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Post by tonymitch on Mar 26, 2008 19:07:15 GMT -5
Lesley...with information like that, be as pushy as you like. How in blazes could I have missed it?  What has thrown me (said he in self defence) is that I have Joseph marrying Grace Gilbert not Rodda and didn't know of a previous marriage. Of course they are my family...I have slightly different dob's, out by one year. I have Margaret too, but somehow overlooked her.  Thanks, I'm again in your debt.  Tony M |
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Post by londoner on Mar 27, 2008 3:40:08 GMT -5
dates of birth were from the census records rather than baptisms and can vary by a year either way depending on the date of census in relation to the birthdate. Joseph features as witness to several marriages in Sennen including some of my lot! I guess he & Jonathan must have been quite close, his father being Jonathan's guardian.
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Post by tonymitch on Mar 27, 2008 19:08:32 GMT -5
Oops, made a mistake ....Returning to the Humphreys problem I commented about a Paul Harris Nicholl. This should have been Samuel Harris Nicholl. (Sennen OPC) However, this presents me with a problem . Samuel Harris Nicholl aged 24 is reported to have wed Mary Ann Thomas Humphreys aged 22 on 13th Jan 1844 in Sennen witnessed by Joseph Mitchell. Why should Joseph witness this marriage?  4 months later I have a Mary Ann Thomas giving birth to my g-g-father James Mitchell  ....However, if we assume that Mary Ann Thomas Humphreys (aged 22 from Sennen) is the same person as Mary Ann Thomas (aged 22 from Sennen) she seems to have married the wrong chap, an error which I assume even Joseph Mitchell would have noticed. But what if the Vicar (or the Sennen OPC) wrongly transcribrd the event and Samuel Harris Nicholl aged 24 Shoemaker of Sennen is really Samuel Harvey Mitchell aged 24 Shoemaker of Sennen, every one can go home happy ...and I'm sticking by that one. ;D |
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Post by londoner on Mar 28, 2008 4:04:10 GMT -5
Agreed - hence my earlier comment about typo.
as to the witness - looking at a selection of Sennen marriages it seems that uncles were often witnesses - when Joseph's daughter Esther married John Tonkin his uncle Benjamin Trahair was witness.
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Post by tonymitch on Mar 28, 2008 5:38:14 GMT -5
I told you I was slow on the uptake! I assumed youur earlier comment was concerning the missing 'Humphries' from my Mary Ann Thomas. Either that or you did make a 'typo' whilst writing. 'Didn't think that both 'Harvey' and 'Mitchell' could be so misinterpreted into 'Harris' and 'Nicholl'. I've contacted Sennen OPC webmaster and he has agreed to look into the entry.
Tony M
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Post by londoner on Mar 28, 2008 8:36:18 GMT -5
[quote author=tonymitch
1841 census records a Paul Humphries born 1816 a shoemaker living at Crowsanwra. Could be related???
