Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 17, 2007 15:55:51 GMT -5
With a lot of things going through my head at the moment I am now a little confused.
I believe I have found enough evidence to say that Elizabeth QUICK was not the mother of Mary BOHENNA who married Samuel BROADRIBB.
It seems, in fact, that Mary's parents were Thomas BOHENNA and Catherine (nee CURNOW).
Incidentally, I learned yesterday that Hannibal Thomas, whom you had mentioned earlier, married Jane Quick, sister of the Elizabeth you mentioned, and their daughter Catherine married a Nicholas T. Nicholls. Don't know if that will lead anywhere, but I will start checking out the census following the leads you provided.
What I need to figure out now is the 'amended connection' now just referred to.
YES Jane QUICK married Hannibal THOMAS and it was previously her sister Elizabeth who was (according to my then information) married to someone named BOHENNA and therefore mother of the Mary BOHENNA who married Samuel BROADRIBB.
Given all these connections I now have to ask one 'simple' ( ) question:-
Now that there is evidence that it was Catherine CURNOW who married Thomas BOHENNA and that these were the parents of Mary (later BROADRIBB) - did ELIZABETH, sister of Jane QUICK, also marry a member of the BOHENNA family thus providing some further connections.
I am Sooooooooooooo confused with this one at the moment.
But it is good that we are, at least, making some progress.
Hope to be back on to this tomorrow but will see how things go.
Post by calswimmer on Sept 17, 2007 16:22:14 GMT -5
I just went through that twice and yeah it is confusing!!! If we leave Elizabeth Quick out of it, it becomes much less confusing. But I don't think that Thomas who ends up in Australia was likely the son of Catherine Curnow because she would have been 52 when he was born. I think he may be of another family.
Post by calswimmer on Sept 18, 2007 0:24:18 GMT -5
I can't find anything yet on Elizabeth Quick, but did come across poet Henry Quick of Zennor, a poet--appears in the census as "Rhymer," who is said to be cousin to Henry Irving on his father's side. His mother's name in the census is Jenepher. Other info I gathered on himwas from books online, but have not found his father yet.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 18, 2007 13:41:00 GMT -5
Calswimmer - very happy to be of help.
Regarding the 1861 Census information for Clevedon, Somserset - I think I 'might' have deciphered the name of the visiting ? Mary Thomas.
Another look now indicates that the first name 'may' be GEORGIANNA - if that is any help. (I cannot be absolutely certain but that is what it now looks like.)
Now - looking at your latest notes I think I have something more to add.
But it is now becoming even more confusing to me.
A little about John Victor etc... I found him in the census from 1841 to 1891. In 1841 he resided with the Isaac Penberthy family. Isaac was a mine agent and was married to Sarah Behenna in 1830 in Lelant. John Victor married Sarah's sister Jane. He remarried to Ketura and then Helene, as far as I can tell from the census listings. He was a minister and at one point was called "Undenominational," but I wonder if he may have been Wesleyan. Isaac Penberthy raised his wife's nephew, known later as the actor Henry Irving.
1. SALLY d/o Thomas and Catherine Bohenna bp. Lelant 28th December 1800 (IGI)
2. From Lelant Online Parish Registers (Marriages)
13 February 1830 by banns Isaac Penberthy of the parish of St. Ives Susan Behenna of this parish Witnesses: John Penberthy, Joshua Bohenna
3. Sister Jane was baptised at Lelant 27th December 1811 (IGI)
4. Jane w/o John Victor was aged 46 in the 1861 Census (bn. c. 1814/5)
Possible solutions - 'SUSAN' - depending on the handwriting, this name could be interpreted from a name that actually reads SARAH and, given SALLY is a commonly used name for anyone called SARAH, then the problem may not be so great.
'JANE' - is interesting. The Census shows her as five years older than her husband but, unless the Jane of 1811 died and another Jane was baptised to the family ........
In 1851 Jane's age was also consistent with a birth of about 1814/15 and John Victor's age was also consistent with the 1861 Census.
At this time they had daughter Sarah Jane (1) who had been born at Westbury, Bristol (their location in this Census).
And (I think you mentioned) in 1841 John Victor is a schoolmaster residing with the family of Isaac and Sarah Penberthy at St Ives.
