. Her surname is unknown but....they had a son John Humphries Mitchell. Could Mary Ann have been a Humphries before marriage? Giving a child the middle name of the g-gmother' maiden name is a bit of a tall order. It was usually mother's or g-mother's maiden name.
Names also to note are Wallis, Harvey and Rowe who appear occasionally in my history. My other main threads are Oats and Furze. Off now to put a cooling compress on my fevered brow. So many James Mitchells it gets confusing.

[Cornish Terrier]

Get one of those things ready for me too.

My fevered brow needs a rest from work, unpacking more work (when I am not working) and .....

Anyway - have noted this and will try to return to it tomorrow after I am (I hope) properly rested.

Lots to do but I do need to get some food and then sleep.

But what you mention is something I may be able to trace through the records I have so I will do my best.

Ian

[londoner]

Thanks Tony for the info - do you know who James was married to - I assume from the daughter's name that she might have been a Grenfell but he is not on the Grenfell site. Was his father ?Simon? or James? if so he was either brother or cousin to William - (see St Levan baptisms)
I think that the Sarah who married Thomas would have been the daughter of Robert Humphries and Margaret(nee Edwards) although the date of their marriage is after the birth date you gave for Sarah.
There is an entry in the Sennen Marriages for Samuel Harris Nicholl s/o James to Mary Ann Thomas Humphreys d/o Paul 13 Jan 1844 witness Joseph Mitchell. I suspect that this could be a mistranscription as their is a baptim in 1849 of Barbara d/oSamuel Harvey Mitchell and Mary Ann.
Joseph appears to have married Grace Gilbert (two baptisms - Thomas 1842 & Mary GIlbert 1844) I havent had time to check this yet and Simon and wife Betsey had a daughter Eliza 1842.
Seem to be getting closer but still lots to sort

[londoner]

Ian - I mentioned the Humphreys wills in a PM a while back - I havent got transcriptions typed up yet but will send you as soon as i have - may be a while with work and the Festive season approaching - have to visit in-laws
Tony - forgot to mention that Wallis is my main area of interest- Jonathan Humphreys who James Mitchell was guardian to married Honor daughter of Robert Wallis of Sennen who has numerous offspring whose details i can let you have if you are interested
Lesley

[tonymitch]

Lesley...which James do you mean...they were all called James! Hows about James 1744 who married Hester Richards. I only have one child from this union and it is (guess) Correct...James 1769 who married Margaret Grenfell on 23 Feb 1799. Joseph certainly married a 'Grace' but I didn't have a family name for her until now. Thanks. Sorry to say that I think you are off the line with Simon. He married a Joanna Olds. They emigrated to Canada and I am in contact with a descendent of thiers. BUT ...I did have a little difficulty originally with Simon and in some documentation he is listed as Samson. Perhaps there are 2 of them. Barbara is also known to me, she became a James. No she didn't have a gender identity problem this was her married name. Will now look up St Leven Baptisms to see if I can find a father or mother for my 1744 James. By the way, my mother was Peggy Mitchell...and that was before East Enders was even a blot on the scriptwriters notepad.
Tony M

[Cornish Terrier]

Will try and do more on this later tonight.

Trying to get some furniture sorted out so as I can empty some boxes and make this place a little more liveable.

Ian

[tonymitch]

How's about this then? St Leven Tithe Apportionment 1838 Plan starting 366; 57acres, 3 rods and 24 perches appear to be owned by the "Mother and guardian of Mary and Nanny Humphries Mitchell" and are occupied by Enoch Tonkin at a rent of £8/5s/5d. Tennement in Raftra. Bit further on we find land (227 acres) occupied by John Mitchell of Sawah. I have copy of a will by Ralph Mitchell of Sawah dated 1833 leaving "All that part of my Freehold Estate called Borah" to his son John. Included also in that will are fields, houses etc which he leaves to his son James when James shall atain the age of 24, including 'Tonkins Croft'. This might be muddying the water somewhat as I don't know of any link twixt Ralph, and therefore John and James of Sawah and my James of Boscarne.

Tony M

[Cornish Terrier]

Tony - muddy the waters as much as you like as the information you are supplying may be invaluable in helping others (including myself) on this Board.

Enoch Tonkin is very likely one of the following:-

Enoch Tonkin bp. 27th August 1780 at St Levan s/o Enoch and Constance (nee JELBART) m. Sarah JOSE 14th October 1809 at St Levan.

Enoch Tonkin bp. 19th March 1797 St Levan s/o Richard and Honour (nee GUY).

See how that might fit in and I will look more at it a little later.

A quick view of the Board and then back to sorting shelves and clearing boxes.

Ian

[londoner]

Mary & Nanny (aka Ann) were the daughters of William & Mary (nee Harvey) Mitchell baptised at St Levan 22 Feb 1821 - Mary was b 1819. Whether this is the son of the William I mentioned as possible brother to Anne (St Levan baptisms 1746 & 1750) father Simon, I dont know. It seems likely but I haven't had a chance to hunt him down - could he be the 1803 William son of James? Seems more likely as James s/o James married Lavinia Harvey.
Also (just to confuse things a bit more) was there an earlier Joseph? I have found reference to Joseph & Catherine of Boscarne and later of Brew, who had daughters Esther (1826 St Buryan) and Harriet 1829. Brew is where Jonathan Humphreys jnr lived after his marriage.
And as for Ralph - according to the St Levan registers there was another (?) James of Sawah, wife Mary (possibly nee Roberts) who had daughters Mary Roberts 1742 and Elizabeth 1744.
I suspect that all these mitchells are connected to James who had six offspring at St Levan between 1705 & 1720 what do you think? I will get the Humphreys connection sorted eventually. Maybe even identify the mysterious Mary Harvey ( there are so many of them) who was the mother of Jonathan Humphreys - which is where I began this quest