Yes - he was Mary Ann's brother - married to Margery Waters of St Buryan
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 15, 2008 11:06:06 GMT -5
Tony - have started a bit of work on this family beginning with putting together the family of James and Lavinia. One thing I noticed whilst searching for marriages of their children was that Jane Victor Mitchell was transcribed as 'Ann Mitchell' for her marriage to Charles Prowse in 1857. A couple of questions before I go off and look at a few other things from your other postings. Can you tell me the burial dates for James, Lavinia and Samuel Harvey Mitchell please. I think I have found them but would like your confirmation before I go updating my database. James Mitchell of Boscarne bu. 29th March 1850 age 57 Lavinia Mitchell of Boscarne bu. 18th December 1853 age 56 Samuel Mitchell of New Town in St Just 18th July 1862 age 42 There was another Lavinia Mitchell of Boscarne bu. 18th May 1852 age 42. Ian |
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Post by londoner on Apr 15, 2008 11:36:17 GMT -5
1851 Census has
Boscarne,Levinia Mitchell,Head,W,,49,Farmholder Of 6acres,St Buryan Cornwall,,
,,William Mitchell,Son,U,23,,Ag Lab,St Buryan Cornwall,,
,,Simeon Mitchell,Son,U,21,,Ag Lab,St Buryan Cornwall,,
,,John Mitchell,Son,U,20,,Miner,St Buryan Cornwall,,
,,Jane V. Mitchell,Dau,U,,16,,St Buryan Cornwall,,
,,Rebecca Mitchell,Dau,,,12,,St Buryan Cornwall,,
no other Lavinia at Boscarne but 1851 St Buryan:
21 Sep Lavinia c/o Samuel (Cordwainer) & Mary Anne Mitchell of St. Just
haven't checked but did she die and they got the age wrong? BMD has both deaths - spelled Levenia & Levinia
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 15, 2008 13:15:13 GMT -5
Lesley and Tony - have been doing a bit more work on this thread and have a few things to offer. But the following information my be the lot for tonight as I really need to check a few other threads and some other information I have been working on for myself. Also I am going to need to go through this whole thread again very carefully and update things as I go now that I have a better grasp of things. OK - with regards to James MITCHELL m. Hester RICHARDS. Have checked the dreaded IGI and can find only one possible Hester RICHARDS that in any way fits our scenario. And this also provides a reason for James and Hester apparently having only the one child. Hester RICHARDS d/o James and (?) bp. St Levan 30th August 1730 She would have been 39 when young James was born which is not a great problem and, as I said, provides reason for there being only one child. It also means that James MITCHELL may have been a little older than first thought. I noted the reference to 1744 but, having looked at the IGI, I see that this date is an IGI reference where they assume 25 as the age males married (and 21 for females). I can find no reference to the baptism of a James Mitchell (var.) between 1712 and 1769 any nearer to St Buryan than Ludgvan and Phillack so we need to continue looking for other options. Next on the agenda for this note is the reference to Esther and Kitty Nicholas Mitchell coming to Australia. Esther TONKIN died 1912 Charlton, Victoria age 87 (Reg. 5007) (Parents - Joseph Mitchell and Catherine WALLACE) Is the following St Buryan marriage that of Kitty Nicholas Mitchell 4 Apr 1854 by Banns John Clemmens full age batchelor Labourer of Lower Leah (Father: William Clemmens, Farmer) Kitty Mitchell 19 spinster of Treave (Father: Joseph Mitchell, Labourer) Witnesses: Elizabeth Ann Mitchell, Thomasin Thomas Hoskin I cannot find a marriage for Esther in Victoria and I can find nothing more about Kitty. Will try to get back to this thread and see what more I can offer after another careful look at things. Ian |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 15, 2008 13:42:06 GMT -5
Don't know if the following will ultimately be of any use but ...
JAMES MICHELL of St. Just
Admon granted 4 May 1668 to HONOR MICHELL, widow of the deceased. Bond by
JOHN MICHELL of St. Just, yeoman. Inventory taken 20 March 1667/8 by THOMAS
SANDERS & RICHARD BENNETTS. Administration account dated 24 November 1671
mentions payments to: JOHN MICHELL, AUGUSTINE RICHARDS, WILLIAM PENHALURICK,
merchant and JOHN PEARSE, merchant.
AP/M/958
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Post by londoner on Apr 15, 2008 16:54:44 GMT -5
A little more about Esther (nee Mitchell) Tonkin. She married John Tonkin at Sennen in 1847, two children that I have found via other folks ancestry trees: Lydia 1856-1897 (d Kangaroo Flats) and John Clemens Tonkin 1857 Collingwood - 1951 Armadale Vic.
I have Ester's parents as Joseph Mitchell & Catherine Nicholas m 1825 St Buryan John Tonkin's mother was Catherine Wallis (daughter of Robert & Mary!!!!!)
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 15, 2008 19:48:37 GMT -5
That pretty much fits with what I have been able to find. The reference in the Victorian Death record to Catherine Wallace is no doubt one of those errors you often see on Death Certificates. Obviously the 'informant' got things wrong. Now if this informant were Esther's husband it is obvious that, when asked the question of parentage, he has given his own mother's name instead of Esther's. Time for bed for a few hours after spending half the night downloading PR information including quite a lot of Phillimore Marriage Transcripts. Have a list of another 11 Parishes to download tonight. |
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Post by tonymitch on Apr 16, 2008 6:44:29 GMT -5
WOW you two!! Iv'e not been looking at the board for a couple of days and suddenly I'm swamped with info.
