Ian, James is listed in the 1841 census as having an age of 40 = birth in 1801.
I have trawled from somewhere (why the hangman I don't keep a record of these things I don't know) a birthdate of 1799. Father James and Margaret Grenfell I have as marrying 23rd Feb 1799. I think a 'cousin' of mine in Canada, a descendent of Simon Mitchell son of James and Margaret also has the same dates etc. and we arrived at them independently.
James and Lavinia in 1841 census are listed as being at Boscarn Vean. (PRO Ref HO107/141/9 District of St buryan District 2 Folio 14 page 3.....Hallelujah, at last I've collected a reference!!!) ;D James Mitchell 40 Agricultural Labourer, Levinia 40, Samuel 20 shoe maker, Joseph 15, John 10, Levinia 8, Jane 6, Rebecka 2, Ann Casley 20 Female Servant.
In Boscarn itself we have James 70 (father?) with Margt Trezise 29 and Binane Trezise 2 along with Samuel Harvey 70 Agricultural Labourer (Lavinia's Dad?) and Simon Mitchell 8
This census return is well worth looking at as Humphries Wallis and Co are scattered around like confetti. Also Mark Hattam's Web Site confirms a lot of stuff I have .
Off now to treat the wife to a bowl of soup at the local Garden Centre.
Last Edit: Apr 18, 2008 4:08:12 GMT -5 by tonymitch
OK - with regards to James MITCHELL m. Hester RICHARDS.
Have checked the dreaded IGI and can find only one possible Hester RICHARDS that in any way fits our scenario.
And this also provides a reason for James and Hester apparently having only the one child.
Hester RICHARDS d/o James and (?) bp. St Levan 30th August 1730 She would have been 39 when young James was born which is not a great problem and, as I said, provides reason for there being only one child. It also means that James MITCHELL may have been a little older than first thought. I can find no reference to the baptism of a James Mitchell (var.) between 1712 and 1769 any nearer to St Buryan than Ludgvan and Phillack so we need to continue looking for other options.
if (and I know it's a big if) we are prepared to accept ~Hester bp1730 and James bp 1712 at St Levan as the pair that married in 1769 I can now add some more information about this James.
The will of Andrew Michell (mariner ) 1703 mentions brother James, sister Sarah (who in 1708, m Wm Tonkin), the family of Penicost Cara and "his beloved mother Mary".
buried 1729 at St Levan is Mary Mitchell - who is mentioned in the will of Joseph Glasson (see my other posting) as his sister. (Simon, below, is also mentioned)
Our James (1712) was bp s/o James (and Margaret Paul (sister of Joseph) who m 1704 in Sennen)as were: Elizabeth 1705 (possibly m Thomas Nicholas and d Elizabeth) Sarah 1707 Simon 1709 d1786 m1745 to Ann d/o Joseph Paul Andrew 1715 -1766 William 1720 -1743
The will of Andrew (1715 - 1766) mentions brothers Simon, James, John, sisters Sarah wife of Robert Bennatts (m 1745), Elizabeth w/o Stephen Bennatts (m1756) and nephew Robert s/o Robert Bennatts.
SIMON (see above) was the father of Joseph, Anne, William & Mary Anne m 1 William Harvey, 2 Jonathan Humphrys (s/o Robert & Elizabeth nee Paul)
And so the circle is complete so long as you dont come up with another James as candidate for husband of Hester ;D
Last Edit: May 20, 2008 8:04:58 GMT -5 by londoner
Ian, you're confused ...I'm amazed, gob smacked and bewildered. (Wasn't there a song with that as its title a few years ago?) I'm out of breath trying to keep up. I've been off line for a time due to a gooed up hard drive (20 mins to 'boot up') came back on line tonight to this. It really needs sorting out and my little room hasn't enough floor space to cope with all the sheets of paper necessary. One thing puzzles me... ... 'Andrew' is not a name in my family. Mind you, neither is 'Anthony' until your truly came along. Sorry, two things puzzle me... ... ...Andrew was a mariner...James et al were farmers and future generations were farmers/miners and latterly artisans (shoemakers). We have never had mariners or Andrews in the family, but Harvey, Humphries and Tonkin do appear with regularity.
Lesley...can't understand the previous message though (Remember, I'm rather slow) Who the hangman is A***y (judging from the typographical errors and if it were A*****y it could have been me), but what is this source and its meaning? As for "Levecker Mitchell" is this the name of a person or of a Belgian motorway service station?
Thanks anyway for all your hard work. You really are a star.
Last Edit: May 20, 2008 17:56:30 GMT -5 by tonymitch
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 20, 2008 18:24:37 GMT -5
Tony - much of the heiroglyphics are the results of what the Transcriber came up with and it is obvious that the person involved had great difficulty reading and transcribing the documents.
It is likely also that familiarity with names and places was low and so what we see is the best that the transcriber could make out of what they were trying to read.
Crikey, I even found Quick in the Census the other night indexed as 'Inick' and had been wondering why I could not find the particular family.
The name Andrew does not appear in the 1641 Protestation Returns for Sennen, St Levan, Sancreed or St Buryan as a Christian name and a dearth of records for, particularly, Sennen and St Levan make it difficult to determine its origins in your Michell family. However it did appear in succeeding generations so must have had some importance at the time.
And Andrew having been a 'mariner' amongst farmers and miners is not really unusual and you will find that many families of the time would have been similar given that Cornwall is a very small place surrounded by one heckuva lot of water.
And St Levan has a maritime history - probably more so with fishing from Penberth Cove but also with the famous Logan Rock.
Was Elizabeth 1705 married 2x? The Glasson Will implies that she married Thomas Nicholas, but the Mitchell Will has her marrying Steven Bennatts. Who is correct, are we talking about 2 different Elizabeths or did either Thomas or Stephen die? This is all very confusing.....