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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 3, 2010 7:37:49 GMT -5
Well - there is certainly some confusion here!! These are more families that I worked on some years ago and my conclusions differ quite a bit from your own. You see there was more than one Andrew Stevens around that time with a wife named Mary. From the work I did I concluded that the Andrew Stevens who married Jane Michell was:- Andrew bp. 15th March 1740 at Zennor son of Matthew Stevens and Catherine Curnow My reasoning for this was in the names of their children. First child was named Andrew. Then came MATTHEW who I believe was named for Andrew's father. There followed Job (a Stevens name), Robert (Jane's father), John and William before the first daughter arrived. This first daughter was named CATHERINE and I believe she was named for Andrew's mother. The next (and last) daughter was Jane followed by the last son (another William). The Andrew Stevens bp. 15th February 1740 was the son of Andrew Stevens who married Mary Donithorne at Towednack 3rd February 1738. This Andrew married Mary Oats at Madron 24th March 1770 and was 'of Morvah' at the time. His father (husband of Mary Donithorne) was born about 1710 probably at Zennor son of Matthew Stevens and Martha Bennetts. So far I do not know what happened to the family of Andrew Stevens and Mary Sweet. It looks like this is another Zennor family I will have to review but I know that at least in some cases I was able to refer to Wills when I was working on them. You seem to have the Michell side matching my data. Robert Michell married Ann Quick at Zennor 8th January 1729. At this point I believe that Robert was the son of Samuel Michell and Ann Stevens but I do know that I still have more work to do on this part of the family. CT
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Post by staplehouse on Mar 3, 2010 15:17:24 GMT -5
Thank you for that, all these andrews and mary gets confused TJ
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Post by newlyn on Mar 3, 2010 15:35:51 GMT -5
Andrew Stevens married Mary Sweet 30.4.1726 Zennor
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Post by staplehouse on Mar 4, 2010 16:09:56 GMT -5
CT Thank you for that information, look forward to anything on these Thomas, they seem to be a hard family to do anything with even today, they are hard TJ
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 5, 2010 4:03:38 GMT -5
I know exactly what you mean about the Thomas family!! I have had to work on a few of them over the last week or so in St Just as some married into the Eddy family that I am working on. But at the moment your particular family is more difficult to pin down. If the Ludgvan marriage to Elizabeth Quick is indeed the one you are looking for then it would appear that Thomas was possibly not 'of Ludgvan' even though there is nothing in the marriage entry to suggest it. Elizabeth Quick is also still confusing and may or may not be part of the Quick family who moved across to Ludgvan. Might have to get my old Quick partner Lannanta to have a think about this also. At the moment we have a possible marriage in Ludgvan, two children at Gulval and one child at Zennor with that last child marrying at Zennor later on. If the family stayed at Zennor we might have a chance but it will mean checking out every entry for a Thomas Thomas (and for Elizabeth) in the Zennor PRs. I will try to do something about that as soon as I can get through some of the other work I have in progress. CT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2010 13:55:39 GMT -5
CT The only Elizabeth Quick that I have that nicely "fits" here is the daughter of Richard Quick and Elizabeth Row of Ludgvan. Perhaps then the place to look for children if they are absent from Ludgvan is St Hilary (Marazion) as this is where Elizabeth's brother Richard was married. Indeed there are a few children at St Hilary from 1781 to 1786 baptised to Thomas and Elizabeth Thomas. Also it is possible that Elizabeth's sister Jane Quick married Samuel Blight also at Ludgvan, but at St Hilary there is a baptism for a Mary Blight to Samuel & Jane with a note - 'at Marazion, of Ludgvan'. It is also possible that Elizabeth's other sister, Anne, married John Davy of Zennor and they moved to Zennor after that marriage as there are baptisms to suit - if you know what I mean? Just a thought.... Lannanta PS - retribution for Oz in the cricket today??