Ian....
I have James Mitchell's death as being in 1848,
Lavinia's 8th Dec 1852
and do not have a record of Samuel's death but it must have been between 1861 and 1871. In the 1861 census he was reported to be living at 4 Newtown Kelynack.
I'm not with the Hester being born 1730, I have her birth as 1748
Lesley....
I think James and Lavinia had 10 children in all
Samuel b 1819
James b 1821
Joseph b 1826
William b 1827
Lavinia Margaret b 1828
SIMON b 1830
John b 1831
Lavinia b 1833
Jane b 1835
Rebecca b 1839
Yes...there seems to be a bit of a mix up with Lavinia. I have mother Lavinia dying in 1853 (18th Dec) and another one dying in May 1852. Then there is daughter Lavinia B 1833 as oposed to daughter Lavinia Margaret B 1828 D 1830.
So much info here, my head is buzzing. It shows up my weakness in genealogy as I have Lavinia (D 1852) and Lavinia (D 1853) as the same person and can't give sources of much of my info. (e.g. Hester's d.o.b.) but I know I haven't just plucked them out of thin air!!!
Can't say much more at the moment and won't be able to digest what has been written for a couple of days as I'm playing in a concert at the week end will be rehearsing. Perhaps I'll be able to have a longer and more detailed look later. Incidentally, we are playing Rimsky-Korsakov, I wonder who will win!!!
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 16, 2008 12:42:13 GMT -5
I will get back onto this over the next few days also as I have been looking at that much stuff I need to sit back and take a rest from it to refresh my poor addled brain.  At least we seem to be progressing and a fresh look in a couple of days might help us all along. I am about done for tonight apart from a quick look at other messages. About time to eat and relax with my latest Agatha Christie's Poirot DVD.  |
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Post by tonymitch on Apr 17, 2008 7:37:11 GMT -5
Hi everyone. Not sure where to put this...I really needs a new heading on one of the boards, possibly 'queeries' but I don't know how to do it !!! (Ignorance showing again)
I have a Bible Christian Hymnbook given by my g-g-mother to my father in 1915 On the fly leaf is an inscription in beautiful copperplate handwriting Mary Mitchell May 31st 1876. then in tiny script 'R...Cripples Hill St Just Cornwall...S' (The 'R' and 'S' are on either side of an inverted triangle with 'Cripples Hill St Just' forming the base, which is of course at the top!)
The front cover states that it was published in 1889 thirteen years after the inscription. I cannot find the signifiacnce the 1876 date. No birthday, marriage nor death ocurred on that day. Also, on her marriage certificate Mary (nee Oats) 'signed' with a (x), yet eleven years later we have beautiful (and I mean that ) copperplate handwriting
Three question.....1) What is significant about 31 May 1876.
2) Why are 'R' and 'S' also on the fly leaf
3) How is it possible to learn to write in copperplate only 11 years after
being unable to sign your name?
(I'm not hopeful about answers to 2+3)
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What has thrown me (said he in self defence) is that I have Joseph marrying Grace Gilbert not Rodda and didn't know of a previous marriage. Of course they are my family...I have slightly different dob's, out by one year. I have Margaret too, but somehow overlooked her. 
4 months later I have a Mary Ann Thomas giving birth to my g-g-father James Mitchell 
....However, if we assume that Mary Ann Thomas Humphreys (aged 22 from Sennen) is the same person as Mary Ann Thomas (aged 22 from Sennen) she seems to have married the wrong chap, an error which I assume even Joseph Mitchell would have noticed. But what if the Vicar (or the Sennen OPC) wrongly transcribrd the event and Samuel Harris Nicholl aged 24 Shoemaker of Sennen is really Samuel Harvey Mitchell aged 24 Shoemaker of Sennen, every one can go home happy ...and I'm sticking by that one. ;D
