Hi Stiltz: Right, I looked again at the census and see it was just part of the family. Ann Thomas who is 80 in 1841 there is Ann Nicholas Thomas who had been married to John Thomas, father of Richard Thomas who married Charity Bawden as mentioned above. Clarinda who married Martin Trewhella is Richard's sister. But the household for Ann is separate, and has in it Thomas Behenna and Wm. Currah. Thomas's sister of course married Samuel Brodribb. Interesting that some Thomas's gave J. Brodribb elocution lessons. I doubt they are related to my Thomas's, but don't know. One of my speculations is that the Behenna family is somehow related to the Thomas family back in the late 1700's or early 1800's. Do you know if Thomas Behenna b. 1769 had any siblings? Thanks for helping me with this.
Firstly yes Thomas b. c. 1769 (father of John Henry's mother, Mary, et al) had a half-brother, Ambrose, b. c. 1738, who was in fact my 5 x great grandfather. Their father, Isaac, b. c. 1717 married
i) Durcus in 1737. She died in 1746 although they had had 6 children that I know of before then. As far as I can tell only Ambrose and his sister Dorcus, b. c. 1751, survived from that marriage. I have no other records of this Dorcus, but loads on Ambrose (of course .
Isaac then married
ii) Elizabeth Behenna in 1756 and they had 2 children: Issac, b. c. 1757, but he died in 1780. and our Thomas.
However I do have a record of a Thomas marrying into this Behenna family [there are a couple of other Cornish Behenna lines that are so far not linked together just to confuse the issue]
Isaac Behenna, b. c. 1702 in Philliegh, married Elizabeth Thomas in 1733. I believe Elizabeth was born about 1704 the daughter of a John Thomas. They had 3 children but I don't know if any of these married and had children.
These Behennas all descend from Richard Behenna b. c. 1578 in Veryan.
Sometime ago I contacted the Irving society to try and find out more about Sir Henry and they kindly recommended a book about him by his grandson Laurence that has apparently got quite a bit about his childhood in. Fortunately I've been able to reserve it at the library today so hopefully that will have something in it that will help us with our quest!
Post by calswimmer on Aug 31, 2008 12:33:39 GMT -5
Hi Stiltz: Thank you very much for the info about Ambrose. I put the name into ancestry family trees and they have his mother incorrectly down as Elizabeth but I found one tree that has a last name for this Elizabeth--and most info on the family correct--, and it is "Thomas.!" If this is correct (and with these trees, who knows) it could be the key. I will keep checking.
Just to confirm that my Ambrose born 1738 married Mary Blackler in 1765 in Kea.
The Isaac Behenna who married Elizabeth Thomas was the son of Isaac Behenna, b. c. 1673, and Elizabeth Champen, who married in St Erth in 1698.
Isaac and Elizabeth Thomas had 3 children: Elizabeth b. c. 1734 and baptised in Feock. Isaac b.c. 1748 and baptised in Kea, buried in Kea 1748. Isaac b. c. 1749 and baptised in Kenwyn. (I wonder if he married and had any family?)
As I said these Behennas all descend from Richard born 1758 in Veryan. And if my working out is correct the father of my Ambrose, Isaac b. c. 1717 and Isaac, b.c. 1702 (husband of Elizabeth Thomas) would be 3rd cousins. (How complicated this all gets with so many christian names the same!) all for now Stiltz
Post by calswimmer on Sept 2, 2008 12:40:13 GMT -5
Yes, correct! but you had that in post two of this thread--it's ok--been awhile! Thanks for jumping in. Good to have you back! Hope your connection is working ok. Now I suppose it might be helpful to know more about Ann Nicholas. Since she is living with Thomas Behenna, maybe the connection is through her Nicholas family and not so much her husband's Thomas family. I think I have seen one Nicholas- Behenna marriage. I'm also thinking about where Thomas ended up in Australia. Would it be helpful for me to check out who else from Cornwall went there? Did people tend to cluster or where the migrations haphazard?I think I saw a Penberthy also went to the same area.
Well at last I've had a chance to look through the book I mentioned about Sir Henry Irving - nearly 700 pages so I've just looked up references
Firstly the Thomas family who gave him elocution lessons were a family living in London - shame there's probably no connection there for you.
There's some very interesting info about the Behenna family - apparently William Behenna, father of Thomas etc had acquired the farm at Boskerris in exchange for 'his complaisance about his wife's lover who was the son of one of the largest landowners in the parish of Lelant'! I believe this maybe the Praed family who I understand originally owned the farm. As if that's not enough the book then goes on to say that 'three of his daughters Sarah, Mary and Victoria (I've not heard of this daughter and there's no record of a baptism for her) were all said to be very beautiful, dignified and gracious and walked like Queens. However the fashion of the times discreetly hid the fact that all three had long, spindly legs'. I can only think that this is a reference to the fact that their mother's lover also had long spindly legs and therefore he was their father! Strong stuff eh!
This family seemed to sink lower and lower as William then went on to 'drink away his estate falling into debt to an unscrupulous publican who, chalking up his customers account, resolved these debts by taking from time to time a parcel of land in payment until he himself became the owner of Boskerris'! What goings on eh!
I've got more details from the book if you're interested.
Did you manage to get anywhere with other families going out to Australia?
Post by calswimmer on Oct 16, 2008 21:33:34 GMT -5
That is very interesting about William! London and Thomases --yes probably not related to mine, but on the other hand some of mine went to London so it is not entirely ruled out as a connection. For some reason my ancestor's brother went to London to work on the waterworks there, and the ancestor's daughter also my ancesestor, lived with him there. i'm interested in more details from the book, yes. I've been totally caught up in a new job which is unfortunately not in the field of genealogy! I didn't even see your post till today! Thanks!
I've just seen your posts and of course you're right. William was not Thomas' father - his parents were Thomas Behenna and Catherine Curnow! (Isaac is this Thomas' father).
So who is this William Behenna and why is it all in such a muddle? I will do my best to try and sort it out and get back to you. Despite this I already had some information about this Behenna family and Boskerris farm so there must be something in it.
Did you actually buy the book on line? I've taken the one I had back to the library - wish I still had it here!!!
Don't you feel you're going round and round in circles sometimes