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 5, 2010 23:04:38 GMT -5
Lannanta - nice to have you poke your head in! I am inclined to agree with you about Elizabeth and it does make almost perfect sense especially when the first child baptised at St Hilary was given the name Richard! That strikes me as a rather unusual name among the Thomas families I have looked at and it would certainly give us the link to Richard and Elizabeth Quick. IGI shows 200+ entries for Richard Thomas but of the first 200 I would say at least 60% are the usual erroneous entries. I am happy that we finally have a home for Elizabeth! Sister Jane married Samuel Blight?? - YES Sister Anne married John Davy?? - YES Anne was buried 21st January 1831 at Zennor age 83 of Boswednack. I must say that the only Cricket news I have had from the Land of the Long White Cloud was on the news a couple of nights ago about some little altercation involving Mitchel Johnson. I think I did hear that it was a narrow loss to us but that is about all I have heard as it is all on PayTV as far as I know. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 5, 2010 23:52:41 GMT -5
A little for interest sake. In the 1851 Census at Kea there is one Nicholas Thomas age 74, widower, whose birthplace was Gulval. This would appear to be the son of Thomas and Elizabeth and he has with him a grandaughter Elizabeth age 17. In the 1841 Census he appears with a wife named Mary but from there on I am having trouble tracking them. There was a Nicholas Thomas of Paul married Mary Anne Marrack at Madron in 1811 but he would be the son of William and Elizabeth baptised at Paul in 1783. A little more to work with anyway.
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Post by staplehouse on Mar 7, 2010 20:40:37 GMT -5
Hi Just wanted to tell you this , On Thomas Thomas Death Certificate 14 March 1925 at Budock Woolooga Queensland it states that his father was Thomas Matthew Thomas and was a Merchant, I have just obtain this today, and was surprise as it is the first time that I have seen Matthew mention, not sure it this will help or not but just want to tell you TJ
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 8, 2010 0:09:37 GMT -5
TJ - thankyou for passing on this information. However I have learnt to be sceptical of information contained in death certificates given the person who would actually know the required information is more often than not the person to whom the death certificate refers. The name Thomas Matthew Thomas or Thomas Matthews Thomas appears in FreeBMD only five times for baptisms and they are all registered in Wales. And there is only one marriage recorded for this name - again in Wales and in 1901. I badly need some sleep right now but I will try to read through your notes again a little later to see if I might get some clue as to why the information might have thought he was Thomas Matthew Thomas. But perhaps the best way to approach this is to first ask you exactly who was the informant? The identity of that particular person should give a clue as to any possible accuracy. CT
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Post by staplehouse on Mar 8, 2010 16:04:53 GMT -5
I obtain a copy of it, but I have always known him just as Thomas Thomas, so not sure where the iformation came from those years ago, but one of his sons was named Matthew Thomas Thomas. he was the eldest. so it could be right, but I would say not, Thomas got married in Stawell in Victoria 1881, I have looked at the marrigae certificate and it just states Thomas Thomas, so this should be correct should it TJ
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 8, 2010 19:42:21 GMT -5
I can see a possible reason now. If the son were the informant he may have given his own name instead - maybe in a mistaken belief that he was given his father's name at birth. That is one possibility anyway and I have seen it before. I suppose you are aware that there was one son born to Thomas and Sarah in Victoria?? John Frederick Thomas born at Stawell in 1882. Just in case. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 8, 2010 19:52:18 GMT -5
Looking at your last note again now has me intrigued. You say that Matthew Thomas Thomas was the eldest son of Thomas and Sarah? Yet Victorian Records show only one son born to Thomas and Sarah in Victoria and that was John Frederick in 1882. I have checked the Queensland records and found five more children:- Louisa Jane - 1884 William George - 1886 Alice Catherine - 1889 Richard james - 1891 Susan Zenobia - 1893 So where was Matthew born? Also - I can find no further record of John frederick Thomas in Victoria, NSW or Queensland. CT
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Post by staplehouse on Mar 9, 2010 15:08:33 GMT -5
Thomas Matthew was born in Queensland and there also was another child born before John Frederick then came Thomas Matthew, then my grandmother Louisa Jane but as I said that Wedding Certificate does not show matthew as second name so I think that you could be right that the son got mixed up with his name espceially when education was not the important at that time of era. TJ
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 10, 2010 2:59:35 GMT -5
TJ - I would appreciate it it you could post some details on the two children I have not found. I have just searched the Victorian Pioneers Index and also the Queensland Births again and no matter how I search I am unable to find either Thomas Matthew in Queensland or the first child in Victoria. CT
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