*** There is something not quite right about this whole problem and I just cannot, at the moment, figure it out.
1. I cannot yet find the family of Thomas Bohenna in the 1841 Census
2. Jane (wife of John Victor) in two consecutive Census gives an age consistent with being born about 1815 and, in both cases, is about five years older than her husband. (States she was born at Lelant in both entries)
3. The Jane I 'know about' was baptised in 1811 at Lelant
4. Thomas Bohenna (bn. c. 1820) - I would say that there has to be serious doubt about his being the son of Thomas and Catherine Bohenna.
The know son of Thomas and Catherine (from my records the only son) was Thomas bp. at Lelant in 1799 at which time his mother (Catherine Curnow) would have been about 26.
The last (currently) know child of this family was Jane bp. 1811 at Lelant.
The Thomas Bohenna who came to Australia was born about 1820 at which time Catherine would have been about 48 or 49.
The next interesting point you have mentioned is that Thomas (Australia) named one of his children 'Joshua'.
Whilst searching the Census I found that about the only area this name was found in the Bohenna family was around Veryan and possibly Gerrans.
There are two many inconsistencies and anomalies creeping in here so I am going to have to come back and think about this situation at a later date.
I really need to look at this, and all other information, in the 'cold hard light of day' and see what I can make of it.
But there is certainly a problem here that needs to be solved.
Post by calswimmer on Sept 18, 2007 21:28:34 GMT -5
Hmm... John Victor has to be the brother-in-law of Mary Broadribb (Samuel's wife--a Behenna), because of how it is in the census in 1861. So it stands to reason that John's wife Jane is a Behenna sister to Mary. If Mary is Thomas and Catherine's child, then so is Jane. I have read that Thomas and Catherine had eleven children. I'm not that concerned about Jane's birthdate and how her age appeares in the census. I have seen that vary a lot. I have checked my information on the family and Sarah, Isaac Penberthy's wife, was a Methodist although she used the rites of the Church of England. I'm not so sure about the Susan Behenna. It could be her name is actually Sarah, or even that another woman married to another Isaac. Of interest, Henry Irving mentions Mr. Victor in his correspondence I will see if I can find anything in my family history notes. If I can find them!
Post by calswimmer on Sept 19, 2007 15:02:28 GMT -5
I found some notes and am looking for more. I have a pretty extensive description of the Isaac Penberthy clan that was sent to a relative of mine. It includes such info as that Isaac Penberthy married Sarah Behenna 13-2-1830 and John Penberthy, Isaac's brother, married Eliza, Sarah's sister 13-6-1833. According to the writer of the information, both were daughters of Thomas and Catherine Behenna. Around this time Halsetown was built and some Lelanters moved there, including Isaac and Sarah, and Isaac became a mine agent. John and Eliza moved to St. Ives. Isaac died in 1849. Two of Isaac and Sarah's children were baptised by Wesleyan Methodists-- Sarah and Catherine. John and Eliza Behenna had some children baptised by the Methodists, and others at St. Ives Parish Church. There are more details. Then I also have a note that John Penberthy (b. 1801) who married Eliza Behenna (the sister of Sarah), died in Australia. John, b. 1840, son of Isaac Penberthy and Sarah, and cousin to Henry Irving, had a son named John Irving, and one named Victor.
Post by calswimmer on Sept 20, 2007 11:07:54 GMT -5
I found some useful information in the book "Henry Irving: A Recollection." The author, Charles Hiatt, states that Mary, who married Sam Broadribb, was one of six Bohenna sisters. I have eight listed, so two must be incorrect.
Post by calswimmer on Sept 20, 2007 14:24:20 GMT -5
The mixed-up list of daughters I have includes the girls you have and also Nanny. I think Nanny is married to a Ward. For sons I also have Joshua who married Elizabeth Banfield 1842 in Halsetown. I have four children for them. Maybe Joshua and Nanny don't belong in the family as siblings to Mary and Sarah. Don't know about them for sure right now. I gathered the names from various sources so it looks like I need to do some editing on that. Anyway, the Penberthys I spoke of (Isaac and so on) are somehow related to my Stephen Penberthy b. 1830 who married Mary Jane Thomas, but I think the connection is of very distant cousins. The interesting thing that I am pursuing is that Henry Irving, who lived with the Isaac Penberthy family, was closer to the Thomas family than to my own Penberthy, who married a Thomas. So I found it interesting that Thomas Bohenna was living with my ancestor Ann (Nicholas) Thomas and the Trewhellas. Somehow, I'm guessing, the Bohennas were connected to the Thomas's.